Topic : 12/08 Out-of-Control Husbands

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Created on : Friday, December 01, 2006, 03:25:09 pm
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A marriage vow says, “’Til death do us part.” But what if your husband’s behavior is so outrageous, you fear he’ll end up in an early grave? Dr. Phil’s first guest, Danny Bonaduce, was a child star on the ’70s hit show The Partridge Family, but now he’s infamous for his bad behavior. Danny has been arrested for drug possession, has been in rehab three times and has cheated on his wife, Gretchen. The couple showcases their struggle with his addictions on the VH1 show Breaking Bonaduce. Danny says he’s finally sober, but Gretchen says she can’t stop being suspicious of his every move. Is it too soon for her to trust him? Then, Maggie says she can’t deal with her fiancé, Michael’s, chaotic behavior. Michael admits that he’s verbally abusive to his wife-to-be, even in front of their young daughter, but says he wants to stop. Maggie moved halfway across the country and took their child without telling him. Can Michael get his family back, or has he lashed out one time too many?  Share your thoughts here.

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December 11, 2006, 8:24 pm PST

12/08 Out-of-Control Husbands

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I take no issue with the comments made about abusive men in relationships.  I have found all I've read to be true and much more.  The only thing that disturbs me is the rather convenient oversight on the part of many to point out that women are abusers as well.  While these situations are not as often physical, they are emotional and verbal abuse of the strongest kind.  I have yet to encounter the man who is as accomplished a verbal or emotional abuser as are some women.

 

I think we can all agree that abuse of any kind is wrong and should not be tolerated.  Let's just not define the problem in such limited terms.  Let's include all abused people.  I happens to men, women and children.  Let's just stop all of it if we can.

Thats very true, I agree with you...it all has to STOP!
 
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December 11, 2006, 8:42 pm PST

12/08 Out-of-Control Husbands

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I don't understand why people who come on the show who live together and have children can call their partner their fiance.  In Canada if you live together for a year the partnership is considered a common law union.  I think that having a big wedding is wrong after having children.

i agree, they should just run off and get married in private

 

 
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December 11, 2006, 8:55 pm PST

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Yes, there are victims; they're called children, and they do not volunteer for abuse.
 I agree with you that it takes two, that is so true. But honestly can you say that it's all right that abuse happens? What happens if he doesn't let you go? Manipulates you and tries to make you believe that he's going to get better. Its very true the children do suffer. Thats really the only thing that matters. But when your really in love your blind in a sense. You want your relationship to work out but after several bad times it time to wake up and move on. I really don't think the person your talking of is all that bad. She s just been through alot and if your so hard headed and selfish not to realize that then so be it. It wasn't meant to be...just when she does get better she'll make one lucky man VERY happy.
 
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December 12, 2006, 4:26 am PST

Yes

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 I agree with you that it takes two, that is so true. But honestly can you say that it's all right that abuse happens? What happens if he doesn't let you go? Manipulates you and tries to make you believe that he's going to get better. Its very true the children do suffer. Thats really the only thing that matters. But when your really in love your blind in a sense. You want your relationship to work out but after several bad times it time to wake up and move on. I really don't think the person your talking of is all that bad. She s just been through alot and if your so hard headed and selfish not to realize that then so be it. It wasn't meant to be...just when she does get better she'll make one lucky man VERY happy.
It takes two to fight; it takes only one to abuse.
 
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December 12, 2006, 5:41 am PST

Danny Bonaduce is just pathetic

 I have watched Breaking bonaduce a few times and I am just disgusted by his actions.  You can tell that his self esteem is so small by his actions...being possessive and jealous...threatening to commit suicide and saying he is nothing without Gretchen...Ugh, this behavior just makes me sick.  It is quite obvious that he is in a codependent relationship which is the worst kind ever.  I really don't know what words describe Danny, but he is one of those types of people that can't be alone and always needs attention...on top of that he still has a lot of growing up to do. 

I understand taking vows and wanting to stand by your man, but at the same time I also understnad happiness and that everyone deserves to be happy and clearly Gretchen is uphappy. 
Danny needs serious help and part of that is that he needs to get out of his relationship with his wife so he can take care of himself.

I just saw this last episode of breaking bonaduce on Sunday and he started drinking again and lied to his wife that he was drunk, but it was obvious he was because he was slurring his words.

Apparently losing his wife or making her miserable doesn't mean a thing to him because he is going to continue down this road of destructive and immature behavior until it kills him.

BTW Danny...lay off the cigarettes, your voice sounds horrible and isn't pleasant to listen to.
 
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December 12, 2006, 6:59 am PST

Thank you for responding

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My heart and prayer go out to you and your family. You lived with your alcoholic husband until  his death. I am not posting this message thinking that I know exactly what you've been through. I do know that you went through a lot of emotional pain and emotional turmoil. You say that you felt trapped, pain, anger and that it was a hard road you traveled on and that it was 16 years too long. 

 

I'm an alcoholic. I know about emotional pain and turmoil. What I did not know about was that I had choices. I could chose to drink or I could chose to not drink. Today, I choose not to drink. Three and half years ago I was chosing to drink. I got help for my drinking problem but only after getting two drunk driving within 18 month period.  All along my drinking journey I was making choices to drink. And I did not even know it. How did I know that? By getting help through Alcoholics Anonymous. Of course, at first I went because I was ordered to go. But than after, I went because I chose to want to stay sober. It was a choice on my part. I have no regrets

 

Hey, if I want to I can drink. It's my choice. But why should I?

 

The morale to my sober journey is this: You can chose to live in misery or you can chose to live in peace and serenity. It is your choice. No one else's.

I understand your journey and I am so happy that you stuck with the program and are taking care of yourself. My husband tried so very hard to stop but not for himself ....he did it for us. He found it very hard to work the AA program even after in house rehab. I am thrilled that you are sober today. Thank you for the kind and thoughtful words for myself and children. It meant alot to me.
 

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December 12, 2006, 10:16 am PST

Domestic abuse and or Domestic Violence is NOT about a couple having any fight !!!

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It takes two to fight; it takes only one to abuse.

Domestic Abuse, or Domestic Violence is NOT about a couple having problems, or a fight.

 

Domestic Abuse is a systematic group of tactics that ONE PERSON CHOOSES TO RAIN OVER AND DO TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL....their partner, spouse, girlfriend..........child......IN ORDER TO HAVE POWER, CONTROL, ABUSE AND OR VIOLENCE OVER ANOTHER.

 

 

 

It only TAKES ONE PERSON TO RUIN, DESTROY, OR CAUSE LIVING HELL IN A RELATIONSHIP.

 

 

IT DOES NOT TAKE  2.....................even if you just stand there........and don't open your mouth......the abuser will abuse.......and abuse........and abuse !

 

 

It only takes one person to destroy a relationship, a child's life.......an entire family.

 

DOMESTIC ABUSE IS NOT ABOUT MARITAL PROBLEMS......

 

DOMESTIC ABUSE IS NOT A COUPLE'S PROBLEM......

 

DOMESTIC ABUSE LIES SQUARELY AT THE FEET AND ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE ABUSER........AND IN MORE THAN 95% of the time the abuser is a MALE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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December 12, 2006, 10:23 am PST

THE VICTIMS ARE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN....

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 I agree with you that it takes two, that is so true. But honestly can you say that it's all right that abuse happens? What happens if he doesn't let you go? Manipulates you and tries to make you believe that he's going to get better. Its very true the children do suffer. Thats really the only thing that matters. But when your really in love your blind in a sense. You want your relationship to work out but after several bad times it time to wake up and move on. I really don't think the person your talking of is all that bad. She s just been through alot and if your so hard headed and selfish not to realize that then so be it. It wasn't meant to be...just when she does get better she'll make one lucky man VERY happy.

tHE VICTIMS ARE THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN.....AND THE PERPETRATORS ARE THE MEN....WHO CHOOSE TO ABUSE THE FAMILY......THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

 

Its a pattern of choices and tactics........and yes you are right......most generally they won't let go....the men, I'm speaking of............. pick up the papers and listen to the news..........they will go as far as killing, and murder to have the ultimate control over a women when she attempts to leave or break up.

 

The women are brainwashed and programmed with the abusers tactics.   

 

The fear is the driving force for survival......the women and children must survive the daily demands......both from the abuser and life.

 

 

 

 

 

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December 12, 2006, 10:33 am PST

Please educate yourself on the dynamics of abuse.....in the home.

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I agree with you in some respects.  First, I don't really think there are victims.  I do think a lot of people volunteer for abuse.  I used to do that.  Took some work to recognize it and get over it.  Second, I do think that ANY fight takes 2. 

 

Ultimately, I'm not sure the outcome is different.  If one partner recognizes that the person they are with cannot handle any disagreement or request for different behavior, the choice is pretty clear:  accept it or leave.  Arguing sure gets you nothing more than being called names or worse.  Putting up with it gets you mental and emotional problems. 

 

My own rule of thumb is to ask once.  See what happens.  If the person is so insensitive that he/she ignores my request, then it's probably all I need to know about what that relationship will bring to my own life.

Please educate yourself on Domestic Abuse.

 

You are feeding into the stereotypical statements about abused women and children.

 

I'm not going to address anything in your post as I can see I won't change your mind.

 

You are suggesting that abused women argue and that's why the abuse continues.....that's simply not true.

 

Your statement about women volunteering for abuse......is absurd.

 

Is that like saying "look what she was wearing, and why was she out at that time of night?"

 

 

 
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December 12, 2006, 10:44 am PST

It's none of my business...

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Domestic Violence and Abuse is everybody's business.

 

Please educate yourself on the Dynamics of Domestic Abuse and Violence.

 

Learn of the brainwashing techniques........the programming, the systematic programming of the abuser against the women and the family.

 

The only person responsible for the abuse is the abuser.

 

The only person responsible for the violence is the violent abuser who made the CHOICE TO ABUSE.

 

I'm hearing victim blaming statements in your post......"the victim themselves have created"

 

BATTERED AND ABUSED WOMEN DO NOT WANT TO GET BEAT UP !!!!!!!!   

 

Domestic Violence and abuse does not stay at home........and its everyones business even if thats the only place it occurs........its. YOUR BUSINESS, ITS THE NEIGHBORS BUSINESS, THE COMMUNITY'S BUSINESS, ITS THE SCHOOLS BUSINESS,   IT visits the  WORKPLACE,  ITS EVERYONES BUSINESS.

 

 

It spills over into the community...............................and everyone else's life.

 

 

 

Please educate yourself on the facts........the dynamics...........and the solutions.

 

 

 

 

Please let me respond one more time. I'm not one to get into any heated debate about issues of domestic violence, abuse and the sort.

 

First of all you can tell me all you want that "it is everybody's business". I can chose to make it my business or I can chose not to make it my business. The only law I have broken is my moral law to not do something about it. I can even turn my back on domestic violence and pretend I did not see anything. What would be the repurcussions? Just my moral conscience would bother me.

 

I think it's a load of crap when someone says, "it takes two to tango." Please, leave that one on the dance floor of the Arthur Murry Academy. Yeah, I believe that the only person responsible for the actual abuse is the abuser and, that a HEAVY consequence needs to be paid for that abuser's action.  

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to in your statement that battered and abused WOMEN do not want to get beat up! It's a very loaded statement. And with that said, are you saying that a person has no other recourse but to stay and continue to get beat up? That they have no other choice? Hey I'm not even coming close to BLAMING the victim. Cannot a person learn to take responsibility to save themselves from this abusive situation? After all, they have the final say so on their demise. They do have alternatives.

 

I'm not really interested in learning about the brainwashing techniques set upon the victims by their abusers or the programming method they use on their families.

 

The only fact I want to know is that abusers (men or women) beat up on their victims and for "love" the victim makes the final choice of taking all of that bull crap.

 

My heart goes out to all of those people who have become victims to abuse. But, you do have choices. Learn them fast before it is too late.  About domestic violence, I make it my business because I chose to make it my business.    When it comes to child abuse I make it my business even when someone says "It's none of your business".   Thank You

 

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