Topic : How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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Are you in a relationship that has been negatively affected by porn? Has pornography destroyed, or about to destroy your marriage? Is there hope for a relationship when one partner is addicted to porn? Share your advice and support here with others.

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May 7, 2008, 1:47 pm PDT

Are you suppose to think a certain way?

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Im just wondering if Im supposed to think its ok if my husband looks at porn and what I should do if its not?

I know that you cant just jump and get a divorce but it really bothers me that he does it and it bothers me more that he is never honest about it unless Ive actually got proof . He thinks that what I dont know wont hurt me but I always find out.

Or are you suppose to think the way you do???? Why do you have to question how to think? Have you had difficultly doing so in the past? I am not being rough - :) I am just trying to figure out if you usually don't tell people how you feel and just keep it in.......?!

 

Of course you can't or don't want to, just jump in and get a divorce over porn use. Of course you want to find out if it is something he does occasionally or more? And then of course,  you want to look at why you feel it ok that he lies to you.?

 

Why do you question yourself (especially since you got proof?) If he truly believes what you don't know won't hurt you.......can you honestly say that him not knowing how you feel, right now, at this moment, that it won't hurt him? Everything we do has potential to hurt someone if we are not as honest as we can be. The truth is painful, but a lie is unforgiving.

 

My (ex) husband used porn and thought it was ok too. I thought I thought it was ok too. grrrr. But what I found out is some people can look at porn and still have intimate loving relationships, and others cant' because learn to depend on it - like a waiting lover. If your man is lying to you about his porn use, he is more likely lying to you about other things. My husband lied to me about his porn use, phone sex, strip club ventures and possible prostitute usage. The thing is, once a person lies, anything they say after that can be seen as a potential to lie again.

 

YOu need to tell him that because he has lied to you, deceived you and blatently told you what you don't know won't bother you....he is disrespectful.....something that happens a lot with porn users. They treat women like their porn stars......sluts and only for their perusal. If he can't understand why his lying and porn use bothers you, then he is mentally disturbed or just being plain ol' narcissistic and selfish.

 

I have left my husband close to 8 months ago.........all I can say is "HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN, THE SKY ABOVE IS CLEAR AGAIN". We are here for you. I hope you can find it in your heart to know that your husband is not being very nice....and he is not being very married, either.

 
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May 7, 2008, 2:12 pm PDT

How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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The real question you have to ask yourself is what is your personal stand, or belief about porn, and is he aware about how you feel on this?  Does it affect your relationship with him?  How is your sex life with your husband?   And to him.....what purpose does it serve him?  Why is he seeking this out in the first place?  Can he or does he "go without porn" and why if it's "ok" with him does he feel he has to hide it, if he is hiding it?  "Actually got proof" indicates to me you have to seek out and find this proof and he must be hiding it from you or at least not talking to you.  

 

When did this start?  What changes happened that prompted his want to seek this out?  Is it something he feels he can't talk to you about?   What can you do to get him to openly talk to you about why he's using this stuff?   Do you approach this with a "shame shame" attitude or get angry and hurt so much that he can't be open about this with you for fear of your reaction?   Is or does he find that it's easier to seek out porn than to explore fantasy with you inside your marriage.

 

Does he know your belief system about this?  Is this the same as cheating in your marriage? 

 

Divorce over this is wrong, not without truly digging into some answers, and calmly expressing your feelings on this to him.   Because literally this is a form of cheating without all the mess or fuss.   Does he realize this?  To a man, they can and do seperate feelings from the sexual fantasy.....in other words this doesn't at affect his love or desire for you.....UNLESS.....you can actually say it has done that....and how has that made you feel.   Either way you look at this, he should most certainly CARE that this bothers you.   You are his wife, the love of his life.....he should normally want to keep you from harm, no matter where or what causes that harm to you.   That should matter to him.    You have to wonder why that does not matter to him at this time.   Has the porn use become more valuable to him than his relationship with you....and why did that happen.

 

Sit down, and write down exactly how this makes you feel.   Even those feelings that might not make any sense to him...much less you.   Put it on paper and read it, the re-read it....and then when you can approach this calmly with him....do it.   Don't just expect him to know that you believe this is wrong, or that it effects your relationship.  Because truly he may not even realize this right now.   Give him the opportunity to understand and see those feelings.

 

Stay in touch here and let us know more.

 

Luv

I just tried to have a conversation with him. like Ive had many times. I even asked him if he realized or thought that it was a form of cheating and he said no. He alson says that he doesnt know why he did it becuase he can t talk about anything with me and he doesnt think that he has to because thats the way he says hes always been. He also doesnt think that he can change when it comes to making financil choices. He also said that he doesnt think that its wrong to say one thing and do another. He says that he wouldnt care if I lied about something like telling him I was going to bed but I actually i wasgoing  to a bar.. He says that he wouldnt care. That makes me feel like maybe hes not in love with me becuase if you were in love with someone then you would care if they lied to you no matter what it was about, right?
 
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May 7, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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Or are you suppose to think the way you do???? Why do you have to question how to think? Have you had difficultly doing so in the past? I am not being rough - :) I am just trying to figure out if you usually don't tell people how you feel and just keep it in.......?!

 

Of course you can't or don't want to, just jump in and get a divorce over porn use. Of course you want to find out if it is something he does occasionally or more? And then of course,  you want to look at why you feel it ok that he lies to you.?

 

Why do you question yourself (especially since you got proof?) If he truly believes what you don't know won't hurt you.......can you honestly say that him not knowing how you feel, right now, at this moment, that it won't hurt him? Everything we do has potential to hurt someone if we are not as honest as we can be. The truth is painful, but a lie is unforgiving.

 

My (ex) husband used porn and thought it was ok too. I thought I thought it was ok too. grrrr. But what I found out is some people can look at porn and still have intimate loving relationships, and others cant' because learn to depend on it - like a waiting lover. If your man is lying to you about his porn use, he is more likely lying to you about other things. My husband lied to me about his porn use, phone sex, strip club ventures and possible prostitute usage. The thing is, once a person lies, anything they say after that can be seen as a potential to lie again.

 

YOu need to tell him that because he has lied to you, deceived you and blatently told you what you don't know won't bother you....he is disrespectful.....something that happens a lot with porn users. They treat women like their porn stars......sluts and only for their perusal. If he can't understand why his lying and porn use bothers you, then he is mentally disturbed or just being plain ol' narcissistic and selfish.

 

I have left my husband close to 8 months ago.........all I can say is "HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN, THE SKY ABOVE IS CLEAR AGAIN". We are here for you. I hope you can find it in your heart to know that your husband is not being very nice....and he is not being very married, either.

I understand what you are saying. My husband has looked at porn or movies on the computer a few times but not on a regular basics. But everytime ive confronted him about it he would rather me think that im stupid and it got there some other way. I know that hes not doing anything besides this because I honestly  know where he is when he gets off work he stays home with the kids while I go to work, but yes he does lie to me about other things like when he spends money, not even really putting into concern that we might not beable to pay the bills or buy food. This has been an issue sence before we got married. Even if I have proof and ask him about something like an adult he either denies it or just wont talk about it. I know that he doesnt act married and I do love him but maybe hes just still not ready for the commitment and sacrifice that comes with a marriage. I think that he loves me but Im not sure that hes in love with me because eventhough men do it all the time. I dont think that he shows me the respect I deserve as a wife. I hate how I awnser my own questions sometimes but I still dont know what I should do?
 
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May 8, 2008, 3:39 am PDT

A support board. You have to make the decision on what to do.

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I understand what you are saying. My husband has looked at porn or movies on the computer a few times but not on a regular basics. But everytime ive confronted him about it he would rather me think that im stupid and it got there some other way. I know that hes not doing anything besides this because I honestly  know where he is when he gets off work he stays home with the kids while I go to work, but yes he does lie to me about other things like when he spends money, not even really putting into concern that we might not beable to pay the bills or buy food. This has been an issue sence before we got married. Even if I have proof and ask him about something like an adult he either denies it or just wont talk about it. I know that he doesnt act married and I do love him but maybe hes just still not ready for the commitment and sacrifice that comes with a marriage. I think that he loves me but Im not sure that hes in love with me because eventhough men do it all the time. I dont think that he shows me the respect I deserve as a wife. I hate how I awnser my own questions sometimes but I still dont know what I should do?

Hello. I am glad you posted again.

 

When I came here a few years ago, I was at a standstill also. I drove some people here crazy with my flipflopping of not knowing how I felt about porn, sex, intimacy, romance, committment, etc. No one has the answers to all our questions, so what we need to do is focus not so much on the questions but on the solutions to our questions.

 

There are many reasons he may spend money on porn and not on food. Maybe he feels justified because he is the one that makes the money. My husband thought as long as he paid the bills, why should I care how he spends the rest? And thats ok because if we work hard, we should have a chance to use it in a playful way once in while. :) The fact is, your communication together seems like the culprit. Or the lack of it on his part. A lot of guys look to avoid conversation because to them its whining and complaining, the same ol' same ol......kind of thing. So, you need to present your concerns in a way that he understands.

 

I think he is trying to say that he doesn't feel comfortable with the closeness, the vulnerability, the dependancy, that happens in relationships. Maybe he is afraid if he gets too close, he won't be able to be himself, breathe, live. A lot of people hate feeling stifled when they have expectations from them. It could be many a reason for him not to seem like he doesn't care (whether you go to bed or go to a bar)?!) He may also be testing you........without looking at his own actions, which is along the lines of a selfish personality or a childish one. He may not be fully matured, emotionally.

 

When two people make a committment to one another to be married, that committment does not come without a price tag. Whether it is emotional, financial, or otherwise. It is a blending of two separate people that have/had their own perceptions of what a marriage/committed relationship should feel like. How was his parents marriage? How was your parents marriage? Whether we like it or not, what we see when we are young gets incorporated into our DNA! Whether we know what we are doing is healthy or not, it is very difficult to change who we are. Your husband comes across as the kind of guy that does not to show too much affection, but tries to do it in other ways.....things around the yard, buying you a car, etc. He may not be able to give you what it is you are looking for in a relationship. But it doesn't mean you need to divorce him either.

 

The one very significant thing  I learned through all of my time spent with my ex is look at past actions and behaviours. The past will give you loads of good information on who it is you are dealing with. What you do with that truth and information is up to you. What I learned is that no matter how much we may want things to be one way, they are not going to, not now, not ever. If you can't live in the moment with balance and confidence that you are safe and able to take care of yourself, and you live with a feeling that you are not being treated fairly or respected, then you need to look at if your expectations are being unrealistic and also childlike.

 

Ask yourself this question: What is it as a wife that you need? What was it as a young girl did you need? Are they the same?  We live in the present but really live in the past. We have to grow up and figure out that not all people are nice and not all people are going to love us. And sometimes we can be not nice and not love someone. Love for others originates from the love we feel inside for ourselves and our lives. My suggestion is to stop telling him how you feel, take a piece of paper and everytime something comes up, write it down.

 

Make a section for the good things that you feel and another for the times that you feel disoriented and upset. At the end of a month, look at it and analyze if there is a pattern, a familiar repetition of events, etc. Then take it to him or a professional at first, and tell him you would like to discuss your findings and then give him a few days to digest it. Agree to come back say a week later to discuss it. I don't think that is asking too much, do you? It could be fun and it could be very helpful to your marriage.

 

BTW.......all this stuff????????? A lot easier said then done. :) But it can be!

 
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May 8, 2008, 6:01 am PDT

Love or not love....

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I just tried to have a conversation with him. like Ive had many times. I even asked him if he realized or thought that it was a form of cheating and he said no. He alson says that he doesnt know why he did it becuase he can t talk about anything with me and he doesnt think that he has to because thats the way he says hes always been. He also doesnt think that he can change when it comes to making financil choices. He also said that he doesnt think that its wrong to say one thing and do another. He says that he wouldnt care if I lied about something like telling him I was going to bed but I actually i wasgoing  to a bar.. He says that he wouldnt care. That makes me feel like maybe hes not in love with me becuase if you were in love with someone then you would care if they lied to you no matter what it was about, right?

First of all, what would prompt someone who loves you to lie to you in the first place?  No matter what the lie is about, it's still lying.  And most any (normal) person inside a marriage would certainly care if you lied to them about something serious, for instance say you are going to bed, but end up going out to a bar!

 

What he's doing is telling you there is something wrong with you because you do care.  What he is doing is saying that lying shouldn't bother you at all if for no other reason than you love him.  So his lies shouldn't matter.....love cures all.  (LOL.....no it really doesn't).  Any "real man" would at least acknowledge that his word should mean something.....maybe not that he's never ever lied, but his words should mean something solid, at least to his family.

 

If he doesn't know the purpose porn is in his life, than he should have no value in it, and therefore, he should be able to simply stop using it, along with the other crap he's got going on as well, if his marriage means anything to him.

 

I'd have to say he probably needs some help, therapy of some sort to work on these issues.  I am no doctor for sure.   But he certainly seems a bit narcisitic.   Has little concern or care for his relationships in his life.   He refuses to answer truthfully simply because he feels he doesn't have to. And you should care whether he does or not.   He has little concern for you as a women much less his wife. 

 

He likely developed these issues a very long time ago, and had nothing what so ever to do with you as his wife.    You both should really consider some help and get through this, or walk away and move on to that higher ground we talked about before.   It doesn't sound as if he will even come close to compromise....and that leaves you having to settle for, or neglect your own feelings and beliefs....and believe me that doesn't last long without destroying you as a person in all areas of life, not just this marriage.   I think there are some valuable people inside your life who probably need you to be all you can be and desire to see that happiness inside you again.    You should really reconsider this marriage...it's short lived as of now, and that is a good thing to figure all this out this early.

 

Don't waste another 20 years.

 

Luv~

 
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May 8, 2008, 10:05 am PDT

Hey there

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hey luv...i do see i have an email tied to this account in my profile. You can email me at that one too if you do not have the old one. Just let me know if you send something to it ...as I don't check that account since ever. And to make sure I know it is you.....just sign it with your real name initial(s). Thanks!

I will be sending you an email....if it's the same as your old name with hotmail, then I will just use that one.

 

K?   Check in soon.

 

Luv~

 
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May 8, 2008, 10:17 am PDT

Again

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I will be sending you an email....if it's the same as your old name with hotmail, then I will just use that one.

 

K?   Check in soon.

 

Luv

OK, I just sent you an email.  Please let me know you got it.  I sent it to your old name on here.  If not then someone else just got a huge email from me and they won't know what the heck is going on. LOL.

 

Luv~

 
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May 8, 2008, 11:19 am PDT

How Porn Has Hurt Our Relationship

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OK, I just sent you an email.  Please let me know you got it.  I sent it to your old name on here.  If not then someone else just got a huge email from me and they won't know what the heck is going on. LOL.

 

Luv

I didn't get it. Did you put 1967 in the address?

 
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May 8, 2008, 11:49 am PDT

No didn't do that

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I didn't get it. Did you put 1967 in the address?

Ok, let me try again.....the 1967 goes after your name?  I wish I hadn't deleted all the junk on my computer before getting this one.  Sorry.  Look again.

 

Luv~   gosh, I wonder who just got my email I sent then????? oh no

 
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May 9, 2008, 5:18 am PDT

hi again

I have been setting up a new computer.  So I hope you got my email.  I havent checked yet.  Internet has been up and down for me due to a router problem.  then I have to set up my email again on here too.  This kinda stinks since I can't get it going for work.    See ya again soon.

 

Luv

 

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