Topic : 12/06 Teacher Troubles

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:22:29 pm
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Kids across the country are playing pranks and harassing teachers. Tericka, a high school science teacher who loved her job, lived in fear of her scandalous past catching up with her and getting her fired. Students eventually found out about her shocking past and the news spread throughout town like wildfire. Are other teachers taking her side, or do they feel her punishment was justified? How can she move forward? Then, Anna, an assistant principal, was harassed on the Internet when two students created a fake MySpace page alleging to be her. She says they completely attacked her character and need to be held accountable for their actions. Was this just a practical joke gone bad, or were these students out for revenge? Find out what Anna did to show these kids that some jokes just aren't funny. Could the mischief your kids get into end up costing you thousands of dollars? Talk about the show here.

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December 7, 2006, 3:45 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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I agree - everyone has to live with their choices. That isn't the debate here. The debate is whether or not living with those choices makes one unfit to be a teacher of high-school students. If Tericka's values rubbed off on those students, what would they learn? According to what she expressed on the show, her students might get the idea from her that doing porn is stupid, disgusting and self-destructive. God forbid that anyone should teach that kind of morality to our children!

 

And, yes, Dr. Phil, why push 'til you break a hard-working teacher? Now, if she'd made a porno...

amen!!!! i just posted my thoughts on this, hope you catch it. it's from tenkcharms. you hit the nail on the head
 
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December 7, 2006, 3:46 pm PST

What ARE we teaching our children?

As much as I may not be a fan of porn, soft or hard, I think it's also important to teach people that even when you make BAD BAD choices, there are always options, there is always a way out, and you can make something out of yourself no matter what. I think Tericka would be a great example for our children. She turned her life around, THAT's something I want my children to learn. As that other teacher from the school said, she would be spending so much time with kids from the school: you think they wouldn't be able to get over it? Sounded like they did already. It would become old news. I remember in my school growing up, the question was wether or not a lesbian couple could become house counselors (it was a boarding school). A big hoopla was made of it, letters were sent to all the parents... FORTUNATELY, the same students that brought this to the attention of their parents who started the mayhem were the same ones who started a protest when this couple was considering resigning. I think we need to do an inventory about what values are truly important, and what values we really can teach. As teachers and as parents, we have the "power" to teach what lessons to be learned.... Let's think about that.
 
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December 7, 2006, 3:47 pm PST

12/06 Teacher Troubles

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I was a teacher in the Detroit Public School System.  Seven years ago I had to take a disability retirement due to bone problems.  It was the best thing that could have ever happened to me.

 

 I really loved the first grade students that I taught, and was a very creative  reading and math teacher.  However, I encountered racism from the black parents.  I am white female married to a Hispanic man. Detroit has a huge drug problem. Too many of the parents are apathetic, and do not mentally or physically care for their children.  There are lack of meals, warm clothing, encouragement, etc. 

 

Although I have a master's degree plus 60 credits beyond, and spent 8 years, minus 2 summers in college, I think my bone problems were a blessing in disguise.  Teaching is very stressful and so many times thankless.  I try to remember the parents who were good to their children, who did appreciate my work, the many children who were happy when they were learning in my room, earned prizes, etc.  but the bad far outweighed the good.  I really hated it when parents played the race card.

 

Detroit NEVER has enough text books, work books, pencils, crayons, etc.  I spent in excess of $3K each and every year in the basics.  We were only provided with one case of duplicating paper, and of course had 28+ students in the classroom.  One year I had 37 first graders and NO HELP.  The stories you hear about no toilet paper are TRUE.  There are broken toilets, no doors for privacy, facets that do not work, and hand soap?  You must be kidding.  Where is the health department?

 

Stress of course is on the administrators from their administrators, and parents who frequently are argumentative and on crack.  Teachers get it both from their administrators and from the parents.  Sound like a job from hell?  Well it is.  My last 6 months on the job were spent each morning with uncontrollable convulsing, trying to vomit, with nothing coming up.  I would highly advise anyone thinking about going into teaching to spend a week in an inner city school system before you think about doing the coursework for the job.  And for those of you who do not believe me, do the same.  Volunteer for a week in your neighborhood school and see what goes on in there.  You will get a renewed respect for teachers, administrators, educational assistants, etc.  Kids are out of control, there seems to be very little to be done, except exclude them, and then when they come back, more times than not, their behavior has not changed too much.  Counselors and social workers are either not hired as the budget does not permit it, or are so overworked with huge caseloads, that it is barely a bandage.

 

It all starts in the home.  School is no substitute for good parenting.  Parents need to parent, and teachers need to educate.  It is impossible to do when children have no self control.  It all begins in the home.

 

Am I negative about children, school and teaching now?  You bet.  Am I glad I am out of there?  You bet.  Again, don't believe me? Spend a week, not an hour, not a day, but a week in your local school.  You will get a true perspective.  It is my hope that I reached  at least one person in the entire United States, and they have gone to their local school to check things out. 

 

This program has not aired yet, so I will reserve my comments on the teacher firing. 

 

 

I know  exactly   what you mean,  and yes anyone that feels different should indeed go to  a school for a week and see the bad attitudes disrespect filthy mouths and you cant do a thing to me  attitude they have all the time, and it pretty much is  this way because nothing is done, as you say they are excluded from things which they dont care about in the first place,  i feel so bad for the small percent of kids who actually have respect and are trying to learn.....the public schools where i live are a big fat joke!!
 
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December 7, 2006, 3:56 pm PST

Fine line? I think not

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Would Dr. Phil have been so critical of a male assistant principle?  Imagine a case in which some students decided to create a pervy MySpace page for a male teacher...portraying him as a child molester or something like that.  Would that man be entitled to sue these boys?  Would Dr. Phil consider that kind of defamation legitimately harmful?  Harmful enough to require more than detention, suspension or whatever other "internal" punishment Dr. Phil advocates in place of legal action? 

There is an ENORMOUS difference between saying someone is a homosexual versus saying they are a child molestor, one being a sexual preference, the other being a crime, one being an ignorant comment if used in this context, the other slandering, punishable by law. I betcha 900% that the approach would have been much different had that site said that the woman was a child molestor. Interesting question however that of the gender of the teacher. But I am sure you are aware of what an erroneous sexual preference judgement can also do....
 
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December 7, 2006, 3:57 pm PST

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Those boys should have thought about that before they did what they did. Why should they get a break? They aren't special from any other kids who perform criminal acts and get into trouble and have to pay the consequences. If they don't learn this now, they will be end up in someone's prison later.
Who says they should get a break?  I know I don't feel that way.  They should get punished but why should they be punished for the REST OF THEIR LIVES  when the AS won't be punished for that long?  Where is the fairness?  Sure the boys are at fault, but they don't deserve to have their lives ruined for a prank that went to far.
 
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December 7, 2006, 4:14 pm PST

what's in THEIR closets?

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amen!!!! i just posted my thoughts on this, hope you catch it. it's from tenkcharms. you hit the nail on the head
Those who point their fingers and run their mouths over and over about the influence this teacher and others have on their children, actually, any child, would likely freeze in their tracks if their own personal secrets and/or habits were aired out in public for all the world to see and exclaim over. None of us are perfect, we all have things we'd rather not have known, but where in heaven in the forgiveness factor in a case like this one? This woman made really rotten choices in her early life;  then, with some experience, education, personal growth and (as he claims) religion to strengthen her, she turned her life around. I say she's learned big time how NOT to be a bad influence. The ones who point and jeer are the ones who should be looked at most closely to see how their lives bear up under intense scrutiny.  This woman has paid and dearly, for her mistakes. Why should she be forced to give up her hard-learned lessons because of some hard-ass bible thumpers who want to judge her? Let's turn the spotlight on that school board and see who's really doing what and to whom....  
 

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December 7, 2006, 4:26 pm PST

why shuoldn't they be punished

these boys caused damaged to this teacher's reputation that will never be repaired.  What difference does it make if the consequences will follow them throughout their life.  They should have thought of that before they posted on my space posing as her.  I don't see how Dr. Phil or anyone else can feel that she is going to far.  If they committed murder, robbed some one or dealt drugs no one would question that fact of wether the consequences are too much.  A crime is a crime, the law is the law, a felony is a felony.  the only difference is on how much time is done depending on that crime.  there are consequences for our actions and maybe if their parents had taught them that, these boys wouldn't be in trouble.  they are not sorry for what they did, they are sorry that they got caught.  If these parents were truely sorry and the boys were they would apologize in person.  If it were my child one of the first things he would have to do is face this vice pricinpal and apologize to her and then he would face severe consquences at home.  One of the most important things we have in life is our reputation, some will even tell you that in the end all you have is your reputation.  They have taken that away from this vice pricipal and it might not ever be completely regained.

 
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December 7, 2006, 4:33 pm PST

pranks like this are very crude

Hats of to the principal.  I hope you stay with your intentions and don't let up on your intended lawsuits.  The boys and the parents deserve it.  It sounds to me like just want to sweep it under the rug, and not really be accountable.   If they were truely and heartfelt sorry they would've severely punished the boys themselves and appeared on the show  .  I work at a local school and have been accused of using the n word and of taking a student by the arm escorting her to the principals office.She admitted herself that wasn't true after all, but if that had escalated, I wouldv'e had to fight for my protection .  Kids need tobe educated that when you lie, your parents will be held just as accountable as them.  I do support the principal and I do agree that  there should be some legislation to protect any employee within the school system against slander/fraudulent charges. 
 
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December 7, 2006, 4:33 pm PST

Agree

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It is very interesting now a days how people are so willing to "slap" children on the hands for their wrong actions, especially actions that are this devastating.  I am only 30 yrs old so I remember clearly my youth and actions as a teen and let me tell you, NEVER would I have done something like this to a administrator and/or adult of authority.  Give me a break folks, these kids knew full and well what they were doing especially if they went out of their way to steal her identity, post drug items and sex photos on this Principal's site.  They knew, but like a majority of kids today , they too thought that even if they were to be caught that nothing would happen to them.  I knew right from wrong as a teen, if I did wrong my parents were there to make sure that I stepped up and received proper punishment for my actions.  I was never allowed to hide behind my parents, which is probably why because of that I didn't do a lot of wrong... not only did I know right from wrong but I also knew that I would have to pay for my actions.  This woman is forever going to have to look over her shoulder because of some pervert, freak and god forbide a stalker , all because of what these "kids" did.  The one parent called her son a boy in their letter, but he was not so little to help set up the site, find the porn pictures etc.  I think unfortunately it is time for kids to start bucking up and paying for their actions.   

 

As for the teacher who did wrong in her past...let it be.  Let me make it clear, I am a Secondary Ed. teacher as well as a mother and I know that I would be very comfortable with her teaching my children.  The reason I say this is if people want to talk about immorality and sins, fine, as a Christian know that you are not to "judge thy neighbor", also, if the good Lord forgives so should you.  Now as a educator let me ask this...was she showing the porn or talking about it with her students?  No, OK then, her personal time and life is just that.  We keep saying that we need to help people, steer them to better paths in life, yet if and when we do are we now going to road block them?  Give them a taste of a "normal" path and life and yank if out from under them.  If we teach our kids not to judge and that all people make mistakes then before you know situations like this will be what it is...the past. 

I agree...just what I was thinking. I mean I knew right from wrong growing up so I don't get the excuses people are making for these teens. I knew there were consequences to my actions because my parents taught me this and showed me how to make rights decisions and choices.
 

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December 7, 2006, 4:33 pm PST

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Who says they should get a break?  I know I don't feel that way.  They should get punished but why should they be punished for the REST OF THEIR LIVES  when the AS won't be punished for that long?  Where is the fairness?  Sure the boys are at fault, but they don't deserve to have their lives ruined for a prank that went to far.
I would not call tis a prank.  what they did is malicious.  I wonder if you would feel the same if they s\took your car and then wrecked it.  would you call that aprank.  no!! i'm sure you would call that grand theft auto and want them punished to the fullest.  a prank is glue on a seat, a whooppee cushion, etc.  Ruining someone's reputation is not a prank.
 

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