Topic : 12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:32:23 pm
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The holidays are here, but some households never experience “peace on earth.” Dr. Phil’s guests refuse to embrace the spirit of the season, and say Christmas is the worst time of the year! Joyce has been married to Rick for 27 years, and has hated the holidays for 26 of those years. She refuses to put up a tree, decorate her house or listen to Christmas carols. Rick says Joyce even flipped out when he tried to dangle some mistletoe over her head!  Joyce has succeeded in ruining her family’s joy, but is she about to destroy her marriage? Then, Val has 11 kids, but says her three daughters stop at nothing to wreck the holidays. One daughter even resorted to breaking her sister’s finger on Christmas day! The constant fighting has pushed Val to consider something drastic. And, find out what special event Robin and Dr. Phil hosted to help celebrate the true holiday spirit! Talk about the show here.

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December 13, 2006, 7:44 pm PST

Get a grip

To the lady who cannot let go of her husband's error in clothing choice - get a grip lady.  I read a post tonight about a woman who buried her child on Christmas and she managed to turn it around and be an inspiration.  What is wrong with you that you cannot see your incrediable selfishness? 

If you hate it so much, why don't you try to capture some spirit by helping others during this season.  Giving of yourself, your time, your money is the true spirit of this season.  You don't want a tree in your house?  How about buying a small one and bringing it to a local women's shelter and giving it to a women who's been beaten and has children to support alone? 

I don't blame your husband one bit for his non-gift attitude.  You owe him a huge apology for your selfishness.

 
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December 13, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

About Woman Who Hates Christmas

Joyce needs to wake up and smell the evergreen.  Does this lady not realize how lucky she is???  She has a husband who wants to be with her and who wants to buy her presents.  He wants to decorate the house and celebrate the holidays.  She has a daughter who also wants to be with her.  The holidays are about family and love, not about what present you get. 

If she doesn't want to be with them and celebrate, I will trade places with her.  She can come to my house and be alone on Christmas day.  I will go to her house and help decorate and bake pies and cakes and cookies until people are tired of eating them.  My husband left me just before Christmas almost 7 years ago, the day before my birthday.  I do have a daughter and grandchildren but they live in another state.  None of my family are close by.  I spend the day with my animals.  Christmas dinner is a special dinner for them.  I have no reason to decorate and need no tree because there are no presents. 

Joyce needs to realize how lucky she is.  She has a family who wants to be with her and wants to celebrate.  I do realize how lucky I am because I have a safe and comfortable house.  So many people this time of year are homeless or have no job or much worse.  Many people have just lost someone special to them or they have a family member who is seriously ill.  Joyce needs to focus on being with people who love her and want to be with her.  That is the best gift that anyone could have.

 
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December 13, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

You are the gift

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I too hate Christmas but not for the same reasons as your first show guest but I dread every second that bring me closer to Christmas.  U, Dr. Phil have the resources to enjoy Christmas.  U CAN AFFORD TO LIGHT LIGHTS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR UTILITY BILL; U CAN AFFORD TO GIVE NICE SIGNIFICANT GIFTS AND TO CHARITIES AT THIS TIME (I CANNOT AND IT IS NOT GIFTS I WANT TO RECIEVE; IT IS THOSE I WANT TO GIVE TO MY ELDERLY AUNTS AND MY KIDS AND MY GRANDKIDS AND MY COLLEAGUES AND MY FRIENDS AND MY CHURCH MEMBERS AND SO ON AND SO ON.)  U can afford to have the meal that u want to have - while I am making a scrimpy Kroger list and wondering if I will have enough in my paycheck of Dec 22nd to even do that or do I put meds first?  U can travel at the holidays in your private jet or nice car while my sweet little Ford tempo hopefully (Please Lord) will keep going and maybe I will have enough gas left for at least church services.  I love the carols but I hate the holidays!  ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE THEM.  I am sad, depressed, broke, 'po' and very dissalusioned at the commercialism of it all.  I only tolerate Christmas because everyone else is so happy and I know that Jesus is true reason for the season.  My grandson asked for Leggos but there will be no Leggos from Granny.  He asked for a movie - we will see but but will I have to sacrifice that is truly needed to even do that ? OF COURSE YOU LOVE CHRISTMAS but get off you high horse and enjoy your holidays and remember all of those who do not and cannot and will not even in the future.  Will ya?  We are not a minority here, those that hate Christmas.  I can hardly wait for December 26th to get here but at least this year I have had the good sense to stay on my antidepressants and surround myself with my church activities and perhaps will not have to attempt to sleep until Dec 26th and then get up happy that day.  Get a grip Doc! 

Sincerely.  S. Elaine

Don't underestimate yourself grandma - you are the gift here.  Even though you're cranking on the Christmas thing, it really sounds like you are a nice lady and those grandkids love you anyway.  Try to re-frame Christmas and make it YOUR holiday of love - just that - just love.  I know if you are poor it's hard to move past the commercialism, but you're a big girl now.  YOu are capable of being bigger than your bitterness. 
 
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December 13, 2006, 7:49 pm PST

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I too hate Christmas but not for the same reasons as your first show guest but I dread every second that bring me closer to Christmas.  U, Dr. Phil have the resources to enjoy Christmas.  U CAN AFFORD TO LIGHT LIGHTS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR UTILITY BILL; U CAN AFFORD TO GIVE NICE SIGNIFICANT GIFTS AND TO CHARITIES AT THIS TIME (I CANNOT AND IT IS NOT GIFTS I WANT TO RECIEVE; IT IS THOSE I WANT TO GIVE TO MY ELDERLY AUNTS AND MY KIDS AND MY GRANDKIDS AND MY COLLEAGUES AND MY FRIENDS AND MY CHURCH MEMBERS AND SO ON AND SO ON.)  U can afford to have the meal that u want to have - while I am making a scrimpy Kroger list and wondering if I will have enough in my paycheck of Dec 22nd to even do that or do I put meds first?  U can travel at the holidays in your private jet or nice car while my sweet little Ford tempo hopefully (Please Lord) will keep going and maybe I will have enough gas left for at least church services.  I love the carols but I hate the holidays!  ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE THEM.  I am sad, depressed, broke, 'po' and very dissalusioned at the commercialism of it all.  I only tolerate Christmas because everyone else is so happy and I know that Jesus is true reason for the season.  My grandson asked for Leggos but there will be no Leggos from Granny.  He asked for a movie - we will see but but will I have to sacrifice that is truly needed to even do that ? OF COURSE YOU LOVE CHRISTMAS but get off you high horse and enjoy your holidays and remember all of those who do not and cannot and will not even in the future.  Will ya?  We are not a minority here, those that hate Christmas.  I can hardly wait for December 26th to get here but at least this year I have had the good sense to stay on my antidepressants and surround myself with my church activities and perhaps will not have to attempt to sleep until Dec 26th and then get up happy that day.  Get a grip Doc! 

Sincerely.  S. Elaine

I'm really sorry that Christmas is so hard for you.  I hope you can focus on your church activities, music, and other aspects of the season that bring you some satisfaction.  I don't know the specifics of your situation, but I hope you can find some happiness in knowing that you control how much commercialism you allow into your attitude toward Christmas.  Even the Grinch realized that, "Maybe Christmas, perhaps, doesn't come from a store / Maybe Christmas, perhaps, means a little bit more."  Try to share that message with your grandson, and don't worry so much about what you can or can't get him.  I promise you that he'll remember the experiences he shares with you far more than any present you bought him.

 

Please know that you're in my thoughts.

 
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December 13, 2006, 7:51 pm PST

CHANGE CHRISTMAS

I had to change my Christmas and stop spending it with my biological family.  I find mountains of gifts very depressing, many people always stress out about it like I did, I know I am not the only one.  It is not the right gift, not what they want, and just credit c ard debt which is stressful.  It made me feel ill in the pit of my stomach to see all the 'stuff'' my sisters showered on their children.  We cut out almost all presents esp. expensive ones totally.  We go to the street people and serve turkey dinners or hand out gifts  before we cook our own.  We go to listen to Christmas carolls, we invite people to our house that have no where else to go.   Before my mother died she spent one Christmas with us and she said it changed her life.  One day she said 'I admire you for standing up for what you believe in and not doing what everyone expects you to do at Christmas."  My heart aches for the 3 young girls that live together.  The will not learn how to be lovable and loving from their mother.  Tell them to let go of their family and go out and find out all by themselves, she is not able to teach them what she does not know.

 
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December 13, 2006, 7:51 pm PST

12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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My Christmas traditions began 25 years ago...

 

26 years ago, I buried my infant son on Christmas Eve...he died of SIDS on December 22. I had 2 toddlers at home and went home to play Santa Claus that night...it was the most horrid Christmas I ever saw my children experience...not because they lost their brother, but because they did not understand why everyone was so subdued on such a great day. In the midst of my grief, I decided that they would never see another Christmas that was not full of wonder and laughter the way Christmas should be. As the next year progressed, many things happened, one was that I became pregnant again and had a child Dec. 16th of the next year. I was so dreading the hollidays. With baby blues and the anniversary of the death of my son, it was not a pleasant time.

 

After some thought and prayer, I came to a concious decision to begin new traditions in my family for my children...but basically for me. I began by decorating the house the day after Thanksgiving. I had to get a running start on the depression that set in about the beginning of December. I began using advent calendars and candles, reading Christmas stories each night, and wrapping one present each night after the kids went to bed. I found that by making myself do these things and wrapping myself in the holiday, my mood became uplifted. As the kids would run to see for whom the new present was, their eyes would light up. Many other traditions developed over the years, but it was really just a matter of will to overcome the nay sayers.

 

Today, my 4 children are adults and they have great memories and wonderful stories of the holidays. I have been around bah, humbug people who say they hate the holidays, that it is the worst time of year, etc. but it is my opinion that you choose to be in a bad mood about it or a good mood and you can allow others to control your spirit or not. My husband hates Christmas and chooses to only be a peripheral part of the traditions. It's too bad that he robs himself of that joy. The rest of us choose to be children for a while!

Thank you for helping me to remember that we do indeed create our own experience.  You are a very strong and loving woman, and your children are most fortunate.  Merry Christmas.
 
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December 13, 2006, 7:55 pm PST

Dr Phil missed the boat...It's the Mom that needs help

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 I completely agree - Val has a lot of self-examination to do  - despite the "adult" ages of the 3 sisters, this mom's attitude & actions continue to devastate her daughters.  How very sad her lousy parenting has resulted in this mess.  They all need therapy, none more than Val!  A mother who would give gifts to older siblings but not to 3 sisters is sick.  And does anyone else feel Dr Phil is close to losing his patience permanently?? Maybe those GOP losses hit home with him!
I agree. This Mom plays favorites...and these three are definitely NOT her favorites. And sadly, no matter what they do, no matter how well they behave, they are not going to be in her good graces. It's very sad that they will never get the love and caring that everyone deserves from their Mother. Sometimes you just have to face the hard, cold facts that you can't make someone love you...no matter how hard you try and no matter how badly you want them to. I hope this Mother sees what kind of pain she has put them through and makes an attempt to heal the wounds...but judging from her attitude on the show, it's not likely.
 
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December 13, 2006, 7:56 pm PST

Po' folks presents

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I too hate Christmas but not for the same reasons as your first show guest but I dread every second that bring me closer to Christmas.  U, Dr. Phil have the resources to enjoy Christmas.  U CAN AFFORD TO LIGHT LIGHTS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR UTILITY BILL; U CAN AFFORD TO GIVE NICE SIGNIFICANT GIFTS AND TO CHARITIES AT THIS TIME (I CANNOT AND IT IS NOT GIFTS I WANT TO RECIEVE; IT IS THOSE I WANT TO GIVE TO MY ELDERLY AUNTS AND MY KIDS AND MY GRANDKIDS AND MY COLLEAGUES AND MY FRIENDS AND MY CHURCH MEMBERS AND SO ON AND SO ON.)  U can afford to have the meal that u want to have - while I am making a scrimpy Kroger list and wondering if I will have enough in my paycheck of Dec 22nd to even do that or do I put meds first?  U can travel at the holidays in your private jet or nice car while my sweet little Ford tempo hopefully (Please Lord) will keep going and maybe I will have enough gas left for at least church services.  I love the carols but I hate the holidays!  ABSOLUTELY HATE HATE HATE THEM.  I am sad, depressed, broke, 'po' and very dissalusioned at the commercialism of it all.  I only tolerate Christmas because everyone else is so happy and I know that Jesus is true reason for the season.  My grandson asked for Leggos but there will be no Leggos from Granny.  He asked for a movie - we will see but but will I have to sacrifice that is truly needed to even do that ? OF COURSE YOU LOVE CHRISTMAS but get off you high horse and enjoy your holidays and remember all of those who do not and cannot and will not even in the future.  Will ya?  We are not a minority here, those that hate Christmas.  I can hardly wait for December 26th to get here but at least this year I have had the good sense to stay on my antidepressants and surround myself with my church activities and perhaps will not have to attempt to sleep until Dec 26th and then get up happy that day.  Get a grip Doc! 

Sincerely.  S. Elaine

 Hi - I've been in a similar economic situation & continue to scrimp wherever I can.  Have you looked on Craigs List or Ebay or in re-sale toy stores for Legos for your grandchild?  Wrap used items well & the child won't realize they are not brand new!  You can also buy small Lego kits at discount stores for under $10 in my area.  Yes, most folks have to make decisions about what they really want to give/do vs what they can afford to give/do & where they must cut back to afford any "treats" at all.  Life is hard - vote Democratic & maybe we can look forward to a little more equity in the future!  I agree it's exasperating to hear about the great wealth of Phil, Oprah, the Bush family,the Kennedys,Trump,etc. - some of them are most deserving, others not so much!  I pray for significant positive social & economic change in our lifetime.
 
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December 13, 2006, 8:04 pm PST

Christmas change

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This isn't directly related to the show, but if anybody has any suggestions, I would certainly appreciate them.

 

My mother died in June, and my father died back in 1989.  So this is the first Christmas that I don't have any parents.  The family home has been sold, and with it, I feel like my connections to the place I grew up, and the people I grew up with, have evaporated.

 

I always liked Christmas.  In my family, there were quite a few traditions around food, music, decorations, etc., as well as a strong religious component.  I miss those things enormously; it's just not the same without my mother.

 

My husband and I are going to spend Christmas with his family.  They're not bad people, but they're totally different from my family.  There's a lot of hostility and repressed anger, and this sometimes erupts at Christmas (I know this from past years).  There are no real family traditions and no religious dimension to the holiday at all.  Truthfully, I'm not really sure what they're celebrating, and nobody seems very happy about it.  This year, there was a big family fight around Thanksgiving which may still be simmering at Christmas.

 

And the fact is, they don't like me much.  I believe I've tried to be gracious and friendly, to go with the flow, to adapt to their way of doing things.  But their way of being together is totally different from my family's way of being together.  Please don't think I hate them; they're part of my husband, and so I don't.  But it's very hard.  I don't fit there, and everybody knows it.  Much of my favorite Christmas music was written before 1800; they're strictly Elvis and The Chipmunks' Christmas.  We're about as far apart as we can get.

 

I'm a little scared of this.  I just don't feel that I have the emotional resources this year to spend Christmas in the middle of their drama.  I really want to go to church and listen to the old music, to have a lovely dinner with my husband, maybe even contact The Salvation Army and see if we can help out.  I want to do something quiet and meaningful and different.  But I also want to be respectful of my husband.  They're his family, and though he sees what's wrong, he loves them.  I'm just very, very sad this year that this is all I have left of a "family" Christmas.  (I don't have children due to medical reasons, and I spent several years helping my mother through cancer, which kind of put adoption out of my mind for a long while--though the possibility has certainly re-emerged in my mind).

 

I want to be charitable and gracious.  I want to be responsive to my husband's desire to spend time with his family.  Any ideas on how to get through this?  Thanks, and sorry for the rambling post.  I just need to put this somewhere.

I don't know your age but my advise is to create your own Christmas traditions.  Let go of his family and let go of your mothers traditions.  What is meaningful to your heart and your husbands heart not someone else's.  I don't have children, I am 58 years old, we are having 25 people for dinner none of which are from either of our biological families.  We are handing out gifts to street people Christmas day before we will go home and have our turkey.   Reach out and you will be surprised how many people will reach back.  If we continue to listen to what is real for us and not past generations we can create a great world.  If we continue to carry on old traditions we will be wearing veils before we know it.

 

 

 
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December 13, 2006, 8:11 pm PST

Glad I'm not the only Scrooge!

Well, I have HATED Christmas, Thanksgiving and Halloween since I was about 10 years old. Too many reasons to mention, but I like knowing that I am not the only Scrooge.

I hate receiving gifts, I hate the trees, lights, everyone saying "Merry Christmas' or "Happy Thanksgiving". I look forward to December 26th every year because that means I have many months to go before I get all of this "joy" & stuff shoved in my face again.

I think it's great that people enjoy themselves, but why do I have to be pushed to the edge every year because someone is soooo freakin' happy.

 

 

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