Topic : How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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Are you in a relationship that has been negatively affected by porn? Has pornography destroyed, or about to destroy your marriage? Is there hope for a relationship when one partner is addicted to porn? Share your advice and support here with others.

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March 27, 2007, 10:23 am PDT

You bring up a very good point...

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I've been away and glad you found out that I certainly have anyone's back who is in your situation.  I have been going through this for years with my husband and I can tell you that catching him or monitoring him will probably only hurt you more. It won't stop it and only sticks another knife in you.  I have confronted him several times and until this weekend, he always denied that he uses porn. My approach this time was to calmly tell him I knew he was using again and I wanted to discuss what this was doing to our intimacy. At first he denied it, then I calmly told him I was just about dead inside and I wasn't going to leave him for using porn. My point being that I wanted him to own what he does - stop denying or lying - and listen to me explain how every time I "catch" him, part of my love (and respect) for him dies and when that was gone, our marriage was over. I think once he knew I wasn't going to yell, cry or leave - he could admit he has used porn on and off for the 30 years we've been married. I don't know that we settled anything, but getting him to admit that he uses porn is a big step.

about what sex addiction specialists call "Co-addiction".  It's not the easiest thing in the world to understand or articulate, but the basic idea is that an addict in a family actually causes other members of the family to be drawn into the addiction in some way, shape, form, or fashion.  To be more specific, spouses of the addict, in some cases, tend to obsess about their husband/wife's addiction, in effect, becoming addicted to their spouse's addiction (I told you it wasn't easy to understand or articulate :^)).

Some women become enraged, lashing out verbally or physically at their sex-addicted (or alcoholic or drug addicted) spouse, making matters worse.  Some women become obsessed with "checking up" on their husbands, checking the history files on the computer, searching their homes/cars/offices for 'contraband', checking their underwear in the clothes hamper, etc. etc. etc.  It becomes an obsession that these women are powerless to, and hence, they are co-addicted.

Another example of co-addiction would be sheltering or enabling the addict, and it could take many forms.  Lying for him, covering up for his behavior, denying his behavior, making excuses for him, and on and on and on.

Communication is the first step towards exposing the reality of the problem and taking the turn down the road of recovery.  Demand rigorous honesty.

 
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March 27, 2007, 11:11 am PDT

I've been a co-addict

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about what sex addiction specialists call "Co-addiction".  It's not the easiest thing in the world to understand or articulate, but the basic idea is that an addict in a family actually causes other members of the family to be drawn into the addiction in some way, shape, form, or fashion.  To be more specific, spouses of the addict, in some cases, tend to obsess about their husband/wife's addiction, in effect, becoming addicted to their spouse's addiction (I told you it wasn't easy to understand or articulate :)).

Some women become enraged, lashing out verbally or physically at their sex-addicted (or alcoholic or drug addicted) spouse, making matters worse.  Some women become obsessed with "checking up" on their husbands, checking the history files on the computer, searching their homes/cars/offices for 'contraband', checking their underwear in the clothes hamper, etc. etc. etc.  It becomes an obsession that these women are powerless to, and hence, they are co-addicted.

Another example of co-addiction would be sheltering or enabling the addict, and it could take many forms.  Lying for him, covering up for his behavior, denying his behavior, making excuses for him, and on and on and on.

Communication is the first step towards exposing the reality of the problem and taking the turn down the road of recovery.  Demand rigorous honesty.

by your very defination (obsessively checking up on him to name one). I finally just ask myself what I wanted and not being his porn cop was one of the answers. When I was tempted to get all upset and spend endless hours doing another search, I took a deep breath and said "Piss on it!" It doesn't do any good and just keeps me upset and going around in circles. I was very honest when we had our talk and told him things I had previously kept to myself. I felt much better about me and it lifted some of the weight off me.  When I started believing I was in charge of my life - no matter what he did or didn't do - it empowered me. I'm still with him for my own reasons that I own and don't feel guilty about.  He told me his porn use had absolutely nothing to do with me and has never affected his love for me.  He just puts that part of his life in a compartment, so to speak.  At least when we are calmly talking and being honest, I can understand how he sees it without taking it so personally. ANd that's really important. I hope the honesty contiues and maybe next, he'll actually admit he masturbates.
 
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March 27, 2007, 4:30 pm PDT

wanted to bring this forward

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Thank you!

It is the first post I made here.

 

THERE"S A PLACE FOR US! is the title.

 

US! those of us who have been hurt by porn...let's make sure we keep this board as it was intended for! PLEASE!

 
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March 27, 2007, 4:56 pm PDT

thanks for your post yamama...

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I think I've already mentioned this to you in the past, but instead of seeking the opinions of people who have no understanding of addiction, and who have obviously not studied addiction in any way, shape, or form, in shaping your own opinion on the subject, please do yourself a favor and read some literature on the subject that has been written by psychologists who have studied sexual addiction for years and years.  There are MANY such books at your local bookstore, or can be ordered discreetly from Amazon or Borders online.

 

To scoff at the implications of early childhood development and it's affect on the developing mind is to ignore decades of documented evidence on the subject.

 

Another word for 'Addiction' is 'POWERLESSNESS', which you would know had you read any literature on the subject.  It sounds nice and good and probably makes you feel more comfortable to think that everyone simply has the POWER to change their compulsive behavior patterns, but facts show that exactly the OPPOSITE is true of addict;  THEY ARE POWERLESS TO THEIR ACTING OUT BEHAVIORS, HENCE THEY ARE ADDICTED TO THEM!!!

 

In fact, one of the hardest things in the world for addicts to realize and accept, and one of the most important parts of recovery from addiction, is realizing that WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THESE BEHAVIORS ON OUR OWN!  We are powerless to these behaviors, and hence, we are addicted to them.  One of the biggest mistakes an addict can make, and nearly ALL OF US (addicts, that is) HAVE MADE THIS MISTAKE, is to think that we alone can handle our problems, that we can 'beat' our addiction, that we have the power to change.  The simple fact of the matter is, we don't.  Unless and until an addict realizes this, they will remain an addict, pure and simple.

 

I'm not posting this to castigate you or to insult you in any way.  I used to think the way that you think, back when I was engrossed in my full-blown sex addiction.  I thought addiction was a myth, an excuse for self-destructive behavior.  I thought that people who were addicts were just weak-minded, pathetic, wastes of life.  At the time, I didn't even realize that I WAS AN ADDICT!  Boy was I wrong!

 

Please, if you're truly interested in learning the realities of porn and sex addiction, or addiction in general, PLEASE go buy "Don't Call It Love" or ANY other literature on the subject.  I think it will open your eyes.

Hi..I just wanted to say thank-you for your post, I'm sorry IF I sounded harsh, and your right I do need to read up on the subject..thanks for your info..I have no doubt, that men have been affected by their upbringing by their father's...but, I'm sure there's also some men, that view porn becasue they just 'want to'...and when coming to these boards, I just wanted to understand...no judging...I have learned a lot since coming to these boards, and I know still more to learn...All I say is how I feel inside, and feelings of others that I've spoken to...but, perhaps your right and we need to study up on things...but, a lot of times when we come to boards, we come also to learn to understand...to support and help...In all the addictions a person can have, still wouldn't that person just admit to themselves as having a problem..and seeing that it is hurting others...THEN, they will seek help?  and not hide it, even for yrs?  and do anyone of you feel, that when you're that other person...(the one getting hurt) is it better to leave them..? so, as not enabling them?  I was with my ex b/f for 6 yrs...and I feel NOW yrs. later, that I probably taught him, how to teach me...I didn't know that then, as I was only 19...but, sometimes I wonder, had I of left him..(for him to get help) would he of?  was staying, teaching HIM that it was ok?  I found out that HIS dad slapped him, for punishment..it obviously distrubed him very much...he never went for counseling...but, isn't that HIS responability to do?  FOR HIM so as NEVER to hurt another person....?  and what does that mean/or tell when he doesn't in his lifetime?  Does that mean he just doesn't give a 'damn'?  So, IF someone has an addiction like porn, gambling, shoplifting, drinking or drugs...isn't it THEIR responsibility to SEEK HELP...?  instead, of waiting (hiding) it for yrs?  just wondering...see, to me..(and please it's just me thinking) IF I had an addiction to ANY of those things..or let's say I have an addiction to the computer...well, I would eventually see that it is affecting someone else?  or, taking me away from doing more productive things in my life...OR in the case of those other addictions, I would just plain think THEY'RE WRONG...I know right from wrong...and although, I can understand not admitting to oneself..BUT, eventually (and not yrs) a person has to know it's  NOT right...and seek help for it...but, I certainly will do some reading up on it.....thank-you   Dee
 
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March 28, 2007, 12:00 am PDT

How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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I just wanted to say Thank you... yes indeed I did feel like I was completely over reacting to my husbands visual needs, especially compared to some of the other posts.  My self esteem is so low right now and I just can't seem to get it back with the continual stimulation that I see he needs on a daily basis and when I say daily its for a couple of hours looking on the WWE site

at the barely clothed girls, then on to say You Tube to see the clips people have posted and if

anyones seen them they can get quite racey, then on to Curves sites.... and so on.  I've blocked his favorite porn sites, the reason...  he promised he wouldn't do it anymore if it makes me feel bad, so he's not on those but probably not by his choice.  He did see a therapist in the past  but quit that as he really see's no harm in the sites that he is currantly on.  Although reading the other posts regarding why someone is addicted to porn follows true in regards to his relationship with his father.  I guess I just feel that he really doesn't desire me...  I am the one who initiates our intimacy.  Like I said,  I'm no prude and I'd really

like it more often than I'm getting it and try to dress sexy for him, but he never comes to me for it.  If I didn't start it... it would never happen.   I'm only 5'3" and 117 lbs with a very athletic build so its not that he can't look at me! 

I just feel that he happier looking at other woman and if he does "put out" he' not really thinking of me, he's with someone else.... my mind starts wandering that if someone approaches him

that visually excites him.. is that the next step?  Infidelity??  Because I obviously don't make him

happy!  I'm to the point where I don't know what to say anymore, I feel I either have to accept this

and be unhappy or move on... I really believe in marriage but when someone continues to hurt

you over and over again and has promised not to do these things that hurt me... and then tries to

hide them by deleting it all from the computer.  This is not a healthy relationship.  One thing that

I do want to add...  maybe its wrong of me but I've downloaded "Spector Pro" a monitoring system on my computer, so I know where he's been and how often he's been there and its out of hand!   thank you again jljs53.  It is nice to have somewhere to go and speak about the way

I'm really feeling.

Hi Potomac

You have made many good points. It is not a healthy relationship when one of the partners is lying, hiding and deceiving. If porn is a problem for one then it is a problem for the marriage. You are not over reacting and his porn problem has nothing to do with you, not even a tiny bit. It has nothing to do with the way you look or how you are or are not in the bedroom. Excessive use of porn is like a mask. It covers the porn users feelings. He is trying to avoid intimacy, and negative feelings instead of dealing with them. These feelings are often anger or rejection for example that go back to childhood. These men have not learned coping skills for dealing with the negatives in life so turn to porn for escape and fantasy instead of reality. His porn problems are his and have nothing to do with you.

I believe in love and marriage too. I think there is always hope for resolving porn issues. When these are exhausted then for some divorce might be the answer. I knew without a doubt that I could not live with porn as a third party in our marriage so staying under those circumstances for me was not a choice. As women, wives and human beings we deserve love and respect as do our mates. Porn hurts us and disrespects us. This crossed my boundary. It went over the line of who I am. My boundary was no porn. My consequence was if there was porn there would be no '' me'' He then had to make his own choice. He chose to get help.

Porn is an assault to human dignity. It thrives in darkness and secrecy. So by confronting it and dealing with it you are shining a light on it. Tell him how you feel about him, his porn use and lack of intimacy and sex. Educate yourself on what the use of porn does to a user and to a relationship. Use this board to vent, ask questions or comment.

Trust your gut feelings.

I used a monitoring system in the beginning too. Some agree with them and some don't. I agree with them as it gave me peace of mind and my brain did not have to go in circles wondering if he was being truthful. It also gave me complete confidence when I confronted him. I knew exactly what I was talking about and he could not lie his way out of it, confuse me or say anything that would have me doubt myself. This was actually a breaking point for him and a starting place for his recovery. He could not deny to me or himself any longer. The negative side of this for you is becoming obsessed with his porn use. So don't spend all your time and energy on checking the computer. Once you know that it is out of hand then there is nothing more except more of the same. Use that time and energy on yourself. Discover your boundaries and what you can and can't live with. Couples do make it thru this but it takes time and hard work.   take care   jljs

 
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March 28, 2007, 1:22 am PDT

How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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Hello all, I am new to the boards. This is my first time posting as a matter of fact. But after reading everything on here, it helps to know someone else out there has same feelings and understands some of the things I am feeling right now. I read in one of the postings where someone said, if it was someone else, she would tell them to leave the relationship, but when its you in the relationship it seems to be more difficult to follow such good advice.That rang very true in my circumstances. My husband and I have been together almost 18 yrs, married for soon to be 15. He is a good husband in most aspects, well tempered, works hard and he is has always been a great father to my daugher who is from a previous marriage. But a few years ago I found out my husband was a internet porn addict. At first I didnt think too much about it, men being men and all. But then I came across a bunch of commuications between him and a woman he had been online chatting with, she was very serious. To the point she was ready to leave her husband and come and move in and have a happily ever after relationship with 'my' husband. She claimed she didnt realize he was married, that we were seperated. Either way I confronted him, he said he never meant it to go so far. And he ended it, swore never happen again, etc. Well, a few other times since we have had problems over his addiction to looking at porn, because one usually runs to the other as far as I am concerned.  Each time, he has asked for forgiveness, says he loves me, accepts he needs help..etc..

Well, now here we are and I have found he is doing it again. I get that tight sick feeling in my stomach, you know, where you know something is not right. So I looked into his computer. He has been on porn sites, porn message boards, etc. I am more than sure there has been emails between he and someone else, just dont know to what extent.

I just cant keep living like this, I am so lonely. Miserable. Self esteem is shot to hell. You see, a few years ago I worked full time as a loan officer, had a great career, nice car, nice home, made more money than he did. I was on top of the world personally. Then I had a car accident, and since I have been disabled. I am looking at some major surgeries, medications have cause some of my teeth to basically fall apart, I am diabetic, high blood pressure, and heart problems plus the accident issues. I have gained weight due to not being as active as I once was. So with all of this combined, my self esteem is not very high anyways, and now with the fact my husband who I love dearly has chosen to spend his time and energy on porn and other fantasy women, is just too much. We have no sex life, and its not even the sex I miss so much as it is the intimacy. I do not feel loved and no one should have to feel that way. I just don't know what to do at this point. Its hard to walk away from 18 yrs with someone and its become even harder to stay. Its like if I stay, I am allowing myself to be treated this way. I know considering some of your sitiations my seems rather mild, he is not abusive, nor does he even drink or do drugs or gamble. But as many of you know, when you are the one in the particular situation, then its major.

I always thought we would grow old together, that we would always be there for support and to have each other to lean on. Now, I just don't know. I dont think he can change at this point, so that means I either have to accept things the way they are or I need to make a change.

 

Its a shame that something orginally concieved to make life better, such as the internet revolution has turned many of our lives into such a living hell.

Hi tigrlady

Welcome to the board and I am sorry that you have to be here. Most of us here know the pain, misery and lonliness that comes with a partner that uses porn. The majority of us married for love and all the right reasons. And the majority of us married good men. Having a porn addiction, or any addiction or fault does not take away all their good qualities. My husband is full of good qualities, they are what attracted me to him in the first place.

I love my husband but I knew I could not live with him if he was using porn. It is a progressive disease and only gets worse.

You deserve love and respect. You do not  have to feel that if you stay you are allowing yourself to be treated this way. Demand love and respect. You are one half of this partnership and home. You have a right to express what is acceptable in your home and family. Tell him that you love him and are hurt and lonely. Tell him that you miss him, intimacy and your sex life. Tell him that instead of saying he loves you and needs forgiveness that you need to see it and feel it. You said that he accepts that he needs help so tell him you need to see him doing something concrete about it. If he is serious and being truthful nothing should stop him.

Figure out for yourself what your boundaries are. What can you live with, what can't you live with. What are the consequences you would be willing to state and follow thru with? Take some time for you. If you are a reader Pornified is a good book for info and so are any of Patrick Carnes books. I have In the Shadows of the Net which is about internet porn and has been useful to me for info. My husband was into internet porn.

If his porn use is causing you to be hurt then it is a problem. There are not really any mild cases. People don't come to these kind of support boards without good reason. I did not even know they existed until I discovered my husband's porn use. So if you are here it is real and it is serious. It is possible at any age to change and overcome an addiction. Hope you post often and can gradually get enough info to help you sort thru this.  take care   jljs

 
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March 28, 2007, 4:27 am PDT

kimi's mom passes away

Please say some prayers for kimi and her family. Her mother passed away yesterday.
 
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March 28, 2007, 8:13 am PDT

so sorry

Hi kimi

I know you won't read this for awhile but my thoughts and prayers go out to you.     jljs

 
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March 28, 2007, 8:15 am PDT

so sorry

Hi kimi

I know you won't read this for awhile but my thoughts and prayers go out to you.     jljs

 
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March 28, 2007, 8:44 am PDT

kimi

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Hi kimi

I know you won't read this for awhile but my thoughts and prayers go out to you.     jljs

she seemed somewhat okay when i heard from her this morning. If that is possible. Poor girl has been through so much and I think her mom meant so very much to her. She will be needing us in the coming days. Sometimes I think we are all she has.
 

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