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Robin and Dr. Phil both grew up in unstable family environments due to an alcoholic parent. In her new book, Inside My Heart, Robin explains the choices she made to become the best woman, wife and mother she could be, and the circumstance behind those choices. See how her biggest struggle helped her make a choice about the type of man she would marry. Then, Jill says her husband, James, used to be adored as the mayor of their community, but now he’s the town drunk, an embarrassment to the family and the neighborhood. She says he’s a horrible influence to their 15-year-old son, Robert, and is spending their life savings on booze. James has been sober for six weeks since being arrested and ordered to wear an ankle bracelet that will detect alcohol in his system. He thinks he must know why he drinks in order to stop drinking for good. Dr. Phil and Robin have an important message for Robert, who has only recently seen his father sober. Next, a daughter’s words send her famous father into rehab. Known as the voice of the NFL, Pat Summerall has a message to anyone who struggles with alcoholism. Join the discussion.

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December 15, 2006, 6:47 am PST

Alcoholism

My twin sister has lived with a Alcohlic for 20 years and still lives with this man. On Aug 18 2005 our world turn upside down. There oldest daughter Halley got killed in a car wreck. It was the most worst time in our lifes. I thought when she died he would stop drinking but that didn't happen. My brother in-law drinks everyday and more. Now that Halley has past away he thinks he has a good reason to do it. This bad to say but I use to wonder why did God take this sweet child away from us. Why not him. But now I know Halley is in a wonder place now. I hate to see my twin go through this. I know she feels sorry for him. But I want her to get a back bone and get out of this relationship. But she has to make this choice to stay or leave. They have a another daughter who is now 19 and she drinks to. I'm so scared that something going to happen to her. I pray for her to keep her safe. I know she drinks because of what happen to Halley. This family needs help. I know they do. My brother in-law has been in rehab but it didn't work. I don't know what to do anymore. My sister might move in with me after the first of the year. I hope so cause life is to short and you never know what the next  day will bring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someone can help me with this. 
 
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December 15, 2006, 6:56 am PST

life's lessons

This time of year I think of the lonely Christmas's as a child.....as young as six yrs old I was the babysitter for my little sister every Christmas cause my Mom stayed in bed all day and my Dad worked a double on the railroad so other men he worked with could spend Christmas with their families. We always had clothes, toys, food, just no one was ever there for me to talk to or get a hug or kiss from. My Dad was a "working alcoholic" and was forced to marry my Mom cause she was pregnant with me and that was how things were done back then. They hated each other and I was just a bad reminder whenever they looked at me. My little sister was conceived in hopes it would "fix" their marriage, but it didn't. She was a beautiful child and a good little girl so she was prized in the family where I was the brat...fat, mischievous, unhappy, and mouthy....the black sheep. I never understood why they didn't like me even though they never said that, until the day my Mom died from a fall in our bathroom. She slipped on the ceramic tiles in our bathroom and hit her head on the tub, bursting an aneurysm in her brain we never knew about. She was 39 yrs old and I was 19 yrs old at the time. I was trying to sleep on my Aunt's sofa later that day and heard her tell a relative about Mom's shotgun wedding and unplanned and unwanted pregnancy with me. That is when everything fell into place and I understood why they hated me so much. It makes me sad to think about it to this day and I am now 59, but a loveless marriage must have been so hard for my parent's and I do understand life isn't always fair.
 
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December 15, 2006, 7:00 am PST

Postscript to life's lessons.....

I forgot to mention that two marriages to alcoholics and two sad divorces, SEVEN years of counseling, and meeting the man of my dreams at age 53 and marrying him two years later...FOUR of the happiest years of my life now. Just had to kiss a whole lot of frogs to find the PRINCE!!!
 
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December 15, 2006, 7:19 am PST

children of addicts

  Children of addicts internalize everything and take it as a personal failure when their parents can't stop.  A lot of times, THEY have to be the parent and take responsibility, which is a lot to ask of a child of ANY age.  They're robbed of childhood and it forms a pattern for who they become later on.  They will never get that back, and they have a huge hill to climb to over come it.

 

But they can overcome the feelings of abandonment and break the pattern.  They can say "I will try with all my being not to slipslope into becoming my parents for the sake of MY children, if not for me".  It isn't an easy thing to do, and their's a lot of genetics involved with how likely you are to have an addictive personality. 

 

But if you look back after you've raised your children in the best environment you know how, you'll have self satisfaction in knowing that you did something not only for your children, but for your great grandchildren, and you've left your imprint and you had a positive impact for other people down the line.

 

 

 
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December 15, 2006, 7:54 am PST

Can't stand the unpredicability

First of all I can't wait to see the show today.  It really helps me to read everyone's posts, thanks for sharing.  I am living with a alcholic, I am to the point where I am emotionally detached to this person.  I have been with this peson for 10 years.  I never know what kind of a mood he is going to be in.  The last couple days he has trying to be nice.  Probably because he was such a nasty jerk the end of last week.  He is very emotionally abusive, in the past very verbally abusive, and has been physically abusive.  I am the type of person who hates conflict, I am a peace keeper.  This person is sooo manipulitive, I can't stand it!    And when I try to stand up for myself or tell him he did something wrong, he begins to yell.  It becomes a one sided yelling match.  I feel  depressed and I think I am finally to the end of my rope.  Everyone close to me wants me out of my relationship.  I want to set myself up with another residence for myself, but this person has totally diminished my credit, my finances and so on.  Its not going to be easy.  Does anyone have any good advice?  And why these people are so manipulitve and how to deal with these manipulators?  Thanks!
 
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December 15, 2006, 8:00 am PST

Where to Go from Here

I just finished watching the show about being a child of an alcoholic. How fitting it is right before the holidays because although we all know that daily life with alcoholic parents was so much fun, the holidays were even better! I can relate to everything and then some of what was said today. Driving with a father that was so drunk that my 4 sisters and I were scared to death and sometimes I even wished for death because the constant unknown when we got in the car was too much. The abnormal worries we had to face at such an early age, the vows to never be like them and the perserverance it takes to get through our daily lives with children of our own. My husband and I are fullly aware of what we have on our plate. But, we have 4 children of our own now. How much education do we give them about the effects of alcohol without harping and is it an extreme to not let them see any alcohol. Is this realistic? We do not want to alter their childhood by what we went through, but that is a part of us and we just don't know how to really get through this situation. One day at a time we know, but I wish there were some parenting skills for this. Any advice out there?
 
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December 15, 2006, 8:13 am PST

I took a stand

I am 37 yrs old and married to a reformed alcoholic, we have been together since I was 14 yrs old. I have seen him through all the horrible times of his alcoholism. In the beginning I did everything possible to make it safe and took care of him, such as driving for him, getting him in bed when he passed out, or if he vomited on himself. After years of this it wasn't enough, he started taking off and disappearing for weekends on me, but I would allow him to come home on Sunday. Again, after a year of that, I had enough and we broke up and I was going to move away. But he asked me to marry him and promised to make changes. Now keep in mind, I was only 18 yrs old at this time, so I had seen a lot and been through a lot at such a young age. Almost 2 yrs later we got married and had our first child together within a year, and another within a year and half later. But during this time he never stopped drinking, although he cut back somewhat, and the disappearing acts no longer took place. He still drank. And to me, any drinking at all was unacceptable. So my goal was to spare my children any of this. Because my husband was raised in an alcoholic home, but it went beyond that it was also a home that had domestic violence as well. Now my husband was not abusive in anyway, I still did not like the person he was when he drank. So I finally made the decision and informed him, when you came home with beer, I was taking the kids and leaving. Now after me leaving for the night with the kids a couple times. He started to realize that I was no longer the enabler, that took care of him and watched over him.  Well, one night he came home with his beer and I left, but I left my son's bottle at home and had to return home to get it, upon our return, my children at the time 2 1/2 yrs old and 1 1/2 yrs old found their father on the porch passed out. I decided to leave him where he was and took the kids in the house. I made the decision to stay, because now that my kids had seen him there, they were convinced that their daddy was sick. Well, my youngest was convinced he was dead. Finally after some time he did come into the house and to bed and they finally felt better and went to sleep themselves. But the next morning was the finally morning for my husband to nurse a hangover. Because I told him then and there, if he ever made me look like a horrible person in the eyes of my children again I would leave and he would never see me again and quite possible his kids as well. It was his choice...drinking or a family. It may seem harsh and mean....but I felt it had to be done and he has been sober since and my children do not remember that day and have been spared a life of living with an alcoholic father. They know of his woes...and for that both of my teenage children CHOOSE NOT TO DRINK! Thank God.
 
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December 15, 2006, 8:15 am PST

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I grew up with an alcoholic mother.  Now I am 32 and she has been sober for 8 mths.   I realized that no matter how much someone hurts their family by drinking, they will not stop until they are ready.  It took a physicain prescribing medication and my mother finding out how bad her health was to want to stop.  Now, 8 mths later, she looks 10 years younger and is extremely happy minus the fact that she still lives with her ex-drinking partner.  She is working on resolving that marriage because she has realized that as a recovering addict, she can't live with someone who still drinks.  Thank you and your wife for having a show on this topic.  I felt the pain that the 15 year old boy did for many years.  He will find happiness.  As a grown woman with 2 children of my own, have choosen  not to let my children grow up in the environment of an alcholic.
 
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December 15, 2006, 8:32 am PST

what about mom

In this show I felt that the approach of  Dr. Phi and Robin was more focused on the reasonings of children of alcoholics who suffered great pain. Whereas their focus appeared more on the 15 year old son and of course the alcoholic father, makes sense....but I didn't feel that the mother received the attention in this disfunctional situation as she should have.  Normally a good mother has a lifelong dedication to the structure and survival of her family, but when she is hit with something like this, there is not enough time for her to express her pain and her misguided direction, because she is thrown so far off her course.  I imagine one could feel so empty and useless.  She may have made the choice to stay in the marriage, perhaps because she is too afraid to leave.  The guilt I imagine is really really great, because we mothers take on this responsibilty of making everything go right and when it goes so wrong, there is an incredible sense of guilt and failure.  I just wish I could have seen where her efforts and/or intentions acknowleged and help for her in all this as well as her son and her husband.

 
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December 15, 2006, 8:39 am PST

12/15 Children of Addicts

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This show hasnt aired yet here but I cant wait to see it.  I left home at 14 as my father was and still is an abusive alcoholic and drug addict and my mother is a drug addict.  I took my younger sister in a year later when she was 10 years old and she lived with me and my partner (now husband of 6 years - been togther 10) until she was 18.  We put her through high school and she is now at university to become a high school teacher.  As a result of what living in that environment did to my childhood I have made a consious decision not to drink.  I have 2 children and am currently expecting our 3rd any day now, the thought of putting them though what I went though brings me to tears.  I cant understand how any parent can subject there children to a life like that.  i missed out on what should have been the best years of my childhood because of my parents selfishness and yes I do still hold alot of anger towards them for it.  Anger which I know I should let go of but just cant yet. 

 

Believe me there is nothing you can't get through. I have been through about everything. From being molested as a child, being raped as a teenager and having a child from it. To also having 4 men that my mom married who where alcoholics. Luckily the last one stopped drinking. I have seen my mom being abused and been through many other things. You name it and I have been through it. My husband was also an alcoholic he passed away in 1991. We never recieved toys for christmas or birthdays. Always hand me down clothes. There isn't much I havent been through.

To this day I still don't have money I live on a fix income. I can't work because of my health but I am greatfull to the Lord for what I do have. I now have all kinds of problems with my health. I have a severe back injury, Multiple Sclerosis and fibromyalgia. I am in pain 24/7. I am scared ever year that medicaid might say I make to much. They say I can live off of 630 a month and stop me from getting medicaid. What can I do though? Accept what life throws me and go on thats what I can do and also ask God to help me get through it.

I learned to forgive everyone for what was done to me. As for my what happen in my life and my health thats just life. I decided years ago I can either let it eat me up inside or get over it and go on with life. So thats what I did. Sure I have some mighty bad days but I believe there are a lot more people out there that has it worse than I do so I am not going to feel sorry for my self. I am told I have a great since of humor. Hopefull one day everyone who is out there that is holding onto that anger can try an forgive and they can start enjoying life to the fullest and one day have a great since of humor like I do.

Don't hold it in. The anger will eat you up inside and its not doing you or anyone around you any good to stay that way. Please let it go and start trying to enjoy life. If you don't your still letting what ever or who ever it is control your life. You don't want that.

I know it hard believe me, if anyone should know how hard life is I do. Yes, it is bad what people do to other people but we can get over it if we try. There will be good days and bad ones thats life. Enjoy what life you have left, its alot more fun if you do. Laughter is the best medicine I try to do a lot of it. May God bless you all with a better life for the coming years.

 
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