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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:32:23 pm
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The holidays are here, but some households never experience “peace on earth.” Dr. Phil’s guests refuse to embrace the spirit of the season, and say Christmas is the worst time of the year! Joyce has been married to Rick for 27 years, and has hated the holidays for 26 of those years. She refuses to put up a tree, decorate her house or listen to Christmas carols. Rick says Joyce even flipped out when he tried to dangle some mistletoe over her head!  Joyce has succeeded in ruining her family’s joy, but is she about to destroy her marriage? Then, Val has 11 kids, but says her three daughters stop at nothing to wreck the holidays. One daughter even resorted to breaking her sister’s finger on Christmas day! The constant fighting has pushed Val to consider something drastic. And, find out what special event Robin and Dr. Phil hosted to help celebrate the true holiday spirit! Talk about the show here.

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January 2, 2007, 9:06 pm PST

Clarify please

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We are all free to believe what we wish.  =)

 

Let me also say, that we do not believe the tree is a God, only a symbol of the God.

 

Hope you are having a good new year so far.

Please clarify for everyone what "the God" means.  Are you saying that Pagans believe in the God of Abraham, just as Jews, Christians, and Muslims? 
 
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January 2, 2007, 9:41 pm PST

St. Boniface and the Christmas Tree

"St. Boniface and the Christmas Tree

 

According to tradition, when he chopped down the pagan Thor's Oak at Geismar around the year 700, Boniface claimed a tiny fir tree growing in its roots as the new Christian symbol. He told the pagans:
- "This humble tree's wood is used to build your homes: let Christ be at the center of your households.
- Its leaves remain evergreen in the darkest days: let Christ be your constant light.
- Its boughs reach out to embrace and its top points to heaven: let Christ be your comfort and your guide."
So the fir tree became a sign of Christ amongst the German peoples, and eventually it became a world-wide symbol of Christmas."

 

From St. Boniface.org

 
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January 2, 2007, 11:10 pm PST

Christmas Tree and Its Decoration

From the website of the University of Illinois Extension:

 

"Christmas Tree Traditions

 

The decorated Christmas tree can be traced back to the ancient Romans who during their winter festival decorated trees with small pieces of metal during Saturnalia, a winter festival in honor of Saturnus, the god of agriculture.

 

Long after pagan conversions to Christianity, an evergreen, the Paradise tree, was decorated with apples as a symbol of the feast of Adam and Eve held on December 24th during the middle ages.

 

Christmas trees were sold in Alsace in 1531. Alsace was at that time a part of Germany. Today it is part of France. The trees were sold at local markets and set up in homes undecorated. In the Ammerschweier in Alsace there was an ordinance that stated no person "shall have for Christmas more than one bush of more than eight shoe lengths."

 

Sixteenth century Christian reformer Martin Luther is said to be the first to decorate an indoor tree. After a walk through a forest of evergreens with shining stars overhead, Luther tried to describe the experience to his family and showed them by bringing a tree into their home and decorating it with candles. Some historians state that the first evidence of a lighted tree appeared more than a century after Martin Luther's death in 1546.

 

The oldest record of a decorated Christmas tree came from a 1605 diary found in Strasburg, France (Germany in 1605). The tree was decorated with paper roses, apples and candies.

 

In Austria & Germany during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the tops of evergreens were cut and hung upside down in a living room corner. They were decorated with apples, nuts and strips of red paper.

 

The first record of Christmas trees in America was for children in the German Moravian Church's settlement in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Christmas 1747. Actual trees were not decorated, but wooden pyramids covered with evergreen branches were decorated with candles.

 

The custom of the Christmas tree was introduced in the United States during the War of Independence by Hessian troops. An early account tells of a Christmas tree set up by American soldiers at Fort Dearborn, Illinois, the site of Chicago, in 1804. Most other early accounts in the United States were among the German settlers in eastern Pennsylvania.

 

In 1834, Queen Victoria's husband, Prince Albert, was credited with bringing the first Christmas tree to Windsor Castle for the Royal Family. Some historians state that in actuality Queen Charlotte, Victoria's grandmother, recalled that a Christmas tree was in the Queen's lodge at Windsor on Christmas Day in 1800.

 

Charles Minnegrode introduced the custom of decorating trees in Williamsburg, Virginia in 1842.  By 1850, the Christmas tree had become fashionable in the eastern states. Until this time, it had been considered a quaint foreign custom.  Mark Carr brought trees from the Catskills to the streets of New York in 1851, and opened the first retail Christmas tree lot in the United States.

 

Franklin Pierce was the first president to introduce the Christmas tree to the White House in 1856 for a group of Washington Sunday School children. The first national Christmas Tree was lighted in the year 1923 on the White House lawn by President Calvin Coolidge."

 
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January 2, 2007, 11:28 pm PST

The song:

"Catholics in England during the period 1558 to 1829 were prohibited by law to practice their faith either in public or private. It was illegal to be Catholic until Parliament finally emancipated Catholics in England in 1829.

"The Twelve Days of Christmas" was written in England as one of the "catechism songs" to help young Catholics learn the basics of their faith. In short, it was a coded-message, a memory aid. Since the song sounded like rhyming nonsense, young Catholics could sing the song without fear of imprisonment. The authorities would not know that it was a religious song.

"The 12 Days of Christmas" is in a sense an allegory.

 

Each of the items in the song represents something significant to the teachings of the Catholic faith. The hidden meaning of each gift was designed to help Catholic children learn their faith. The better acquainted one is with the Bible, the more these interpretations have significance.

 

The song goes, "On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me…"

The "true love" mentioned in the song doesn’t refer to an earthly suitor, but it refers to God Himself. The "me" who receives the presents refers to every baptized person. i.e. the Church.

1st Day:

The partridge in a pear tree is Christ Jesus upon the Cross. In the song, Christ is symbolically presented as a mother partridge because she would feign injury to decoy a predator away from her nestlings. She was even willing to die for them.
The tree is the symbol of the fall of the human race through the sin of Adam and Eve. It is also the symbol of its redemption by Jesus Christ on the tree of the Cross.

2nd Day:

The "two turtle doves" refers to the Old and New Testaments.

3rd Day:

The "three French hens" stand for faith, hope and love—the three gifts of the Spirit that abide (1 Corinthians 13).

4th Day:

The "four calling birds" refers to the four evangelists who wrote the Gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke and John—which sing the song of salvation through Jesus Christ.

5th Day:

The "five golden rings" represents the first five books of the Bible, also called the Jewish Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

6th Day:

The "six geese a-laying" is the six days of creation.

7th Day:

The "seven swans a-swimming" refers to the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety and fear of the Lord.

8th Day:

The "eight maids a milking " reminded children of the eight beatitudes listed in the Sermon on the Mount.

9th Day:

The "nine ladies dancing" were the nine fruits of the Holy Spirit found in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.

10th Day:

The "ten lords a-leaping" represents the Ten Commandments

11th Day:

The "eleven pipers piping" refers to the eleven faithful apostles.

12th Day:

The ‘twelve drummers drumming" were the twelve points of belief expressed in the Apostles’ Creed: belief in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, that Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, made man, crucified, died and arose on the third day, that he sits at the right hand of the father and will come again, the resurrection of the dead and life everlasting.

So the next time you hear "the Twelve Days of Christmas" consider how this otherwise non-religious sounding song had its origins in keeping alive the teaching of the Catholic faith. "

 

From the website Appleseeds.  This is common information that can be found on many websites.

 
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January 3, 2007, 1:49 pm PST

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Please clarify for everyone what "the God" means.  Are you saying that Pagans believe in the God of Abraham, just as Jews, Christians, and Muslims? 
No, it is not an Abrahamic religion, it is much older than that.
 
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January 3, 2007, 1:51 pm PST

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I am curious as to what your point is in posting these things.
 
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January 3, 2007, 2:54 pm PST

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I am curious as to what your point is in posting these things.
the purpous of these poste were to clear up a mess man caused over 2000 years ago by trying to make every one see god as they saw him, i too am guilty of this act, it wasnt till after reading effies posts and judgeing her by them when i realised we see god the way he ment for us to see him, in a differnt light true but he after all is the only god there is, i was down on pagens for what i thought was tree worshiping, when i was inlightened on the fact that pagens only see the tree as a symbol of god, and a true symbol it has to be, after all god came to mosses as a burning bush, they nailed jesus to a tree  cut to the shape of the cross, which is the symbol all church going christians carry and hold dear to there hearts, i guess the purppose of this could be simply to get all people to not judge others for seeing god as each other sees him, only god has the right to protest there views if he isnt happy with them, god is the giver of all.
 
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January 3, 2007, 3:48 pm PST

Older?

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No, it is not an Abrahamic religion, it is much older than that.
Older than the beginning of the universe?  How older?   Do you know when polytheism first started vs. when Judaism/Christianity began?  Just curious, want all the info i can get.  Peace.
 
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January 3, 2007, 5:04 pm PST

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the purpous of these poste were to clear up a mess man caused over 2000 years ago by trying to make every one see god as they saw him, i too am guilty of this act, it wasnt till after reading effies posts and judgeing her by them when i realised we see god the way he ment for us to see him, in a differnt light true but he after all is the only god there is, i was down on pagens for what i thought was tree worshiping, when i was inlightened on the fact that pagens only see the tree as a symbol of god, and a true symbol it has to be, after all god came to mosses as a burning bush, they nailed jesus to a tree  cut to the shape of the cross, which is the symbol all church going christians carry and hold dear to there hearts, i guess the purppose of this could be simply to get all people to not judge others for seeing god as each other sees him, only god has the right to protest there views if he isnt happy with them, god is the giver of all.
Not All church going Christians carry a cross or use it as their symbol. While I admit, it's symbolic of Jesus' sacrifice, it's also a symbol of man's inhumanity to man. I prefer the fish...as we're to be "fisher's of men"
 
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January 3, 2007, 6:04 pm PST

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Older than the beginning of the universe?  How older?   Do you know when polytheism first started vs. when Judaism/Christianity began?  Just curious, want all the info i can get.  Peace.
Elffie can give you more info than me. I do not, for one second, believe that the universe started 6-7 thousand years ago...LOL...

I am going just be the "look" of both religions. Paganism worships nature and is nature based, it's traditions LOOK and seem older to me.  This, is just my opinion, but it has always been my understanding that Paganism is older than Abrahamic religions.

For the record I do not believe in ANY of this.
 

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