Topic : 12/12 Convince Me!

Quote From: saddays

 But you just said it yourself. It's not that a size 0 girl isn't healthy... SO WHY ARE THEY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST??? I can't even fit into the 00 pants at the Gap, but I'm not unhealthy! The truth of the matter is, people are getting fatter. The funny thing is, I used to be able to wear a size 3 at the Gap. I remember several years back, I went to the Gap WEARING my old size 3 Gap jeans, and I couldn't even fit into their 00's. I stood there thinking, now this is just idiotic...  There was the proof that I hadn't gotten any skinnier, the sizes had literally gotten bigger. And considering that they were old jeans that had loosened up a bit, that's even more pathetic. It's funny how clothing companies decided to try to make the fatter American women feel better about herself (& thus buy their clothes) by making her think she's smaller than she actually is. Unfortunately, that leaves those of us at the bottom of the sizing range out of luck. I have to rely on the teeny-bopper stores to get clothes that actually fit me. Why can't sizing work like men? A 32 waist pants, is 32"!! Plain & simple. No delusions about it. Women cause the problems for themselves by obsessing about weight to the point that they would go to such moronic levels to continue deluding themselves about how fat they're getting ---but of course, they've gotten so lazy that they don't want to WORK to get fit again anyway, so deluding themselves is pretty much all they have.

Quote From: saddays

 But you just said it yourself. It's not that a size 0 girl isn't healthy... SO WHY ARE THEY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST??? I can't even fit into the 00 pants at the Gap, but I'm not unhealthy! The truth of the matter is, people are getting fatter. The funny thing is, I used to be able to wear a size 3 at the Gap. I remember several years back, I went to the Gap WEARING my old size 3 Gap jeans, and I couldn't even fit into their 00's. I stood there thinking, now this is just idiotic...  There was the proof that I hadn't gotten any skinnier, the sizes had literally gotten bigger. And considering that they were old jeans that had loosened up a bit, that's even more pathetic. It's funny how clothing companies decided to try to make the fatter American women feel better about herself (& thus buy their clothes) by making her think she's smaller than she actually is. Unfortunately, that leaves those of us at the bottom of the sizing range out of luck. I have to rely on the teeny-bopper stores to get clothes that actually fit me. Why can't sizing work like men? A 32 waist pants, is 32"!! Plain & simple. No delusions about it. Women cause the problems for themselves by obsessing about weight to the point that they would go to such moronic levels to continue deluding themselves about how fat they're getting ---but of course, they've gotten so lazy that they don't want to WORK to get fit again anyway, so deluding themselves is pretty much all they have.

Quote From: saddays

 But you just said it yourself. It's not that a size 0 girl isn't healthy... SO WHY ARE THEY BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST??? I can't even fit into the 00 pants at the Gap, but I'm not unhealthy! The truth of the matter is, people are getting fatter. The funny thing is, I used to be able to wear a size 3 at the Gap. I remember several years back, I went to the Gap WEARING my old size 3 Gap jeans, and I couldn't even fit into their 00's. I stood there thinking, now this is just idiotic...  There was the proof that I hadn't gotten any skinnier, the sizes had literally gotten bigger. And considering that they were old jeans that had loosened up a bit, that's even more pathetic. It's funny how clothing companies decided to try to make the fatter American women feel better about herself (& thus buy their clothes) by making her think she's smaller than she actually is. Unfortunately, that leaves those of us at the bottom of the sizing range out of luck. I have to rely on the teeny-bopper stores to get clothes that actually fit me. Why can't sizing work like men? A 32 waist pants, is 32"!! Plain & simple. No delusions about it. Women cause the problems for themselves by obsessing about weight to the point that they would go to such moronic levels to continue deluding themselves about how fat they're getting ---but of course, they've gotten so lazy that they don't want to WORK to get fit again anyway, so deluding themselves is pretty much all they have.

Quote From: saddays

I hope you realize that the BMI is total crap...

No girl I know eats more than I do, and yet I have a BMI of 16.8. I live a relatively active lifestyle, I'm involved in a sport, I walk about 3 miles a day, and I eat like you would expect someone with an active lifestyle to eat: that is, like a pig. So, are you going to tell me that I'm unhealthy? I think that's a bit silly...
And I don't understand what's so awful about using women with beautiful bodies to sell clothing and more than it's awful that cosmetics companies use women with beautiful faces to sell their makeup. Are you going to start a crusade against all types of advertising & start telling them they need to ban pretty models? I mean, honestly. They're causing women to have plastic surgery!!!! EGAD!!! But really, by your logic, very few women are as gorgeous as the cosmetics models, so therefore they shouldn't use those women to sell their product!!!
The argument about not using women with beautiful bodies to sell clothing is just as absurd. I would much rather see Heidi Klum on the runway than a Rosie O'Donnell look-alike.

Quote From: purplepenny

Oh yes...us fat women have all the fashion luck in the world don't we? *rolls eyes*

Quote From: psychstudent

Wow I have to say until reading this message board  I didn't realize the extent  of creutly some women are to each other. It seems like this is the skinnys vs. the fattys. Thats ridiculous. Its really unfair to judge any women you see walking down the street. ITs not fair to judge a girl size 00 as anorexic and its unfair to judge a size 22 women as a lazy slob. I am disgusted with the fact that in todays society women are each others worst enemy. We all need to grow up and stop hating each other and picking one another apart! Thats really what it all comes down to. Everyone deserves to be accepted weather they shop at Lane Bryant or size 0 at the Gap.
PERIOD.

Quote From: mraven

 I was very frustrated with the views of Drew.  To say that runway models are moving hangers for the sale of the clothing says that the only women who should be buying the clothing are women who fit the "0" size profile.  If these companies really wanted to sell their clothing to the general public, then the clothing would be made to fit the average size woman.  While there may be a few women that are naturally thin, their are a larger portion that only aspire to be thin. 

I am a 5'1" woman who could not ever possibly wear a single thing featured on runways.  And most of the women I know could never wear the clothing either.  Does that make us unattractive women because we don't fit the model image?  That is what the industry would have us believe.  We are not "In" because we aren't up with the latest fashions.  It's not that we don't pay attention to the latest fashions.  They are just completely unattainable to us.  Designers don't make their money on a moving hanger.  They make their money on the sale of what's on the moving hanger.  Which in turn pushes women to want to look like the moving hanger in order to fit into the clothing.  Drew uses painters as an example.  Painters create one masterpiece.  They don't market mass production.  And I've never known a single person to starve themselves because they like a painting. 

And it doesn't stop with the designers.  It's the models themselves.  ie.  There is a girl that hangs out in my group of friends.  She is an aspiring model.  She is one of the lucky few that is naturally thin.  According to her, I am fat.  I have three children and am pregnant with my fourth.  Before becoming pregnant this time, I was 128lbs. at 5'1".  I believe that I looked fine.  But this girl didn't stop at picking on me...she also tells me that my 2 year old is fat.  If a 2 year old can be called fat by some skewed standards of what a 2 year old should look like, what kind of future does she have?  Will she be told all through girl hood that she's fat?  And they wonder where the anorexia and bulimia stems from.  I truly believe that if the fashion industry does not do something soon to alter this unattainable image of perfection, that our daughters will likely suffer, just as this generation has.

Quote From: purplepenny

Well, I'm sorry if my message seemed to spark this comment. I am certainly not against skinny women. I have many female friends and they are of all shapes and sizes...I was just pointing out that it is moronic to think that the fashion industry is all about making plus sizes happy.

Just like the poster I was responding to, I cannot find clothes that fit right...seems to be a FEMALE problem, not a problem for skinny people.

I don't bother to judge anyone on weight. There is simply no point, I don't know the story behind anyone's appearance, and I'd rather not be judged myself on my weight.

I do agree that many women are simply each others enemy...it's sad.

Quote From: fabof3

Ok Ladies here it goes First of all I dont think the fashion industry has a thing to do with the way we women look fat or skinny or in between.  First of all these skinny little itty bitty women are doing a JOB and that is to showcase clothing, not themselves.  Yes, the runway models are very thin and tall but then you have large Women who model for those big girl clothes as well.  Who cares I dont know about any of you but I personally would not spend the money to purchase anything that the runway models are modeling for would you I mean have you seen some of the stuff in Vogue??  Crazy stuff girls!! Ewwww...

Anyway, we all have a hard time finding things to fit, large or skinny, not because of the way it fits but how we feel and how we think we look.  I am 36/24/36. I have a great body 3 kids and yes I have had plastic surgery, and I am very proud that I did that for myself, I am fortunate I was able to do that for me So? I still dont like the way some pants fit my bottom.  But it is not the issue of the modeling industry.   We are all Beautiful in our own way.. Shine for YOUothers will see it, I am sure.. and if they dont you love you so who cares??