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(Original Air Date: 12/07/06) When it comes to helping kids with school assignments, some parents just don’t make the grade. Angela says her 12-year-old son, Masen, takes up to six hours to finish his homework, and she says she can’t stop nitpicking. Her mother, Gayle, says Angela acts like a drill sergeant, and has called Masen "lazy and useless." What’s behind Angela’s frustration? Then, tempers rise as Angela feels her parenting skills are being criticized. Find out the conversation Dr. Phil has with her during the break. Plus, Dr. Phil gives Angela a test of his own, and Dr. Frank Lawlis, author of The IQ Answer, weighs in. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 23, 2007, 4:34 pm PDT

I agree too

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I really agree with you! He was just all over her even though she agreed with what he was saying. I normally always agree with what he says but they spent 30 just on her!

Then they were talking about the relationship that she has with her mother. Thats another show!!!

This show seemed totally out of character for Dr. Phil. How many times did Angela have to agree?  I think she was quite open and willing to work on the problem but when her mother took the issue to the relationship between her and Angela, maybe Dr. Phil should have considered the mother may be hearing Angela with her son through her (the Mother's) own emotional ears.  I thought Angela was trying to get to a new way of intereacting with her son and no one would let her get there.  A very surprising show. 
 
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March 23, 2007, 5:27 pm PDT

THANK YOU PERSONALLY

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I have to let the mother know that I was very, very proud of her sincere concern for her son's homework dilemma, and for her ability to stand up for herself.  When my son was in the 8th grade, we began having the same kinds of difficulties.  And, even when he did his homework, he refused to turn it in.  I was totally baffled and helpless in finding a solution.  I hope I never said anything that would have caused him stress, but I do agree, just like Angela agreed to, that when we are frustrated, we just might say something that we don't mean - - or, it can be heard differently. 

 

It was obvious to me that Angela truly believed she would never have used that kind of language with her own children, particularly considering her own professional background.  But, like Dr. Phil said, to others sometimes we seem pretty big (authoratative) and scary and our words could very well come out bigger and scarier than we might intend.

 

Anyway, my purpose for taking the time to write is to encourage Angela, who I saw as a humble but courageous Mom who sincerely wanted to solve a problem that had her stimied. Angela, I felt as if Dr. Phil really skewed the dialogue in order to make you look pretty bad and I agree with you that it was simply for the sake of ratings.

 

No question, in the end, he had all the right answers - the exact answers that solved my problems with my son those many years ago.  I trust you are finding it (self empowerment and personal accountability on the part of your son) is working effectively and you are elated at having found a solution before it was too late.

 

But, you did really get raked over the coals in order to get you to that point. 

 

I was also a bit surprised that your Mom would have said that you had the ability to intimidate even the adults in your family.  I only saw you for an hour, but found you to be polite, humble, genuine in your love, concern and commitment to finding a resolution, and overall a strong, yet gentle woman and Mother.

 

I do believe our society still has difficulty in allowing women to stand up for themselves and that is why your Mom probably thought you might be intimidating.  I just want you to know that from the perspective of another Mom, who had experienced the exact same problem, you appeared to be a strong, self-confident, articulate and loving young woman.  Don't let the rest of the world try to weaken you.  You were great - - - and you were right about taking some flack in order to make good TV.

 

Dr. Phil can be extremely arrogant and condescending sometimes - usually for the sake of drama.  But, usually in the end, he does have a great and generous solution.

 

Hope this will help you allay any feelings of guilt or insecurity you might have experienced in your effort to help your son. 

 

Sincerely,

 

Mom in Tacoma

It has been a great struggle since being involved with the Dr. Phil show.  Bouts of depression, anger and self esteem.  But just after I realized everyone has baggage to carry I need to find a wat to cope with mine, the show airs again.

 

I want to say thank you for your kind words and compassion for my situation.

 

Angelia

 

 
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March 23, 2007, 6:16 pm PDT

I agree.

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This show seemed totally out of character for Dr. Phil. How many times did Angela have to agree?  I think she was quite open and willing to work on the problem but when her mother took the issue to the relationship between her and Angela, maybe Dr. Phil should have considered the mother may be hearing Angela with her son through her (the Mother's) own emotional ears.  I thought Angela was trying to get to a new way of intereacting with her son and no one would let her get there.  A very surprising show. 
I think Dr. Phil was in a bad mood or something.  He usually picks and chooses his battles, but he seemed to want to argue endlessly.  I felt sorry for that woman.  Usually I agree with him.  Not this time.
 
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March 23, 2007, 8:07 pm PDT

Its difficult...

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I hope Angela has learned something about herself since the show first aired.  It was hard watching it the first time and I thought that perhaps it would be easier this time, but it wasn't.    I know someone exactly like Angela and they just don't "get it".  It's not that there are "two Angelas", as was discussed on the show (I think her family and Dr. Phil were trying to be kind because she was obviously shutting down).  It is that she has an inflated opinion of her parenting skills.  It doesn't matter that she is abusive or that her methods have been grossly ineffective (perhaps even damaging) - she has a fixed image of herself that is, frankly, a lie. 

 

She came on the show to learn techniques to "fix" her son.  When she realized that she was being targeted as part of the problem, she became defensive and slipped into her "I'm a good Mom" role.  She didn't care nearly as much about her son as she cared about everyone's perception of her.  Instead of being horrified at the images captured in the pre-show videos, she complained they were out of context.  Instead of saying "Oh my goodness, how could I be doing that to my son?", she went into attack mode.  Nothing is her responsibility.  She isn't the problem.  She's perfect.  Poor Masen just didn't get the memo about that.

 

The woman I know who is very much like Angela talks ALOT about how much she loves her kids - how much she does for them - how much she sacrifices for them.  But the reality is she treats them like dirt.  She yells at them, calls them names, humiliates them in front of family and friends.  She doesn't "hear" her own voice.  She doesn't hear the volume, the sarcasm, the childish taunts.   

I truly hope there is a follow-up with Angela and Masen.   IMO, she needs some serious counseling because she can't connect the dots.  She can't accept who she is.  I can understand not wanting to believe that you are out of control, but if she really cares about her son, she needs to do more than just "back off" the homework.  I think there's alot more going on in that household than meets the eye.

to accept criticizim from someone. 

 

I was raised in a household that was verbally rough alot of the time.  Instead of hearing praise, when given, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAID, negative was heard.  Having a learning problem isn't fun.  I am not the brightest bulb on the tree.  I was constantly reminded how slow I am.  School was difficult.  That's why college was not an option.  For two years I went to an excellent school in a nearby town.  I looked forward to school.  But when demanded  to go to regular high school, my confidence was taken away and was reminded I am "slow."  I was made fun of.  Beaten up and called names... one was fish lips and the other, religious in context...I had a lot of pennies tossed at me. 

 

I understood the cruelty of people.  However, when "home" is a safe place to fall", and it kicks one in the tush, depression sets in and confidence goes.

 

I feel sad for Mason.  Mason, if you read this, give yourself the hugs you need.  Your mom doesn't "get it."  And as great as Dr. Phil is, your mom won't change. 

 
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March 23, 2007, 8:50 pm PDT

An apology is necessary

Dr. Phil

 

First,  I would like to say hello.  It is good to finally email you.  I am a 7th grade teacher dealing with 12 and 13 year olds everyday.  So I understand where you are coming from.  Why I am writing:

Dr. Phil I was very dissappointed in you today.   I must say that I agree with the mother on your show today, when she said that you were reading the wrong thing into what her mother and sister were saying.  About the statement -calling her son retarded, and saying why couldn't he be as smart as the other child.  *I think you took it out of context .   I felt in my heart you were just trying to make your show interesting.  And I feel you owe this lady an apology.  You know just because you are Dr. Phil doesn't always make you right.  Before I end this message I want you to know that everthing else you said today was very true.  Thanks Dr. Phil.

 
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March 23, 2007, 9:01 pm PDT

wow

 I understand how this child feels, I can becouse I had issues in school and my parents tried to help but made it worse for me. I got praise but not enough and they would try to explain and help but it wasn't the way the school was. So I got confused and stressed out badly. Thats not including everything eals that was going on in the home. So I eventuly qite school. Not a good chose but thats the chose I made. Now I have a hard time helping my doughter who is mildly mently retarted but I am trying and learning as we go. People forget that life isn't easy just becouse your a child they have stress and problems and issues as do adults.
 

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March 23, 2007, 9:06 pm PDT

Homework should never be a 6 hour ordeal

Someone get some help for the parent as well as the child.  I have two great kids, one with dyslexia and dysgraphia (that his first grade teacher almost destroyed), and one with a dyslexia combo that the neuropsychologist is having a heck of time figuring out (reads great, but grinds to a halt when she has to spell-in other words, EVERY time she writes). It seems to be inherited from my husband's side, so I had no idea what to do to help them.  But I learned quickly.  My children were NOT giving up their childhood for homework so a teacher could put a check on a box for their report card.  My kids do ten minutes of homework per grade.  I pick the items on the homework assignments, they prove to me they understand the concepts by getting the answers to those problems correct, and that is it.  Essays are slightly more difficult, but not impossible.  Just put it in writing to the principal and teacher that your child is going to do the required TIME of homework, and no more.  They are to be graded on the content of what they have done in that alotted time. If it is 100 percent right, they get full credit.

What I'm not seeing people understand is that no child should ever have to give up their childhood to do homework.  Angela needs help to understand that she needs to advocate for her son to work for only an acceptable amount of time.  If you've never had to deal with a child who CAN'T (and I mean really can NOT) move any faster than a snail's pace, especially when you are a type A, 100-mile-per-hour kind of person, it's a complete shocker to watch your child's brain freeze up and watch them drift off to somewhere else. You talk to them, and they are still not present.  You yell to try to get their attention, and they focus back in (for a few minutes).  You keep yelling because that was all that works. (but it doesn't really)  You have to find a way that works for your child, and most people can't do that on their own.

Whatever happened in the past, happened in the past.  Teach the poor woman how to move forward without making her child work for 6 hours. It doesn't matter if you allow your children to work on their own, or don't yell.  They still should not work for longer than a specified time on homework. 
 
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March 23, 2007, 9:27 pm PDT

Have you ruled out everything?

Did I miss it? Were drugs ruled out? 12 is a prime age for kids to start experimenting. How does a kid go from honor roll one year to failing 3 classes the next? If you havn't drug tested him, do it. Don't say "not my kid, he'd never do that." I thought that too until a radical change in my daughters behavior (she was 13) prompted a drug test. A positive one. So don't assume it's a learning issue. Rule out ALL possibilities.
 
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March 23, 2007, 10:16 pm PDT

I agree with you

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 I understand how this child feels, I can becouse I had issues in school and my parents tried to help but made it worse for me. I got praise but not enough and they would try to explain and help but it wasn't the way the school was. So I got confused and stressed out badly. Thats not including everything eals that was going on in the home. So I eventuly qite school. Not a good chose but thats the chose I made. Now I have a hard time helping my doughter who is mildly mently retarted but I am trying and learning as we go. People forget that life isn't easy just becouse your a child they have stress and problems and issues as do adults.

the mother in this show.

 

I agree with you, I was one that struggled in school, did not get it.  something I never want my children to have to deal with.  But it happens, even if you are trying to help your child learn in everyway possible. I try every waking hour to be a good parent, be there to explain how the problem works and how to look at it in a different way because there is not one type of learning.  That is why I would not have called my child retared or lazy, because I myself struggle.  Even today look @ my spelling! 

 
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March 24, 2007, 1:24 am PDT

03/23 Homework Hell

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the mother in this show.

 

I agree with you, I was one that struggled in school, did not get it.  something I never want my children to have to deal with.  But it happens, even if you are trying to help your child learn in everyway possible. I try every waking hour to be a good parent, be there to explain how the problem works and how to look at it in a different way because there is not one type of learning.  That is why I would not have called my child retared or lazy, because I myself struggle.  Even today look @ my spelling! 

 I am not calling my child stupid by all means, she is disabled thats the fackts. I am not book smart either but I am no means stupid in any from and either is any one eals. People do learn in diffrent ways and are all on difrent leveols of understanding things as well. I was simply saying about my experinses in school and how it has damaged me and well I guess myself espeam to an extent.

 If I would have gotten the help and praise and understanding that I needed when I was young, I would have a beter chance at a beter job and could have saported my children money wise in a better mater. This is partly what is worng with the young people in are time, It takes to parnets to make a liveing to try and keep food, and make means meet that they are left to fend for themselfs and guide them selfs. Baby raiseing baby as such. And it makes me sad becouse these kids desrve better and more then what they geting doing. These are just my thoughts not trying to afend anyone or upset anyone in any way. It happen to me and I feel for them thats all. It only takes a few people in there lifes to take the time to help them learn and guide them.

 
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