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Topic : 01/08 The Dr. Phil House: Teen Intervention

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Almost every teenager owns a cell phone and an iPod these days, but what if your daughter bought these items with money she says she made by prostituting herself to older men? Alex, 14, has been running away from home, stealing money from her grandmother and selling her body to men nearly twice her age. Her family wrote to Dr. Phil for a desperately needed intervention. Alex’s mother, Kim, and aunt, Enza, are sisters-in-law who cannot be in the same room together without getting into a fight. Will they reunite for the sake of saving Alex? Within minutes of moving into the Dr. Phil House, Alex was trolling for men on the Internet, under the watchful eyes of Dr. Phil’s cameras. Dr. Phil meets with Kim and asks some hard questions, to find out how things got so out of control with her 14-year-old. Sparks fly when Enza joins the conversation. Find out what Enza has to say about Kim’s mothering skills and join the discussion.

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January 9, 2007, 7:08 am PST

The Child

This is my opinion and mine only. This child has seen alot of her Mothers actions and picked up on them. Dr. Phil will always tell you the same sex parent is the one the child looks up too. The child has many problems and alot comes from her Family. Her Aunt needs to get out of the picture completely all together. She has no need in the middle of it anyway. This Mother needs to get off of cloud nine or where ever she may be and LOVE her child. Quit the name calling toward the child because what ever your parents call you that is more than likely what you will be unless she stops the cycle now at 14. I have a daughter of my own and could not ever imagine calling her the things this Mother called her child. Give the child Love, Support. and alot of therapy.
 

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January 9, 2007, 8:19 am PST

01/08 The Dr. Phil House: Teen Intervention

Quote From: dawnmir

Okay I think the majority of people agree that Enza is a completely negative force!  And there is no question that this family is in chaos.  But enough already with all the finger pointing!  Has Kim made some mistakes? no question!  Is Enza causing more harm than good?  Absolutely!  But what good does all this blame and judgment do for the family?  It doesn't! 

 

Many of you have commented on why Dr. Phil has allowed Aunt Enza in the house.  That is simple, whether or not she is trying to help Alex or hurt Kim she definitely a strong influence in Alex's life and even though she is destructive, Alex has a bond with her.  Dr. Phil knows that in order to make any real headway with Alex he needs to bring Enza into the healing process - she NEEDS to be there - so she is not able to continue to undermine Kim and the work that needs to take place between Alex and her mother. 

 

Also I think that comments such as "children are a product of their environment" are absolutely true!  The problem is that when people say that it is usually used to place blame solely on the parent or parents.  Since when were children - much less teenagers - raised in a vacuum?  A teenagers environment includes so much more than their parents.  They have other family members, friends, and teachers that influence them as well.  Not to mention the types of communities that they live in, and the whole of society and the media with all of the confusing and negative messages that are sent to our youth. 

 

For five years I have worked with troubled girls in various settings and while I have never met a perfect parent, I rarely meet ones that don't want to do their best for their children.  Kim strikes me as a loving mother who, through her daughters evolution through adolescence, lost the ability to effectively communicate with her daughter.  While this happens to many parents and their teenagers it is not always with such devastating consequences. 

 

What does, in my opinion, make matters worse is the fact that her father was never really involved in her life.  Now I don't intend to vilify her father but a young girl needs to know how to interact with the opposite sex and she learns about her own self worth and how to command respect from males her age from her father.  When this person is absent in her life she has to maneuver through this learning process on her own - usually by watching television or movies, listening to music, and also to her friends' naive and often inaccurate advice.

 

Furthermore, for Alex to be able to walk through her adolescence without the absence of her father dramatically and negatively affecting her, Kim would have had to adequately compensate for his absence, which is almost impossible to do.  Many single mothers do however attempt this by trying to find a substitute father figure for their children.   Because finding a suitable companion and someone willing or able to take on the responsibility of an already made family is incredibly difficult, single mothers often settle for what ever is available, which often causes many problems such as a less than desirable step-parent or a mother in and out of relationships. 

 

I don't want to remove anyone from their need to take responsibility for their actions.  There is definitely work that needs to be done between Alex and her mother and it begins with each of them taking that responsibility and really owning it.  But relationships are all about rupture and repair - they have spent enough time tearing down their relationship and focusing on blame will only continue that cycle.  It is now time that our finger pointing stops so we are able to appreciate the process of watching them begin to repair their relationship and their lives.  My hope is that this family truely gets whatever it is that they need to save them all.

Amen. To all of that. :)
 
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January 9, 2007, 8:27 am PST

Jesus works

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How will having Jesus in her life right now  help this confused , defiant, hurt child? God gave us freewill, she is using that freewill to scream out for help by a path of self destruction. Alex needs to get her life on a different path, one surrounded with people who truly care about her and show they care by actions, not empty words and putdowns. Alex can't  see the help being given to her by substantial beings, how will the spiritual being help her at this moment of her life? Dr. Phil is giving her the opportunity to change that path by healing her emotional spirit and body, only then will she be able to find spiritual guidance. This girl has experienced far too much for any person her age should ever have been exposed to, she needs positive role models to help begin the healing and Enza is NOT one of those!
 A lot of people like me believe that love and all good things begin with God.  When I hear someone say "she needs Jesus in her life," I know that means she needs to know that she is loved and important and that there is a wonderful life to be had. I used to think the same thing I am understanding from you, that is, "oh please, don't give me this Jesus stuff.  Reality check!" Now that I have a relationship with Christ, I understand that no matter how deeply lost you are, no matter your current situation, every day is the right time to hear that God loves you.

I get your point, this young girl is not likely to grasp the love of Christ in an instant.  It is nevertheless an essential ingredient for her.

Of course she needs real live intervention, from real live people who care about her. I believe those people who meet her, in person or from TV, are moved to help by the love of Christ.

 
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January 9, 2007, 8:30 am PST

I never post here

 

I have never posted a message on this board. But the aunt of this poor teen has got to go. What is her motivation?

 

My impression is it was simply to be on TV.

 

what a piece of work.

 

 

 

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January 9, 2007, 8:36 am PST

01/08 The Dr. Phil House: Teen Intervention

Quote From: irishlass70

 Ugh, I just finished watching this episode on TIVO and WOW! The Aunt made my blood boil. Anytime she opend her mouth, I got stressed and I just wanted her to shut up. She kept saying over and over again that she wanted to help her niece, but it was clear in her room as she was unpacking that she was there for revenge. She was more excited about seeing the reaction Kim and her mom had to her living there then seeing her niece get help. I mean ,really, only a vindictive person would say she can't wait to see the expression on someone's face when they realize that she's staying. She's just as toxic. At the end, when they were talking to the webcam, Enza could only focus on kim, the mother could only focus on Enza, and Kim was actually talking about her daughter and her hopes for her. not once did Kim mention Enza or her mom, just her daughter. Enza is out of control and maybe the daughter gets that from the Aunt.

To be perfectly fair, this isn't technically true. It's only true of the excerpts shown during the ending credits. You can see the full webcam interviews by going to http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/821/ and clicking the "See Part 1 of the Dr. Phil web cam" link. I've also posted transcripts of the Alex and Kim interviews (but not the Enza or Jeanine ones) at http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/2152/msg/id/576612/#576612

 

Kim did show a lot more focus on Alex than either Enza or Jeanine did, but there was an entire part where she talked about Enza and her sister and her mother (it's pretty clear from the interview, btw, that Enza is Alex's father's sister. Also, according to Kim, Alex's father is apparently still alive, but is not in the picture).

 

Jeanine mostly talked about how she tried to keep an even and unemotional mind. I empathized with her, truly. She may have seemed self-centered to some, but my impression was that she was just trying to explain why she has difficulty talking about this. She did talk about Alex a little.

 

Enza also had a segment where she talked about Alex, although it was all about how she'd had a good talk with Alex and felt that she and Alex had a really good bond. I may be a little biased in my view of Enza, though. From literally her first moment on the show, I hated her, because her Valley-Girl mannerisms reminded me of every obnoxious kid who made my life miserable when I was growing up.

 

The preview for next week looked so sad, especially the argument in the car. You can see it again by following the instructions I gave before. Kim is yelling at Enza about belittling her in front of her daughter, Enza is belittling Kim in front of her daughter, and Alex... is staring out the window, looking absolutely miserable.

 

I really hope that what happens is that Dr. Phil puts Alex in a troubled-teen home (or whatever they're called - he featured them on a show just a couple weeks ago). Alex needs to be somewhere where somebody can calmly and professionally address what she's doing wrong in her life. Emphasis on the word, "calmly." She obviously responds well to that. Look at the obvious contrast between her behavior with Kim and her behavior with Dr. Phil's staff - she seems almost happy to be talking with them.

 
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January 9, 2007, 8:46 am PST

What?

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First of all.........the yelling needs to stop and the blaming. The adults need to admit to their parts in this mess. You all need to stop and think about how you contributed to this young girls behavior. You are all examples and being females.......and she being a female.....you did play a BIG part in her life. She may have needed a father..........since it doesn't appear to be one in her life playing a major role.......then you need to step up to the plate and start parenting Mom! Your daughter doesn't need another friend............she needs a Mother! And good old auntie needs to shut her mouth and get out of the picture and get help herself. Talk about destructive behavior..............mom and aunt arguing in front of the kids..........name calling........blaming.........hitting..........pulling hair..........enough is enough already. And Mom........your behavior needs to change big time. No more drinking and no more having men over at the house............no more yelling at your daughter........and you owe your daughter an apology BIG TIME for not being a good mother. She needs direction and morals...........and values...........and HELP!! You have not been a good example...........time to change and be a better example. Hopefully you will all get the help you need. And hopefully you can all be honest and stop backstabbing each other and displaying your bad behavior in front of the kids. They need better role models............time you all be it.
What in the blue heck are you talking about?  Never have so many words been used to say so little!
 
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January 9, 2007, 8:47 am PST

I know......

I am an 18 year old mother....of a beautiful 17 month old boy...yeah that's right, pregnant at 16. All because my mother was an alcoholic and always tryed to be my friend instead of the single mother she should have been. I can relate to Alex big time, I have never been a prostitute but I have been with my share of men...(my age). I wish I would have had the oppurtunity Alex has...it might have saved me. I wouldn't trade my son for the world or his father for that matter, but everyday I think of how much fun I would be having. I would have been a senior this year. I got my GED but its just not the same. Luckily my best friend is taking me to my senior prom with her. Alex, you need to wake up. There are so many people making the same mistake I did. And you're headed in that direction if you don't get help. You may think its cool now, cuz I did to. I fist fought my mom, got away with everything, in trouble with the law. I was finally realeased after 2 years of probation for a bunch of stuff that I shouldn't have done. I did my share of communitgy service, piss tests, and everything else. YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE ME...OR WORSE!!!!
 
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January 9, 2007, 8:58 am PST

Walk in Kim's shoes first!

I have walked in Kim's shoes and although she probably has not made all the right choses in rasing Alex, I believe she loves her daughter as much as any other parent. Unfortuntely, we are not given classes on how to deal with tough issues bring children up. Family members can really do more harm in relationships between a parent and a child. Enza is extremely toxic to Kim and Alex's relationship. I too am suprised Dr. Phil let Enz rip Kim apart on television.

I had problems with my child starting at the age of 13. I would take my child to school and she would go right out the back door, with alcohol in her bag, without my knowledge. I was also a single parent. I put her into treatment immediately upon learning of the alcholol problem. Of course, they tried to put the blame on me and say I was an alcoholic. I tried to tell them I wasn't but that couldn't be. Family members were very distructiive to our relationship. No one every talked about the absent father and the role he played in these problems. It was always Mom. Mom tried to provide her with a good home and was fortunate I made a good living, therefore she lived in a nice home and didn't do without.

Over many years of me blaming myself, she has grown up and has children of her own. It took me t being on my death bed for my daughter to realize Mom has always been there for her. She now ac,knowledges the lack of her father playing a role in her life was the real emotional problems that caused her to act out. Now we have a wonderful relationship.

If all those people, prefessional and otherwise ,would have truly opened their eyes and not just put the blame old Mom, maybe things would have been different. Reviewing the past, I can now feel vindicated. I felted so guilty all those years even . I finally went to counseling myself. The professionals, then I am told," well you did the best you could do being a single parent." Why didn't they say that when she was going through her bad times. It was easier to blame me.

I agree that Kim needs to make some changes but some people like Enza needs to back off!!! Kim is problably suffering some emotional problems herself. I wonder what behaviors she is bringing from her childhood.

Where is Alex's father and what role has he played in Alex's behavior. Why is it always the mother. She is the one that has custody. She is the one that is providing for the children. It is the mother the has the whole responsiblity . What Kim needs is some sound advice, not just blame. Alex needs to really examine her emotions. Unfortunatley, Alex will not truly understand her ownership of her behavior until she is an adult. Then maybe the truth will come out.

 Look people, you can't truly judge someone until you walk in their shoes.

x

 

 
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January 9, 2007, 9:28 am PST

Good Points, but...

Quote From: dawnmir

Okay I think the majority of people agree that Enza is a completely negative force!  And there is no question that this family is in chaos.  But enough already with all the finger pointing!  Has Kim made some mistakes? no question!  Is Enza causing more harm than good?  Absolutely!  But what good does all this blame and judgment do for the family?  It doesn't! 

 

Many of you have commented on why Dr. Phil has allowed Aunt Enza in the house.  That is simple, whether or not she is trying to help Alex or hurt Kim she definitely a strong influence in Alex's life and even though she is destructive, Alex has a bond with her.  Dr. Phil knows that in order to make any real headway with Alex he needs to bring Enza into the healing process - she NEEDS to be there - so she is not able to continue to undermine Kim and the work that needs to take place between Alex and her mother. 

 

Also I think that comments such as "children are a product of their environment" are absolutely true!  The problem is that when people say that it is usually used to place blame solely on the parent or parents.  Since when were children - much less teenagers - raised in a vacuum?  A teenagers environment includes so much more than their parents.  They have other family members, friends, and teachers that influence them as well.  Not to mention the types of communities that they live in, and the whole of society and the media with all of the confusing and negative messages that are sent to our youth. 

 

For five years I have worked with troubled girls in various settings and while I have never met a perfect parent, I rarely meet ones that don't want to do their best for their children.  Kim strikes me as a loving mother who, through her daughters evolution through adolescence, lost the ability to effectively communicate with her daughter.  While this happens to many parents and their teenagers it is not always with such devastating consequences. 

 

What does, in my opinion, make matters worse is the fact that her father was never really involved in her life.  Now I don't intend to vilify her father but a young girl needs to know how to interact with the opposite sex and she learns about her own self worth and how to command respect from males her age from her father.  When this person is absent in her life she has to maneuver through this learning process on her own - usually by watching television or movies, listening to music, and also to her friends' naive and often inaccurate advice.

 

Furthermore, for Alex to be able to walk through her adolescence without the absence of her father dramatically and negatively affecting her, Kim would have had to adequately compensate for his absence, which is almost impossible to do.  Many single mothers do however attempt this by trying to find a substitute father figure for their children.   Because finding a suitable companion and someone willing or able to take on the responsibility of an already made family is incredibly difficult, single mothers often settle for what ever is available, which often causes many problems such as a less than desirable step-parent or a mother in and out of relationships. 

 

I don't want to remove anyone from their need to take responsibility for their actions.  There is definitely work that needs to be done between Alex and her mother and it begins with each of them taking that responsibility and really owning it.  But relationships are all about rupture and repair - they have spent enough time tearing down their relationship and focusing on blame will only continue that cycle.  It is now time that our finger pointing stops so we are able to appreciate the process of watching them begin to repair their relationship and their lives.  My hope is that this family truely gets whatever it is that they need to save them all.

I do agree with much that you say and find it well thought out as well as well written.  The place I take exception with is when you ask what good the blame (in these posts) do.  This message board is hear for an exchange of thoughts by viewers.  It is not intended to be therapeutic for the family.  We are not here to take Dr. Phil's role.  We are here to express opinions and discuss matters among ourselves.  In that capacity, we are not advising the family.  If we are pointing fingers, I say check this board on any given day.  That is exactly what happens.  If people are outraged at the words and actions of Enza, they have a right to say so in this forum.  I assure you that any finger pointing done here will have no effect at all on the family.  Enza is Kim's sister in law and should keep her nose out of matters she does not intend to be helpful in.  I agree about the role of the father, but we were not told (or I don't recall) anything about him.  He may even be deceased.  None the less, the lack of a paternal influence is telling here.

 

In any case, and as I said at the start, you make several valid points and I am happy to see someone put so much thouoght in their message.

 
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January 9, 2007, 9:31 am PST

01/08 The Dr. Phil House: Teen Intervention

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I am an 18 year old mother....of a beautiful 17 month old boy...yeah that's right, pregnant at 16. All because my mother was an alcoholic and always tryed to be my friend instead of the single mother she should have been. I can relate to Alex big time, I have never been a prostitute but I have been with my share of men...(my age). I wish I would have had the oppurtunity Alex has...it might have saved me. I wouldn't trade my son for the world or his father for that matter, but everyday I think of how much fun I would be having. I would have been a senior this year. I got my GED but its just not the same. Luckily my best friend is taking me to my senior prom with her. Alex, you need to wake up. There are so many people making the same mistake I did. And you're headed in that direction if you don't get help. You may think its cool now, cuz I did to. I fist fought my mom, got away with everything, in trouble with the law. I was finally realeased after 2 years of probation for a bunch of stuff that I shouldn't have done. I did my share of communitgy service, piss tests, and everything else. YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE ME...OR WORSE!!!!
Thank you for what I am sure was a difficult message to write.  I wish you the best.
 
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