Topic : 12/12 Convince Me!

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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:31:23 pm
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Dr. Phil's guests are trying to convince him that they're not doing anything wrong. First up, Ty Beeson produces a video series where the homeless are encouraged to fight on camera and perform what some describe as demeaning stunts. Some critics say these videos could be responsible for inciting young men to commit heinous acts of violence, because Ty actually pays for the footage. You won't believe what happens when he comes onstage. It's a Dr. Phil first! Then, a woman whose homeless brother was beaten to death says what Ty is doing is dehumanizing and wrong. And, what do you think about the ban on models who are too thin? Drew is against the ban and says that it's not the fashion industry's job to keep an eye on the models, and skinny models promote a fantasy, not reality. A former model who was rejected by the industry at 6 feet tall and 135 pounds, disagrees with Drew, and she says her struggles to stay thin are still affecting her today. Then, Drew squares off with another model who was told she needed to lose weight. She turned a deaf ear and is now a model on Deal or No Deal. A heated discussion ensues, and Dr. Phil weighs in on these controversial issues. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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December 12, 2006, 9:37 am PST

Ideal bodies

The physcial aggressive acts to the individuals with minimal needs was nasty and sickining.  I was happy to see that Dr. Phil did not give that man the time to promote these nasty videos.  Way to go Dr. Phil.

Todays models are skinner than ever.  Eariler models, like Marilyn, were sizes 10, 12, they did not have to loss there curvey figures to become models.  I understand that there are "plus" models, however there should not be any type of category for models.  It was said that teenagers are vulnerable and they look at these models and want to be like them which results in the teenagers developing disorders that are preventable.  It was also said that the parents need to educate their children or talk to their children about these issues, however, everyone has been a teenager at one point or another, teenagers rarely listen to parents advice about fashion due to the parents being "outdated or old", they look to friends and teen magazines.  They see how those people look and they want to look like that.  What parents need to do is discuss the topic of being health thin and how to obtain in a healthy manner, by eating good, exercising, and a decrease in taking about the persons weight.  It takes alot to convince your teenager that being thin is not the only thing that makes you beautiful, parents just need to be willing to talk to their teens about these issues and not just brush them off.  Having an open relationship with your teen can prevent alot of issues during their teenage life.

I also understand that achieve the thin look also happens to adults, and we are suppose to know better, however the magazines flaunt the skinny image of women.  I am 27 and struggle to maintain my ideal weight.  I use to smoke and when I smoked I was skin.  I now do not smoke and struggle to loose and maintain my ideal weight for my height and age.  I believe that the weight of women will always be an issue until we as whole become comfortable in our own skin.

 
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December 12, 2006, 9:39 am PST

12/12 Convince Me!

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Everyone has a desire to some extent to FIT in and that is where our models, magazines, and media can be more helpful to society at large.

All I'm saying is that it is not the media's responsibility.  The media does not owe us anything so folks need to stop expecting more that what it  (the media)has ever provided.  Those people are in business to make MONEY at whatever the cost to you or me or our daughters.

 

Instead of supporting this madness, how hitting them where it hurts the most?  Stop buying it!!!

 
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December 12, 2006, 9:39 am PST

Doctor Phil Show.

Con Doctor Me Phil Vince. I have to agee with you. I am glad that you threw him off stage of your own show. Way to go Doctor Phil. You did great See you today and tomorrow Afternoon.  Since-

rley You. Russell Vlaanderen.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 
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December 12, 2006, 9:48 am PST

uR right!

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Please take it from a guy.  Not all of us want a skeleton.  You were 5'9" and 134 lbs?  It sounds to me like you could have standed some more weight!  To all of you normal ladies out there I can only say that I am not unusual in this regard.  My wife (and reason for being) is a "full figured" woman.  Be proud of who you are and don't listen to men like the one on the show.

 I see a lot of people blaming men for wanting a size 0 trophy wife and holding women to these standards.  But I as a woman think that the competativeness to look like a walking skeleton comes from homosexual men who despise women and other women who buy into the whole "how skinny can I get?" attitude.

 

Most men want some meat on the bones, breasts, hourglass curves require fat.  I'm not saying let yourself go, just don't feel like you have to fit a social mold to be considered a woman.

 
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December 12, 2006, 10:01 am PST

Yes

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I grew up with a lot of turmoil in my home life and a few close friends and i also idealized models and those on TV on how we should look.  We subjected ourselves to losing it by depriving ourselves of food.  The 'boys' our age and older were constant reminders of how we should look by comparing us to those on the big screens or in magazines. 

Still today a lot of men today compare women to the airbrushed figures in magazines and the movies and expect or would definately like for their significant others to look like them. 

Women have enough self-esteem issues without the industry (all media) making it more damaging. 

I am 28 years old and fear to bring a child into this world because of the way it has been going.  With extensive regular television shows promoting sex, magazines promoting sex and well 'media' all together it is frightening to me.  Everything is being desensitized.  Adding on body images getting thinner is horrifying. 

I agreed with all of your models today.  There are some that just have the ability to eat whatever they want and not gain a pound...then there is ME...i'm not heavy but it is a constant struggle.  I am 142 and 5' 81/2".  I have an athletic build because i work out 5+ days a week.  But i have constant appearance issues.  Your models were beutiful and why in the world we do not try to promote inner beauty combined with outer beauty i will never understand.  We are our own worst critic.  If we add that it is expected of us to look like that then others will also do the same.  The pressure is too great for young girls that can not think of long-term effects.  My best-friend from high school that suffered from anorexia and bulimia lost her gull-bladder from it years later. 

 

The only way we can make a difference is to put all our resources together.  As Dr. Phil once said..."it's beuty lenses, hair extensions, air brushing, silicone, silicone, silicone!"  I love him! 

In addressing one issue intelligently, you also address the issue of the homeless and violence.  Again, it is a question of our society being desensitized.  Good post.
 
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December 12, 2006, 10:08 am PST

I know the Feeling

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I am 20 years old, 5'5" and 98lbs...technically underweight.  I have always been this way, yet feel that my peers look at me as if I try to emulate those models.  I am nearly daily accused of having an eating disorder, despite the fact that I eat nearly everything in sight.  This makes me extremely self-conscious.  I am perfectly healthy, but speaking from this POV, there is really no advantage to being this thin.  To many, I am "too skinny."  You can never please everyone, so just be happy and healthy.
When I was your age I was severely underweight.  Like you, I ate everything and could not gain weight.  I am a 6' tall male who weighed 129 lbs until I reached age 30.  It is not fun to be underweight either, but as you say, be happy and healthy.  Happy holidays!
 

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December 12, 2006, 10:13 am PST

Too Thin

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well as i was watching your show about models and how they are role models to women these days. well i really dont think that should be an excuse for women to go and try to lose weight. or get that look like the models. i am an over weight person. and to be honest, i think im beautiful. not because i have a husband who makes me feel beautiful, but just because i have that kind of thinking. i will not let anyone put me down. even though im big, i still dress up to style and do my make up and fix my hair. i will not let myself go. and i dont want to  be judge as a lazy overweight grl. i work, and go to school, i go out and travel. i do things like a normal person. i think its about the person. if what the media says about well if you are not skinny, you wont get a job or get anywhere in life then you're not strong. you must be strong. i feel that everyone is beautiful weather you are thin or big. who cares. if you dont want to be big, lose weight., but by that, i mean work out and eat healthy. i just dont think that we should blame fashion for all of this. but i do wish that as a fashion designer, you should think about plus size women though. we do want to be beautiful too. we do want to dress like thin women. so why not just make clothes for all women? why not try to help us too. because we are who we are.

I hate to say this. But men and mostly gay men have ruined the fashion industry. They are not making clothes for the mature and full figured women.They are designing  for thier IDEAL, which is a 12 yr old boy.That is not the ideal body for a woman.I love gay folks, but think they need to rethink who they are actually selling clothes to. I think the public needs to speak up and buy the clothes from designers that make clothes for them. The almighty dollar does speak. Women it is in your hands who you buy and admire and who you don't. If we stop buying the fashions that ultra thin models wear or going to movies with  tooooo thin actresses, then we send the message.

Money talks bullshit walks. remember that. thanx

 
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December 12, 2006, 10:24 am PST

Scared for our daughters

Our daughters, mine included, need to know they are great the way they are and it is our job as parents to reassure themof this. Lord knows they are not going to get it from some of their "role models."  My daughter is very comfortable in her own skin, but I know that can change if I don't do my job. There is so much peer pressure and if our children are not firmly connected with God and family, they could be in for a long haul. Our children are our future, let's be there for them in every way.
 
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December 12, 2006, 10:33 am PST

airbrushing-- argh!

My biggest beef with the fashion industry does not necessarily pertain to the size of models.  Instead, I am disgusted by the frequent use of airbrushing in photos.  Airbrushing hugely influences the public's perception of beauty-- most consumers do not realize that they will never look like the model in the photograph because not even the model looks like that! 

 

 
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December 12, 2006, 10:45 am PST

Leave the Fashion industry alone

I agree with many of the well stated messages on this board; parents and churches and other authority figures determine the soundness of a child's life. I see this move to pick on every single industry in this country as socialist; bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator in the name of feeling good and making others not feel bad. Increasingly, ours is a country and world of less and less freedom where those who are blessed with unique and competitive physical attributes, mental gifts or social skills are criticized and targeted. Such is the result of socialist and communistic societies.

 

As for the violence against the homeless, it seems a natural consequence of a narcissistic and warlike society where the organizations claiming to be charitable sit on billions given to them by a naive American public. There's enough money to rebuild Iraq and to spend on war, there's enough land and money to get every single person off of the streets of this country. We are a crazy nation in my opinion. Where are the churches?

 

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