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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:32:23 pm
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The holidays are here, but some households never experience “peace on earth.” Dr. Phil’s guests refuse to embrace the spirit of the season, and say Christmas is the worst time of the year! Joyce has been married to Rick for 27 years, and has hated the holidays for 26 of those years. She refuses to put up a tree, decorate her house or listen to Christmas carols. Rick says Joyce even flipped out when he tried to dangle some mistletoe over her head!  Joyce has succeeded in ruining her family’s joy, but is she about to destroy her marriage? Then, Val has 11 kids, but says her three daughters stop at nothing to wreck the holidays. One daughter even resorted to breaking her sister’s finger on Christmas day! The constant fighting has pushed Val to consider something drastic. And, find out what special event Robin and Dr. Phil hosted to help celebrate the true holiday spirit! Talk about the show here.

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December 26, 2006, 9:47 pm PST

Presents

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Joyce needs to wake up and smell the evergreen.  Does this lady not realize how lucky she is???  She has a husband who wants to be with her and who wants to buy her presents.  He wants to decorate the house and celebrate the holidays.  She has a daughter who also wants to be with her.  The holidays are about family and love, not about what present you get. 

If she doesn't want to be with them and celebrate, I will trade places with her.  She can come to my house and be alone on Christmas day.  I will go to her house and help decorate and bake pies and cakes and cookies until people are tired of eating them.  My husband left me just before Christmas almost 7 years ago, the day before my birthday.  I do have a daughter and grandchildren but they live in another state.  None of my family are close by.  I spend the day with my animals.  Christmas dinner is a special dinner for them.  I have no reason to decorate and need no tree because there are no presents. 

Joyce needs to realize how lucky she is.  She has a family who wants to be with her and wants to celebrate.  I do realize how lucky I am because I have a safe and comfortable house.  So many people this time of year are homeless or have no job or much worse.  Many people have just lost someone special to them or they have a family member who is seriously ill.  Joyce needs to focus on being with people who love her and want to be with her.  That is the best gift that anyone could have.

Wants to buy her presents?  Hahahahaha!!!  He hasnt bought her a Xmas present since the '70s!!!  IF he wanted to buy her a present, surely he'd have done it in the last 26 yrs.
 
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December 26, 2006, 9:54 pm PST

Perpetual Holidays

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Well, I have HATED Christmas, Thanksgiving and Halloween since I was about 10 years old. Too many reasons to mention, but I like knowing that I am not the only Scrooge.

I hate receiving gifts, I hate the trees, lights, everyone saying "Merry Christmas' or "Happy Thanksgiving". I look forward to December 26th every year because that means I have many months to go before I get all of this "joy" & stuff shoved in my face again.

I think it's great that people enjoy themselves, but why do I have to be pushed to the edge every year because someone is soooo freakin' happy.

 

I'd hate to correct u but we dont really get a break until April as opposed to Dec 26th.  The holiday lights and shopping is still in place until around New yrs day.  Immediately after, Valentines day (I like to call VD, LOL) stuff hits the shelves.  On Feb 15th, Easter stuff hits the shelves practically knocking out St Pat's Day (which seemed more prominent 20 yrs ago).  The only break we get is between the day after Easter and before Labor Day.  After Labor day, Halloween stuff hits the shelf and we're in perpetual holiday mode until April.
 
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December 26, 2006, 9:58 pm PST

Wow

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I watched this story and it made me really angry! How could a woman hold a grudge over an innocent gift given to you 26 years ago! Amazing! It shouldn't matter what you get it's the thought that counts!
I also watched this story and it made me really angry! How could a man hold a grudge over a gift given to her 26 years ago that she didnt like! Amazing! It shouldn't matter what you get it's the thought that counts!  Obviously, the thoughtfulness on his part hasnt been there for 26 yrs which is what she's really upset about.
 
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December 26, 2006, 10:09 pm PST

I'm sure I agree w/ u, warm2u

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 Dear Dr Phil,

The woman who was ruining Christmas segment really distressed me.  Yes, I agree that she was ruining things for her whole family, but wasn't it you who said that unless and until a person FEELS that the other person is REALLY sorry for what they have done, she will never really get over feeling hurt?  Sure, the guy was a blockhead and got her something she didn't really want, but I think it was more than just the gift issue.  I think WHAT he gave her to her represented HIS lack of forethought, insight into her personality, and just plain poor taste.  (I know, I know, "it's not about the gift"), but in this case unfortunately, I think it was.  It was their first Christmas together (correct me if I'm wrong on that), she wanted her caring, sensitive husband to get her a caring and thoughtful gift.  Instead he shows up with something that is clearly "less than" and she got her feelings hurt.  To add insult to injury, the next year HE refuses to buy her anything, so in my book it is HE who started this awful ball rolling, and has perpetuated it ever since. 

Like the puppeteer pulling her strings and sitting back and acting like he has NO idea WHY she could possibly be acting this way!!  Ugh! 

And your take on it was to tell HER to get over herself!  I agree something needs to be done, but I think a heartfelt apology from blockhead husband is the 1st step on this road to recovery.  A bit of sensitivity training on his part seems to be the order of the day in MY book! 

Yes, she clearly has carried this all to the extreme and SHE needs to apologize to her family and work to make things right by them, but they also must have empathy for her at how deeply her wounds have gone in order for her to be willing to actively carry on this way for all these years.  I feel for her because it seems to me that no one is really getting how much this has hurt her too all these years.  Telling her to "get over herself" doesn't seem to be the right salve in my book. 

I think starting the show off by having blockhead husband apologize for his insensitivities, then giving her the floor to explain her sadness as how it made her feel, would have been a good start.  He just seems to be a good ol' boy who has no clue what a woman needs, and too many of these guys get away with this crap and then wonder why their wives are unhappy for so many years.  Obviously, the fact that they have been together for all these years says either A) she is a martyr and likes the misery, or B) he has enough other GOOD qualities to make up for his occasional lapses in judgment.  Either way, I still think he is the one who started this whole mess by being a jerk when she returned something he bought her, and then not being willing to get her anything else the following year.  Some people are just hard to buy for . . . not because of the gift, but what the gift REPRESENTS to them, namely that someone "cared enough to give the very best" whatever that very best would be in their book.  And I'm not talking about spending a lot of money, I'm talking about buy or making a gift that says "I know you".  I know your tastes, I know what you like, I know who you are, I care enough to give YOU something YOU would like.  This guy clearly missed the boat on his gift giving skills.  Might as well have been buying the gift for HIS mother rather than his wife. 

This story hits pretty close to home for me because my own husband bought ME a cast iron frying pan that was so heavy I couldn't lift it with both hands EMPTY!!  If I could have, I think I would have bopped him over the head with it.  I'm not his mother, I didn't WANT a frying pan, or at least NOT for a Christmas present.  See, if he'd have had proper training in the art of pleasing a woman, he'd have learned that most women don't want anything that A) plugs in, or B) has anything to do with the kitchen!  Not all women, I'm sure there are some who would love a blender or new mixer, etc.  But most would prefer something personal like perfume, clothes, jewelry, etc. 

Sure this guy got her clothes, but if you listened to her, she clearly states that NOW she would wear them, but back then they were something her MOTHER would wear.  This guy either didn't know her taste which says he isn't paying attention, or just plain HAS no taste in which case she's lucky she didn't get a redneck singing fish!! 

All I know is, I think the way this segment was presented really made her out to be very insensitive to her family, when in truth the husband has been insensitive to his wife's hurts from the first year and then perpetuated it so that he has rubbed her nose in it and stood back looking like the innocent bystander.  I think his lack of caring causes this rift in the first place, and I think he should apologize to her sincerely and then HELP her get over it by buying her something special to her and presenting it to her IN FRONT of her family with another apology. 

I think in the end the outcome was good, but the way it was presented made me hurt for her because she was made to look like the insensitive one, when in fact it has been he who has been insensitive to her all these years.  Nuff said!!
I couldnt have said it better myself!  I cant believe so many are so shortsighted and posessed by Giftmas that they cant understand her viewpoint and think the husband is the poor wittle innocent one.  He pours salt in the wound then verbally hits her in the head saying "what's your problem?"  Usually when a man is being pushy to a woman, ppl think the man is wrong but I guess Giftmas grants immunity to logic and reason.
 
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December 26, 2006, 10:36 pm PST

All sides of the cube

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Purple Penny:

 

I'm new to message boards.  I mistakenly believed the concept was for each person to be able to voice their views on different issues for the purpose of discussion.

 

Each of us comes from a different perspective depending on our personal life experiences.

 

Your posts are confusing to me in that you seem to be an exceptionally kind and caring person generally, yet my posts seem to evoke a more derisive, demeaning and challenging response from you, which in hindsight I should have ignored.

 

In answer to your question, "Yes, I did watch the show."   However, as in many instances, witnesses to the exact same event often relate very different scenarios.  Human nature, it seems. 

 

If I have made you angry I am truly sorry.  

 

It was unintentional on my part. 

 

I struggle to view all sides of an issue, but at the same time it is impossible not to interject ones own experiences into any given situation.

 

In the future, maybe we should ignore each others posts.  That might be a reasonable solution for each of us.

 

With kindest regards,

 

jojo

This is true, Jojo.  I'm new here today but been on message boards for 5 yrs and learned that when u disagree w/ someone, they often retaliate w/ hatred even if they're "loving" otherwise.  The person u speak of seems to be kind and caring but limited to those who agree w/ her.  I dont want to anger anyone but neither of us should apologize for who we are and what we believe.  We all watched the show and got totally different perspectives.  It seems that our opposers insist its all about the gift 27 yrs ago when it clearly goes deeper than that.  It surprised me that Dr Phil didnt see past that even tho he's usually able to go much deeper and figure out the source of the problem.
 
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December 27, 2006, 6:09 am PST

agree w/u

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This is true, Jojo.  I'm new here today but been on message boards for 5 yrs and learned that when u disagree w/ someone, they often retaliate w/ hatred even if they're "loving" otherwise.  The person u speak of seems to be kind and caring but limited to those who agree w/ her.  I dont want to anger anyone but neither of us should apologize for who we are and what we believe.  We all watched the show and got totally different perspectives.  It seems that our opposers insist its all about the gift 27 yrs ago when it clearly goes deeper than that.  It surprised me that Dr Phil didnt see past that even tho he's usually able to go much deeper and figure out the source of the problem.

 Welcome drphilfan.  Youre right, no one should apologize for their beliefs.  I think a lot of people feel that they're obligated to argue their point ad nauseum (like me).  I can't make a statement without offending someone, who usually didn't read or understand my point.  So much for intelligent conversation.

 

Anyway, this woman had deeper reasons than her husband bought her a crummy gift.  I think she has some control issues, personally.  My brother's girlfriend actually TOLD him to take back the gifts he bought for her.  She's ultra controlling, which makes me think that the woman on the show had to control something.  IDK, but it's probably more complex than just wanting to control christmas and everyone around her during christmas.

 
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December 27, 2006, 8:47 pm PST

agree w/ u

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 Welcome drphilfan.  Youre right, no one should apologize for their beliefs.  I think a lot of people feel that they're obligated to argue their point ad nauseum (like me).  I can't make a statement without offending someone, who usually didn't read or understand my point.  So much for intelligent conversation.

 

Anyway, this woman had deeper reasons than her husband bought her a crummy gift.  I think she has some control issues, personally.  My brother's girlfriend actually TOLD him to take back the gifts he bought for her.  She's ultra controlling, which makes me think that the woman on the show had to control something.  IDK, but it's probably more complex than just wanting to control christmas and everyone around her during christmas.

Thanks :)  I feel obligated to argue like everyone else.  I dont make too many statements w/o offending someone either and I'm not politically correct.  Often ppl respond w/ so much anger that they're eyes are blinded by red therefore cant read very well.

 

I'm not sure if she has control issues or not but she goes a little overboard by insisting that the Xmas decorations have to come down by 6am Xmas morning.  I'm confident that she's not out to ruin Xmas for others.

 
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December 27, 2006, 9:42 pm PST

12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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This is true, Jojo.  I'm new here today but been on message boards for 5 yrs and learned that when u disagree w/ someone, they often retaliate w/ hatred even if they're "loving" otherwise.  The person u speak of seems to be kind and caring but limited to those who agree w/ her.  I dont want to anger anyone but neither of us should apologize for who we are and what we believe.  We all watched the show and got totally different perspectives.  It seems that our opposers insist its all about the gift 27 yrs ago when it clearly goes deeper than that.  It surprised me that Dr Phil didnt see past that even tho he's usually able to go much deeper and figure out the source of the problem.
I didn't respond with hatred...I responded with disgust. And I stand by my disgust. This poster made the assumption this husband was deliberately being rude to his wife by buying her a gift. I am disgusted at anyone who would  say that her reaction to a GIFT was appropriate.

And we weren't given anymore information than was given on the show, so you can pontificate about "deeper" issues, but the fact remains, neither the husband nor the wife nor Dr Phil said ANYTHING "deeper" about this issue...

The "source of the problem" from what I saw was that this was a spoiled spoiled woman who wanted 'diamonds'....how dare her husband buy her something that wasn't made of diamonds! *rolls eyes*
 
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December 28, 2006, 5:41 pm PST

hi purple penny

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I totally agree with you! The gifts are merely a cherry on top (nice, but unnecessary...LOL) of something already so wonderful and sweet. 
what up? can u read my story under "Shocking Accusations"  11/3/06  mine is titled="Unfortunated turn/series of events" read plz when u have time and get back to me.  Ty...Any comments, questions, comments and/or suggestions will be appreciated...ty...Jason from IL       mine is dated 11/27/06 i think
 
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December 28, 2006, 5:42 pm PST

hi purple penny

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I totally agree with you! The gifts are merely a cherry on top (nice, but unnecessary...LOL) of something already so wonderful and sweet. 
what up? can u read my story under "Shocking Accusations"  11/3/06  mine is titled="Unfortunated turn/series of events" read plz when u have time and get back to me.  Ty...Any comments, questions, comments and/or suggestions will be appreciated...ty...Jason from IL       mine is dated 11/27/06 i think
 
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