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Topic : 01/09 False Confessions

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Would you ever confess to a crime you didn’t commit? What if the authorities, police you thought you could trust, said that you committed a crime and that they had evidence to prove it? Would you begin to doubt yourself, even though you knew you were innocent? Dr. Phil explores the psychology of false confessions. After a young man was shot dead at a local pizza parlor, Jon, 24, found himself behind bars. He then spent six months in jail before being exonerated from murder charges. Why did he confess to a crime he didn’t commit? What role did the police play in his confession? Learn how the truth finally came out. Then, experts say some ‘fess up for fame, others do so to escape torturous interrogations. No one knows the art of getting confessions better than 29-year veteran New York City Homicide Detective Louis Scarcello. Hear about his interrogations and decide for yourself if the tactics used by law enforcement cross the line into coercion. Then, Marty Tankleff was just 17 when he was convicted of murdering his parents -- based on what he says was a police-coerced false confession. Sixteen years have passed with Marty still behind bars, but the question remains: Did he do it? Share your thoughts here.

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January 11, 2007, 11:41 am PST

I very much doubt

Quote From: kayenicho

How many times in the last few months have we heard of the policemen and the lies in Atlanta of the Killing of the elderly lady.  It is shameful that these law enforcement officers can commit murder and all is done is it will be invesgiated on.  This is not the first time an officer of the law has been caught for crimes in Georgia.  I see it every week where a law enforcement officer is caught for crimes.  Georgia should be the leader of Law Enforcment Crime from killing a 82 year old lady and getting away with it.
That the investigators will ever get to the real truth in this tragic story. You damn well know the police officers involved won't tell the truth. I can't imagine why this nut thinks the police here in Georgia are so perfect. Believe me they are sooo far from it. Just here in my town we have had an officer convicted of molesting a 16 year old. We had a sheriff' s deputy fired for family violence. We have had one lose his job for shoplifting. Right now we have 3 sheriff's deputies facing charges because they lied about a traffic stop they had off duty in another city. This has all happened in the last 2-3 years. Granted thats just a small percentage of the force. If these things were being covered up I could understand this guy's opinion. But they are not, its in the papers all the time. So how in hell can he keep going on and on about what a fine job the police do in Georgia. I have lived in Georgia all my life and I love it here, but I am not blind to its flaws.
 
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January 11, 2007, 11:45 am PST

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you know i guess the wonderful state of georgia is not as bad as i once thought it to be,yes we have some cops here whom should not have a badge and low and behold when we encounter such cops we see to it that they dont keep those badges, but in my 49 years of living here i have never seen or heard of such actions to simply close a case, i guess my hats off to our law enforcement for putting that extra effort in doing all that is humanley possible to make sure the wright person in in jail for the crime they are working on, and they do go about it and show the acused as much of southren hospitality as the law will allow,
Are you being serious or just trying to be funny. Because so many of your posts have the most outrageous statements in them its hard to tell.
 
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January 11, 2007, 12:11 pm PST

false confessions

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When my son was arrested in 2003, he told the arresting sheriff's deputies more than once that he wanted an attorney. But they kept on trying to get him to talk. They told him they would drop certain charges if he would tell them what they wanted to know. But just saying I want an attorney DIDN"T stop the interrogation. Oh and this is for Afaid. We live in Georgia.
I believe many false confessions are gained as a result of officers, prosecutors and even judges having no respect for our rights.  I was with my sixteen year old son while he was grilled.  I also believed that questioning would stop as soon as one asked for an attorney.  Nothing is further from the truth.  I asked many times to leave.  I asked many times for a lawyer.  The questioning continued for hours.  My son was not read his rights at any time during the questioning.  Only after the police coerced a confession from his friends was he read his rights.  Only after being told to sign a blank confession sheet was he read his rights.  All of the witnesses that were with them that night were threatened, if they didn't change their statements.  My younger son was denied an education for a time because they couldn't guarantee his safety.  I did not accept this and forced them to take him back.  My family was physically attacked, had guns pulled on us, our car vandalized, and I lost my job as a direct result.  The police did nothing.  One more thing.  It isn't  just police that deny us our constiutional rights.  There is a judge in Macomb County Michigan that stated he knew my son to be guilty of murder even as he was releasing him due to a lack of evidence.  I know not all cops are dirty.  The problem is that many are, and you can't tell which ones are by looking.  I also know that many judges go out of their way to cover up for dirty cops.  I just thank God that the police in Williamsburg Kentucky, as well as the prosecutor in Bristol Virginia and attorneys representing the guilty parties were honest. 
 
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January 11, 2007, 12:54 pm PST

Broken Systems

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Thanks for all the replies...I enjoy the feedback

 

What I meant by "a broken system" is that I personally feel that our officers are "products" of the system, of their training, the expectations from the political higher-ups, as well as the fact that they are "outguned", have little to show for their work, are in a "losing war", and have "all eyes" on them all the time, they know they can lose a case if the smallest "i" isnt dotted; the burden of proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" etc.   Not that they dont/cant contribute to the brokenness of the system and I agree - criminal cops go to jail - I dont think anyone would disagree! All I'm saying is - its the whole system - from the cops, to the lawyers, to the jury, to societal expectations, to the people who have "misused" or "worked" the system - its not just about over agressive cops.  Any place where there is power, there is the possibility of abuse of that power.   I guess the place where I get a little concerned is when "blanket" statements are made - for instance - If a teacher is accused of assulting a child - you DONT hear things like "All teachers are child abusers", people know and understand that this is not indicative of all teachers.  But what I hear all the time is "All cops are corrupt"  "All cops are jerks"  "All cops are powertrippers"  "All cops cheat on their wives"  and the list goes on and on. 

 

I am sorry for all of you who have had bad experiences with police officers and the judicial system.  I am thankful that my experience with police officers have been generally good.  I agree this is an issue that has to be addressed - but please - in a way that does not generalize so much.  Next time a cop gives you a ticket - thank him for doing what he does - help HIM realize that not everyone thinks he's a jerk and then maybe he wont act like one...(ok...I know its a stretch, but seriously...they deal with grumpy, unhappy, broken, depressed, abusive, angry, hostile, victimized people ALL DAY LONG....how would you feel at the end of your day...

It is my firm contention that abuses go on by law enforcement on a regular basis.  I also feel these abuses are so detrimental to the "system" as to carry far more weight than those found in most other professions.  These offenders are more disgusting to me because they do break down the line of trust that should exist between police officers and the public.  At the end of the day, when all things are factored, I remain very grateful to the courageous men and women who truly do "protect and serve."
 
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January 11, 2007, 1:34 pm PST

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I cannot begin to imagine all the things you and your families are suffering.  It is sad that even the supreme court ruled that innocence alone is not sufficient to overturn a guilty verdict.  I cannot fathom their thinking.  In any event, all of you certainly have my thoughts and prayers.  Please let us know when the great day comes that you are united with your son.

Mr. Tice

 

I know all too well how the so called justice system in Virginia works, my 18 year son was wrongfully convicted of a murder that he did not do and was given a life sentence without parole.  He has spent the last six years in one of Virginia's worst prisons Wallens RIdge, while we fight to prove his innocence.  He was convicted solely on the false confession of a former friend and the testimony of a jailhouse snitch.  There was no physical evidence linking him to the murder at all.  But that is Virginia for you and Virginia never wants to admit that they were wrong.  My best wishes go out to you and your son, never give up one day we will both win our battles if we just keep fighting to prove the truth.  Hopefully Dr. Phil's show will help to open people's eyes to what really goes in today in our justice system.

 

 

 
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January 12, 2007, 4:12 am PST

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Quote From: cissie88

Are you being serious or just trying to be funny. Because so many of your posts have the most outrageous statements in them its hard to tell.
what is outrageous about giving the police a pat on the back? wow, you know even if they have had to arrest me in my past years they were only doing there jobs, and i for one do not hate them for that, if i hadent broken the laws i wouldnt have been arrested, had i not been arrested i would not have gotten the help i needed to get off of drugs, had i not gotton off drugs my child would not have a parent now, his mother lost custody to me and hauled ass many years ago. i guess what my point would be if you keep your ass on the side of our laws that your suppose to keep it on, you really dont have to worry about weather the police are going to ask you any questions or not. but if you should find your self sitting in front of a cop and hes askin you weather you killed your parents or not or if you killed your girl friend or not, DONT TELL HIM I CANT REMEMBER, damn that shure as hell would make me think just maybe you did infact do it, i mean just what the f#&@ kind of answer is i cant remember, im not sure i dont know?the way i would read it would be- i cant remember= im not telling you+ im not sure=i did it but im wating for a deal+i dont know=hell yeah i did it but i dont want to tell you im not sure what is going to happen to me.
 
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January 12, 2007, 4:30 am PST

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When my son was arrested in 2003, he told the arresting sheriff's deputies more than once that he wanted an attorney. But they kept on trying to get him to talk. They told him they would drop certain charges if he would tell them what they wanted to know. But just saying I want an attorney DIDN"T stop the interrogation. Oh and this is for Afaid. We live in Georgia.
well you need to teach your son if he tells the truth he has nothing to fear from the laws of man nor from the laws of god himself. and this is from Georgia i tell you this, Ive had first hand experience with the sheriffs dept and the local police all my life and i am yet to see a cop go over the line with any one, hell i guess I'm just the lucky guy all the cops seemed to pick to try to show the good cop side too  lol, i learned early in life that police of every type are human beings, and with that in mind i treat them with the respect they deserve,after all if someone breaks in my home to murder my family there the guys and gals I'm going to call, its them that will enter my home not knowing what door way a murderer is hiding behind waiting to kill one of them, but they will search my home and either arrest the person that came to kill me or shoot them in order to make my home that i just thought was safe a safe place for me to sleep once again,they will put there very lives on the line and ask nothing in return but maybe a few questions, and I'm sure as hell not going to sit there and tell them i cant remember i don't know I'm not sure. I'm going to answer there questions with the truth nothing but the truth so help me god. after all the police will give his life to keep you alive doesn't he or she at the very least deserve us all to tell them nothing but the truth? a lie may just cost one of them there life, you never know, i sure as hell wouldn't want that on my conscience. one must remember lies can and will cose police there lives, and that isnt fair for there wives or kids, not fair for them most of all.!
 

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January 12, 2007, 5:40 am PST

False Cofessions - Christita

I understand what you went through, Christita.  Please, don't feel you are alone with your feelings.  The one thing that kept me going when I was dealing with children's services is knowing I wasn't alone and that someone, somewhere understood what I was going through.

 

I'm sure you feel as I do - the ones who are hurt most by these experiences are the very children, children's services proclaim to want to protect.

 

It's very sad.  Things will get better, though.  Hang in there.

 

Marilyn

 
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January 12, 2007, 7:18 am PST

policemen/women

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well you need to teach your son if he tells the truth he has nothing to fear from the laws of man nor from the laws of god himself. and this is from Georgia i tell you this, Ive had first hand experience with the sheriffs dept and the local police all my life and i am yet to see a cop go over the line with any one, hell i guess I'm just the lucky guy all the cops seemed to pick to try to show the good cop side too  lol, i learned early in life that police of every type are human beings, and with that in mind i treat them with the respect they deserve,after all if someone breaks in my home to murder my family there the guys and gals I'm going to call, its them that will enter my home not knowing what door way a murderer is hiding behind waiting to kill one of them, but they will search my home and either arrest the person that came to kill me or shoot them in order to make my home that i just thought was safe a safe place for me to sleep once again,they will put there very lives on the line and ask nothing in return but maybe a few questions, and I'm sure as hell not going to sit there and tell them i cant remember i don't know I'm not sure. I'm going to answer there questions with the truth nothing but the truth so help me god. after all the police will give his life to keep you alive doesn't he or she at the very least deserve us all to tell them nothing but the truth? a lie may just cost one of them there life, you never know, i sure as hell wouldn't want that on my conscience. one must remember lies can and will cose police there lives, and that isnt fair for there wives or kids, not fair for them most of all.!
Even if you tell the truth, it doesn't mean the police won't badger a confession out of you.  Always keep your lips zipped until you get a lawyer, or they'll be waiting a LONG time to get a word outta you!  As far as ppl breaking into my house to hurt my family, that's why i keep guns in the house.  It's my constitutional duty to arm myself- if the government has all the guns, they can take away your other rights.  Then non-government ppl who own weapons illegally form their own subgovernment- it's called the mafia (usually formed during an oppressive rule).  Anyway, anyone who dares break in my home will get an extra hole in the head!  Ha!
 
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January 12, 2007, 8:53 am PST

My apologies

Coastercollect - It appears that your responses to me have been deleted, but I was able to see your latest response to me in a quote.

 

I want to sincerely apologize if I made assumptions about your profession and gender.  I was sure that you said you were in law enforcement and if I incorrectly identified you as a police officer, I apologize for that.  I also apologize for infering that you were male.  I was not able to go back and check this information because your posts have been deleted.

 

I will not however give you the courtesy of a response to your attacks on me because it is not warranted.

 

My whole purpose in posting here is to air my opinion that there are way too many problems with this nation's law enforcement and justice system and that accordingly, trust in it has been eroded because of the reluctance to do anything about.  For that reason, I do not automatically trust law enforcement, prosecutors, or judges, and won't until I see a good reason to do so.

 

Again, my apologies to you for offending you.

 
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