Topic : 12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

 You are right that (at least  some, I don' t know about all) pagan traditons are older than Abrahamic religions, as Abraham was himself a pagan I believe before he "found God"

well had they nailed jesus to a fish instead of a cross i would prefer a fish as well, but it wasnt a fish it was a cross, and the cross was made cut from a tree, not a fish, but it really dosent matter what any one holds special from god as all things here were created by him, and he loves every thing here that he created equaly, even a thorn from a bush can be connected with god no matter how differntly we each see it.

You are missing something.  Pagans don't worship the same God as you worship as a Christian.  That was something that was just said in one of the posts.  Christianity is an Abrahamic religion. 

 

"Only God has the right to protest their views if he isn't happy with them."  God has protested pagan views.  In the first commandment He has said, "I am the Lord thy God, you shall have no other Gods before me."

 

Yes, God is the final judge.  But, as a Christian you are treading on tricky ground in your reasoning.  Worry less about judging others and more about leading your own self astray.  That is all I have to say.  I wish the best for you and pray for you to be lead in the right direction. 

I don't know how to say this without offending someone.......but I do not believe in the Christian version of God.  I believe, that when early humans wandered this Earth, they worshipped what they saw, the sun, the moon, the stars.  Afterall, the sun does have great importance in our lives.  Now, science has concluded what exactly the sun and moon are, but I still choose to use these as my symbols of the God (sun) and Goddess (moon).

 

The God, to me means someone, or something that is apart of us.  So, in a way, we are worshipping a part of us, life.  Afterall, we are created by man and woman (can't leave out the Goddess).  I believe my ancestors saw what was around them and believed it to have a supernatural power.  Nothing needs a supernatural being, as I now understand, but it is nice to belive in some higher power, so I was drawn to a religion that I have felt close to my whole life. 

 

Hope this helps. =)

From what I have read, it went something like this......Panthiestic beliefs, to Polythiestic beliefs, to Monothiestic beliefs.  I think that's the correct order. LOL  It's late....LOL

 

From what I have read, Pagan beliefs predate Christian beliefs by approximitly 2,000 years.  I hope I am not offending anyone by saying this.

Does it really matter if we do not worship the same God?  What I got from Afraid's post to me is that he is willing to put our differences aside to co-exist peacefully.  Maybe we do not believe in the exact same God, but we do believe in a God.  I see no harm in this.

 

As to your quote, I won't get into a debate here (there is a board for that), but I think maybe he was addressing only his followers.  Maybe? 

 

Also, the exchange you read between Afraid and myself was not our first.  We have had postings to each other before.  And I still think he was being sincere, why are so upset that he wants to get along with me?  How is that a threat to him or yourself?

but how could this be possible when there is not but [ 1 ]= one+0=1 god? isn't it just possible we all see god differently? after all mosses saw god as a burning Busch, i didn't see the burning Busch as mosses saw, but he was in the presence of the [ 1 ] =one and only god there is, so the same god mosses loved so much is the same god i too love, he hasn't come to me as a burning Busch, but hes still the same god,god gives life god gives food god gives water god gives love, so no matter how we each see god we are talking about the one and only god there is, doesn't matter how we see him in our hearts, all that matters is to open our hearts to him,god is the giver of all no matter how great or how small he gives all, and remember there was a time when even Satan walked in the presence of god, it wasn't till he fell to evil that god cast him away, but even Satan was given a chance to change.yes we all worship the same god, we just do it in different ways, the only thing that really is important is to worship god no matter how he leads our hearts,god chose different paths for each of us to follow,all religions that worship god are true as long as there keeping god above all others,its the religions that leed you away from god that are false,the pagans hole the tree dear to there hearts as a symbol of god, the tree is a living thing in which god him self created,could it be the pagans keep the tree as a symbol of god because that is how god came to mosses, hence a burning bush in which we know a bush grous in to a tree,you know i will not tell some one who whorships god in what has been dubed a pagan way that they dont worship the one and only god there is,if i do that i my self am claming there to be more than one god, not the pagan that holds a tree as a symbol of god, think about what i said and see if it comes clear to you as it has to me.

my apology to you effie was sincere and from my heart, i follow my heart in life and my heart told me to tell you i was sorry, and i refuse to let something that happened over 2000 years ago keep me from being at peace with you,people 2000 years ago I'm sure saw things differently than we see them today, after all we are a lot smarter now than we were then, or are we  hahahahaha, it really seems we all seem to keep a battle that was fought over 2000 years ago alive even today hehehehe, hell i cant say what happened back then i wasn't there ,but I'm here today and now, and i don't have to hate my fellow man or woman for what they believe, if i do that i am allowing evil to win even as i type,i chose to love my fellow man and woman, maybe between all of us we can put back together what man has destroyed over the many years his hands have been involved, i would like to think the holy wars are over,i would think even god would grow tired of watching us make the same mistakes over and over,peace and love is what god wants to see from us, thank you for excepting my apology,i will never pass judgement on you ever again for your views in life or religion,i will just try to learn from them.

I for one found Afraids willingness to be humble and understanding to be VERY Christian.

And I want to say again, that if there was anything that I have said that may have offended you I am sorry.  I really do not try to offend anyone, I only try to express my views, and some may see that as offensive, but believe me when I say that I never intend to do that.

 

And I would like to think that religious discrimination is over, but it isn't.  Which is upsetting because I feel that if we all just took the time to talk and understand one another, there wouldn't be as many misconceptions and fear of things we do not know much about.

 

This world is filled with different people and different beliefs.  Tolerance is key, as long as we are not hurting one another. 

 

Thank you for looking past the misconceptions, Afraid.