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Created on : Friday, December 08, 2006, 02:32:23 pm
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The holidays are here, but some households never experience “peace on earth.” Dr. Phil’s guests refuse to embrace the spirit of the season, and say Christmas is the worst time of the year! Joyce has been married to Rick for 27 years, and has hated the holidays for 26 of those years. She refuses to put up a tree, decorate her house or listen to Christmas carols. Rick says Joyce even flipped out when he tried to dangle some mistletoe over her head!  Joyce has succeeded in ruining her family’s joy, but is she about to destroy her marriage? Then, Val has 11 kids, but says her three daughters stop at nothing to wreck the holidays. One daughter even resorted to breaking her sister’s finger on Christmas day! The constant fighting has pushed Val to consider something drastic. And, find out what special event Robin and Dr. Phil hosted to help celebrate the true holiday spirit! Talk about the show here.

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December 15, 2006, 5:19 am PST

Merry Christmas

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Christmas is all about giving, not getting. It is the chance to stop your busy life and spend time with those you love most, show them how much you care and appreciate them. I know a lot of people will argue that you can do that any time of the year, and yes that is true.......but there is one day of the year when almost everything is closed the whole United States almost seems to stop for one day, and why not take that day to devote to those closest to you? Christmas to me has so much magic to it, I mean the gifts are nice but I think Christmas would be just as magical without them. I love christmas! 

There are many people out there that have no one to be with at Christmas.  There are many that will have no presents to open.  There are many that have nothing to give at Christmas.  There are many that have no home to go to at Christmas.  There are many that the above is true 365 days a year.

 

Surely everyone can put their own little attention seeking problems aside for one day of the year and allow your friends and family to give love and recieve it. 

 
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December 15, 2006, 7:52 am PST

Indifferent about the Holidays ! ANY of them!

I watched the show on Thursday, December 14th about the guests that disliked Xmas.  As a 48 year old female I have also always disliked the holidays.  Mostly for the fact that when I entered the work force I did so in a job that required me to work on all holidays, so Thanksgiving, Xmas and New Years were all just another day as far as I was concerned.  Now, as I have gotten older and no longer work those days I do work in a large office environment that promotes the Xmas dinners, etc.  I don't feel like participating in any mandatory practices.  Just because the calendar shows we should, doesn't mean we all feel that way.  Especially the holidays are rough for me since my father passed away 10 years ago - and without him, there is no family left.  I have children and grandchildren that I see and call and wish a Merry Xmas but as far as anything else to do with the holidays I would actually prefer staying home by myself and clean my house or watch TV.  I have a good male friend that I have spent the holidays with just because his family is scattered and they celebrate their holidays at other times - but if I don't get together with him for dinner and a day of movies, then I do nothing.  I hate the comments about me being a scrooge, I hate the fact that people always ask me WHY WHY WHY ?   I don't have to explain why !  I am a grown woman with my own reasons.  I feel the same way about birthdays.   If we cannot be nice to each other 365 days out of the year then why force the niceness onto one day because it says December 25th ???  Besides all of that I was listening to the radio yesterday on my drive to work and out of the 5 preset radio stations on my car radio ALL 5 had some kinds of advertisements for stores having sales for last minute Xmas gifts!  What ever happened to the real reason we are supposed to be celebrating this day ?  I get more and more annoyed with the holidays each and every year when I go into a store to buy Halloween candy and they already have Xmas stuff in stock - c'mon people !  In OCTOBER ???    If you know someone that doesn't care for the holidays they have their reasons and they really are NOT under any obligation to share those reasons with you !    If someone says no to a part then leave it at that - take the NO and move on.  I always enjoyed HOLIDAY dances but that was when I worked on a committee for my old corporation and I so enjoyed dressing up and socializing with my friends.  But, again, that was because we all wanted to be together, and not HAD to be. 
 
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December 15, 2006, 9:49 am PST

12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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I watched the show on Thursday, December 14th about the guests that disliked Xmas.  As a 48 year old female I have also always disliked the holidays.  Mostly for the fact that when I entered the work force I did so in a job that required me to work on all holidays, so Thanksgiving, Xmas and New Years were all just another day as far as I was concerned.  Now, as I have gotten older and no longer work those days I do work in a large office environment that promotes the Xmas dinners, etc.  I don't feel like participating in any mandatory practices.  Just because the calendar shows we should, doesn't mean we all feel that way.  Especially the holidays are rough for me since my father passed away 10 years ago - and without him, there is no family left.  I have children and grandchildren that I see and call and wish a Merry Xmas but as far as anything else to do with the holidays I would actually prefer staying home by myself and clean my house or watch TV.  I have a good male friend that I have spent the holidays with just because his family is scattered and they celebrate their holidays at other times - but if I don't get together with him for dinner and a day of movies, then I do nothing.  I hate the comments about me being a scrooge, I hate the fact that people always ask me WHY WHY WHY ?   I don't have to explain why !  I am a grown woman with my own reasons.  I feel the same way about birthdays.   If we cannot be nice to each other 365 days out of the year then why force the niceness onto one day because it says December 25th ???  Besides all of that I was listening to the radio yesterday on my drive to work and out of the 5 preset radio stations on my car radio ALL 5 had some kinds of advertisements for stores having sales for last minute Xmas gifts!  What ever happened to the real reason we are supposed to be celebrating this day ?  I get more and more annoyed with the holidays each and every year when I go into a store to buy Halloween candy and they already have Xmas stuff in stock - c'mon people !  In OCTOBER ???    If you know someone that doesn't care for the holidays they have their reasons and they really are NOT under any obligation to share those reasons with you !    If someone says no to a part then leave it at that - take the NO and move on.  I always enjoyed HOLIDAY dances but that was when I worked on a committee for my old corporation and I so enjoyed dressing up and socializing with my friends.  But, again, that was because we all wanted to be together, and not HAD to be. 
You do know you have a choice in being annoyed by radio ads right?

And holidays are just special days. I AM nice all 365 days of the year...but this is a day where everyone decides to celebrate together.

I'm sorry about your father.
 
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December 15, 2006, 10:09 am PST

If it's too much for Santa, it's too much for Dr. Phil

 Watching this show, I resonated with the young women who couldn't get along for just one pleasant Christmas day. Absolutely, they are playing a part in their own miserable time and they need to make some decisions, like, whether to spend the holidays with their family. It seems only fair, if the mom has the option to cancel Christmas or dis-invite those of her children she'd
rather not be with. That, and a lonelier Christmas, ought to get them to the nearest shrink. And hey, that's an option too.
 
I was lucky. I had some pretty nice holidays, until the first year I did not. There where signs that this was coming, but how was I supposed to know? I had just turned twelve. My mother chose that day to "nervously collapse" and the day ended with myself and my three older sisters locked out of the house at midnight. Dad brought us back to his place to sleep, after sending us four children to have dinner by ourselves at a restaurant earlier, while he and his live-in girlfriend had several guests around their very large dinning room table (Pool table, literally.). The next day he sent us home and nothing more was said for many years. I went on a suicide watch of my mother that lasted well into my 20's and that became my normal. Suicide watch aside, I made my own attempt at ending my life shortly after that Christmas.

For my twenty-third Christmas I got a diagnosis of Crohn's disease and a dis-invitation to family Christmas with my mother and sibs. Dad, now married to said girl, wouldn't have me for Christmas saying that it was all kids there or none. What did I do to be dis-invited? Don't know. The good news is, neither did my mother. Oh, there where the excuses, mostly my my mother scape-goated on my sisters', but they weren't true.

What was true was at this time that I needed my family most, but we hadn't recovered from the Christmas now half a life time ago for me, or from one more recent holiday when my mother beat on daughter number three and I came home to our Christmas tree out on the lawn, the smell of putrid water all over the hall carpet and my mother in her darkened bedroom having killed most of a bottle of wine (She didn't normally drink.), crying for my sister and later waking me from sleep
screaming for my sister.

That was twenty years ago and in that time I've spent the day with friends I love, friends who've become family, family of friends, friends I liked, no one at all, and very ill with no one at all.

After my mother dis-invited me, I did try to reconnect. I kept my mouth shut as Dr Phil suggested to those girls, and for  one Christmas I watched as gifts where given to my sisters,
but not to me. I was in need of anything that year, hell, underwear would have been gold. The Crohn's added to pre-existing financial and vocational lackings.  And another year, the last attempt, I was shut out with silence for choosing to spend the morning with sister-friend (Everyone knew of my plans well before hand.) and came later in the day than was expected
due to not having a car and being too far to manage travel on my own. Silence is a horrible Christmas gift.

My sisters have now have switched allegiance to my dad and now exclude both my mother and myself, but for different reasons. My dad changed the rule of all or none to suit himself. As near as I can tell, my mother had issues with Christmas that she passed down. She hurt us terribly other times of the year, but at Christmas these woundings become heightened by the relief holidays are supposed to provide. These wounds and betrayals have become the rationalizations for staying apart and are too complicated for the holidays to bare or to heal. Too bad, too sad.

There are lingering resentments to this day felt by all of us. And despite my having come close to death twice in the past 5 years, nothing is changed. I matter no more to my family now than I did 10 or 20, or 30, years ago.

I am not a bad person, I didn't steal from my family or do anything that could justify my being excluded; I wonder about those who are lucky enough to have been forgiven their humanity, and their sins, and who have loving family to be with. Do they know how blessed they are? I suspect that they do. I was smart enough to come up with the same ideas Dr Phil advised, and they didn't work; in so far as working means being included, welcomed, by my family for Christmas.  The best Christmas wish I carry is having my family be happy to be with me on Christmas, hell I'll take a Saturday in June . But that's like expecting Santa to show up for real.

The holidays cannot meet the expectation for our mothers, fathers, sisters or brothers, to see us and love us and reflect us, unless they are already doing that. Despite the metaphor of this Christian day, there is no hope for the holidays when you are shunned by your family.

I have made my own decisions and compromises. I have endured the days alone when I've had no other choice, mostly due to illness and not wanting to inflict that on others on Christmas. I know my limitations and respect them. I hate to decorate Christmas trees, but I'm good with one in the house. I cook and buy gifts when I can. I listen to Christmas music on the eve and day only and sometimes I'll sing along. I sit at the table and at least nibble, even when I cannot eat without pain. And I surround myself with whomever will understand that I cannot eat now or that I need to
sleep for a bit to get through the day, and that I'm going to have my blue moments when my losses surface unbidden.

Last year I was days away from a four month admission to hospital, but I got through the day and gave of myself what I could. If I had been with my family they would have shamed me for not doing more and resented me for coming, for being so ill, for lying on the couch and participating only by watching and listening; there would have been subtle punishments for spoiling their good time. So I know being with family is not an option, but knowing that solves nothing, heals nothing and quite honestly hurts like a bastard.

Each year I fight to keep at bay the past images and feelings of anger and abandonment. I live for a month depressed, waiting for December to be over, but smiling every chance I get.

I will see the members of my family who want to see me . Even if it's only obligation on their  part,  or because they want to alleviate their own guilt, I will not bring up the past or the present hurts.

I will always miss the idea of "family," if not the reality. I will know that I am willingly excluded, despite the obligatory calls.

I love the one's I'm with on Christmas day and am grateful that I haven't turned bitter (feeling anger is not the same as being bitter) or biting because of all that has happened to me.

Dr. Phil's advice missed completely, and that is unfortunate. I know, it's impossible to solve a family's litany of problems in just a couple of segments. But I saw that mother's face, and the daughters, and there was not a lot of love there. The girls seemed willing; they even said out loud what it would take, but the mother was not asked if she was willing to keep her mouth shut, listen, or act with care.

Mother daughter wounds are deep and I think it's possible, despite Dr. Phil's offer to provide therapy, that this may have done more harm than good. Will it, I wonder, give the mother more justification to abandon some of her children? I hope not.

It would have been nice to see Dr Phil help these women to listen and see each other with more understanding; it would have been a Christmas freaking miracle to have them know that this year it would be different. But, like I said, there is no segmental healing for this kind of wounding...
Not even Christmas has that power.

I wish the mother and all of her children Peace, , but most of all the ability to respond with an understanding that grows love and heals wounds...,

Blessing to you, estranged mother's and daughters,
Blessing to you, whom have taken the time to read this,
Blessing to those who don't see themselves as blessed.

 
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December 15, 2006, 10:17 am PST

Christmas is a good time!!!!

I know that everyone has had there share of trials and tribulations during theirs lives, but Christmas is a time when people should just put aside the problems they have and enjoy their friends and family.  In 1995, I was ten years old and found that my dad had inoperable brain tumors the day after Christmas.  Two weeks later my one and half year old brother passed away from congestive heart failure.  So yes, I do understand that the holidays can be a rough time for people, but they shouldn't allow it to destroy the holiday season for everyone else.  I still celebrate Christmas and enjoy it.  With bad times also comes good times and the good times are the ones people should let fill their hearts at this time of togetherness and love.

~Krystal~

 
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December 15, 2006, 11:53 am PST

12/13 Holiday Horror Stories

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I know that everyone has had there share of trials and tribulations during theirs lives, but Christmas is a time when people should just put aside the problems they have and enjoy their friends and family.  In 1995, I was ten years old and found that my dad had inoperable brain tumors the day after Christmas.  Two weeks later my one and half year old brother passed away from congestive heart failure.  So yes, I do understand that the holidays can be a rough time for people, but they shouldn't allow it to destroy the holiday season for everyone else.  I still celebrate Christmas and enjoy it.  With bad times also comes good times and the good times are the ones people should let fill their hearts at this time of togetherness and love.

Krystal

Now, you would have real reason for Christmas to be painful, but you choose to remember the good, (not forget the bad of course) and take in life as it happens. GOOD FOR YOU! I'm so sorry you lost your father and brother.

This is the reason I love this time of year. Good cheer breeds good cheer. Your post made me smile, and made me tear up a bit, but also made me realize how good your attitude has served YOU well over the years!

You have a REAL reason to feel Christmas pain and you choose not to.

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December 15, 2006, 1:10 pm PST

Thank u for the kind wise words...

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I noticed you wrote you are in Ohio,are educated, have 3 educated children and 6 grandchildren. Maybe your Dr. can adjust your antidepresants for the holiday season. Also, I don't know the ages of your grandchildren or children but can you go to their place for a x-mas meal? you know, just watching one of the many x-mas movies on TV geared to their age group they would probably love your company. You have depression so keep things simple. If they are little, read to them. Make hot chocolate for them after they've been outside. their Mom would love someone to help out with them most likely. Also, you work part time. It's just a day. Take a bubble bath , go over to your kids if you can. The depression is more serious than hating the holidays ,so give your Dr. a call. and keep up with the church activities.God bless!

...and hopefully I can and do try to implement all of this.  Thank God I have very unselfish kids and grandkids and they fully understand my concerns and ask for very little if anything except my company and that I am in partially good health that day and every day.  I guess all this stems from growing up with great Christmas times where finances were never a concern and realizing that I have gotten to this age and cannot continue what I was familiar with.  Perhaps it would have been better to grown up poor and advance instead of going backward as I see it.  (smile)!  See, I tried to manage a smile.  I will dine with one of them here (the others are in other states) and I will manage the baking and hot chocolate; I even minimally decorated and I will for sure be in church but... it's not the easiest thing to do but I will make every effort.  I will keep it simple.  Yep, I work only part time now due disabilities and in my youth I did not follow the wise wisdom of saving for a rainy day and now they are here  Perhaps my meds to need adjusting?  ya think?  I will check into that.  Again, thank you and Merry Christmas. 

PS:  I just wanted "wonderful" Dr. Phil to get a grip and realize that the holidays are not all they are kicked up to be by many people in this world.  I think the late Charles Linberg had a saying from his dear mother which was "If wishes were horses; then beggars might ride"!  That was my point and to let him know that "in his shoes, of course I would love Christmas"!  :)

 
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December 15, 2006, 1:13 pm PST

I Did! I Did!...

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 Hi - I've been in a similar economic situation & continue to scrimp wherever I can.  Have you looked on Craigs List or Ebay or in re-sale toy stores for Legos for your grandchild?  Wrap used items well & the child won't realize they are not brand new!  You can also buy small Lego kits at discount stores for under $10 in my area.  Yes, most folks have to make decisions about what they really want to give/do vs what they can afford to give/do & where they must cut back to afford any "treats" at all.  Life is hard - vote Democratic & maybe we can look forward to a little more equity in the future!  I agree it's exasperating to hear about the great wealth of Phil, Oprah, the Bush family,the Kennedys,Trump,etc. - some of them are most deserving, others not so much!  I pray for significant positive social & economic change in our lifetime.
...vote Dem but I still hold no hope for equity, not in this life but I keep hope alive in spite of my depression and my holiday woes and the fact that the real reason for the season is long forgotten.  Thanks for your suggestions.  I'll try but I will still be as giddy as can be when the 26th is here.  smile!  And the same will be the case for next year so I have 11 months to fully enjoy.  Merry Christmas to  you and yours. 
 
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December 15, 2006, 1:16 pm PST

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Well  people should put all there problems aside and enjoy christmas!  Everyone has problems sometime in there life!  But  sometimes you have to put them aside and  be happy for  your family and try to make the best of it!!   Christmas is all about Jesus Christ!  Also love!!!!
 
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December 15, 2006, 1:18 pm PST

I suppose

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I'm really sorry that Christmas is so hard for you.  I hope you can focus on your church activities, music, and other aspects of the season that bring you some satisfaction.  I don't know the specifics of your situation, but I hope you can find some happiness in knowing that you control how much commercialism you allow into your attitude toward Christmas.  Even the Grinch realized that, "Maybe Christmas, perhaps, doesn't come from a store / Maybe Christmas, perhaps, means a little bit more."  Try to share that message with your grandson, and don't worry so much about what you can or can't get him.  I promise you that he'll remember the experiences he shares with you far more than any present you bought him.

 

Please know that you're in my thoughts.

... good parenting rubbed off as my kids and grandkids really have no problem with my situation and they do simply enjoy just being around.  My daughter even called me to ensure I would be at her house for her work-related Christmas party and I told her I was surprised she wanted the old lady around all of her young friends and she said, of course I do --- you have to cook the good stuff I still can't do.  We had a great laugh about that last evening.  So I will focus on your nice wishes and the real reason for the season and my cooking duties that I have now been tasked with.  How about that?  Merry Christmas to you and yours.  I think the Grinch was right.  Maybe next year things will be better and if not; I will try to refocus my thoughts more on the positive instead of what I perceive as negative.  Dr. Phil still should get a grip (hahaha) however; as he is tangibly more blessed than many in the richest country in the world and of course, he would love Christmas.  I just wanted him to see the flip side of the coin.  I think there are more "me's" than he's?  ya think?
 
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