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Topic : 01/09 False Confessions

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Would you ever confess to a crime you didn’t commit? What if the authorities, police you thought you could trust, said that you committed a crime and that they had evidence to prove it? Would you begin to doubt yourself, even though you knew you were innocent? Dr. Phil explores the psychology of false confessions. After a young man was shot dead at a local pizza parlor, Jon, 24, found himself behind bars. He then spent six months in jail before being exonerated from murder charges. Why did he confess to a crime he didn’t commit? What role did the police play in his confession? Learn how the truth finally came out. Then, experts say some ‘fess up for fame, others do so to escape torturous interrogations. No one knows the art of getting confessions better than 29-year veteran New York City Homicide Detective Louis Scarcello. Hear about his interrogations and decide for yourself if the tactics used by law enforcement cross the line into coercion. Then, Marty Tankleff was just 17 when he was convicted of murdering his parents -- based on what he says was a police-coerced false confession. Sixteen years have passed with Marty still behind bars, but the question remains: Did he do it? Share your thoughts here.

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January 16, 2007, 10:36 am PST

Re-evaluate

So we all can agree the system is flawed and that there are bad officers out there, agreed. But I stand for all the GREAT ones who are out there who got into this job to serve their community and try to reduce the number of "bad guys" on the streets. I love my job as a cop. Everyday is something different and even more challenging because I am a female.

I have met many good interrogators and interviewers who do a fine job and have the skill and talent of talking to people and finding out the truth.

As far as I am aware there is no "deadline" for a case/file to close and as long as it takes to find out who the offender is, so be it. I dont remember who said that a pile up of files gets you fired, because I have never seen this happen in this career. Supervisors would rather you complete the file correctly and cover EVERYTHING rather than just close it and move on. This, I believe is a misconception amoung the public. In addition to that, I have never seen or heard of an interrogator/interviewer BEAT the truth out of someone! We do NOT deprive people of food, water, the bathroom and other things like that. If you people knew anything about interrogation than you would realize it is better for the interviewer to befriend the accused in question rather than treating them like animals. Too much C.S.I perhaps, or too many movie, Im not sure but the tactics used by professionally trained interviewers and the strategies would never be divulged to the public, as questioned in a previous post by someone on here.

So I ask that those who are anti-police and do not trust them, realize that Police officers are humans too and a bad or busy day affects our attitude and we may come off arrogant but alot of the time that is because we treat any interaction with the public as high risk and are always on "alert" preparing for something bad to happen. It is the nature of the Police, and it is for our safety as well as yours.

 
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January 16, 2007, 11:56 am PST

What?

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I am sorry to be writing so many posts but this is a subject quite close to my heart!  In reality I could write a book about what happened to me, but instead only have these posts.

 

Presumption of innocence did not exist in my case. The investigator created the case. My case is very high profile and political in nature. I owned a company and mistakenly married a programmer there ( I have been a single Mom of two forever!). As soon as I said 'I do" he became a controlling abusive and violent person. We never even lived together and after he physically abused me I filed for a divorce three weeks after the wedding. To make a long story short he broke in to my offices and home and threatened to destroy me if I divorced him.

 

He had inside information at my company because he worked there for 2 years. He said killing me was too good for me and instead he would set me up and destroy me. He said he would not stop  until I was homeless. He did just that! I had 6 restraining orders back to back, I have a stack of police reports and YET when he gave the FBI with a bull story THEY BELEIVED HIM HOOK LINE AND SINKER!!!! He had key loggers on all of my home and company computers from the beginning and he had ongoing access to our computer systems.

 

Very long story short: The investigators moved forward on his angry-bipolar-alcoholic word. Even with all of the LONG hsitory and documentation of his abuse and terrorism surrounding my company. To cement their case,the investigator then went and threatened some employees saying they would face prison if they did not implicate me! These are people who were earning 7.50 and hour! The ONE supervisor who would NOT lie is now a co-defendent!!!!

 

I am facing 335 years of prison time due to the investigators unethical tactics. I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO faith in our criminal justice system !

 

If I were reading this I would think...hmmmm sounds fishy. BUT I HAVE LIVED this nightmare, know the truth and am trying to survive...allll because of an investigator gone wrong!!!

 

 

This is exactly the kind of lies and made up nonsense that I am talking about regarding this topic.

This is unbelieveable really! Of course, everyone in jail is always "innocent" of their crime, but this story is just rediculous. You would think that the highest authority, were talking FBI here (apparently), would look at this from all angles and not just believe the husband's word over his wifes...give me a break.

Everything this person has posted leads me to believe there is much more to their story than they are saying and that they did do something wrong, but as every criminal I meet they are always "innocent" and never did anything wrong! Please.

WOW.

 

 
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January 16, 2007, 12:36 pm PST

My opinion

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People that are innocent usually are willing to talk the the police. If you do not mind me asking and if you are willing to answer.  What interrogation techniques do you use and train your officers to use after you read the person  the Mirinda Rights? Some officer's use the blame,  hurt, psychological problems, proof, and give the person choices as ploys.  Some do not.  I think you might help people to understand what goes on in the interrogation room as far the mean use use to get the truth from some one you are questioning.  Again innocent people usually do not feel that they need a lawyer and if they ask for one it give the impression to police that they are quilty.

To provide an answer to this question would perhaps be considered IMO to violate the police code of ethics and oath of confidentiality. As an officer the tactics we use are not public information and the public need not know the way we operate internally out of the public eye. And before you all jump on me, realize that deprivation of essentials such as water, food, smoke breaks, bathroom would only prove to hinder an investigation and interrogation process. Thus treating suspects like animals proves to be unfavorable for the investigator & suspect relationship in the process of interrogation.

All the above mentioned tactics in the quoted post, perhaps do have some validity in the interview process, but I have yet to see a confession beaten out of someone---that's for the movies.

 
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January 16, 2007, 1:28 pm PST

hotinpa

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In my 20 years of experience, the vast majority of people I have spoken with have been willing to sit and talk with me and did not want an attorney. This includes witnesses, victims and suspects. If the individual is in custody, or it can be percieved by them that they feel they are not free to leave (even if they are not actually "in custody" and they ARE free to leave), we advise them of their Miranda Rights. However, even before sitting down with anyone for an investigative interview it is very important to know as much about the case and the person you are talking with as possible. What evidence do you have? What witnesses do you have? What did they see? What is the background of the individual? Is there an existing motive? Opportunity? What is the crime scene like? etc. Plus hundreds of other questions you try to answer. Next, be open-minded, honest and fair with everyone you talk with and establish some type of rapport. Without rapport, whether it is a personal or professional relationship, communication will suffer, and when talking about serious or sensitive issues such as murder, robbery or sex crimes, you need to have a good connection and an established level of trust. We would then ask open ended questions about what happened, or about their relationship with the victim, etc. How does what they say fit in with that we know about the crime scene or investigation? Then ask clarifying questions to probe and expand upon their information. The specific approach and questioning tactics will vary from case to case based upon the type of crime, the ammount of physical evidence available and the personality of the individual you are talking with as well as the information they provided. Everyone we speak with is treated fairly and with respect, and if they choose to want an attorney present, then questioning stops until they do so. 

I  have been raised to respect the police and I still do. I have met more respectable ones who are dedicated to there profession than not.  You mentioned that it is important to know about a case and the person that you are talking to first.  That is what is supposed to be done and a dedicated police officer will do that.  My family has had the misfortune to have had a tragety in our family and had a police officer who  did not follow his training. Training like you mentioned Because he did not follow his training he did  know enough about the case. The end result was a false confession and a conviction because of it. Evidence of innocence was found after my son's conviction and hopfully it will be accepted. So continue to stress the importance of knowing as much as you can about a case before an interview. An innocent persons life can depend upon it. 

 
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January 16, 2007, 4:13 pm PST

01/09 False Confessions

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hey purprepenny just wanted to tell you i enjoyed the chitchat back and forth we had,sorry we didnt see eye to eye on a lot of things but i guess thats what brings people closer togather, but to cut a long story short i just wanted to tell you bye, after mondays show i cant be a part of this any longer, i cant take part in shreading a childs life of only 14 years as i see so many doing, this isnt the board for that topic but its the last one i see you on so im using it to tell you i hope what ever went wrong in your life for you changes to the better no matter what it may be, i know how you feel about alot of things and i do respect you for standing your ground, even if it were me you stood it too  lol, but any way good luck and i do wish you a happy life
afraid...what topic is that? I am not sure I know what you are talking about.
 
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January 16, 2007, 4:14 pm PST

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First, why is conflict such a bad thing, afraid?  That's what these boards are about.  Not everyone is going to bow down to your way of thinking (or mine, or pennys).   

 

Second, why was Monday's show, "shredding away a 14 yold's life?  She's in the Dr. Phil house and starting to become receptive to help.  How is that a bad thing?  Anytime you go on National TV, youre going to expose yourself and your problems to the public and that's what you should expect.  It's called freedom of speech.  No one is against Alex, they seem to be in her corner from what i've read.  If you don't like posting on one board, post on another, it's not that difficult of a concept.

Afraid is a poster who has come a long way IMO in intelligence, thoughtfulness and articulation...I really think a gentler hand is needed here.
 
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January 16, 2007, 4:24 pm PST

01/09 False Confessions

 I don't have much to debate over the issue of false confessions, but I do want to interject a bit.

I'm also from New Baltimore and would have graduated with Justin Mello. I can see why Jon is having a difficult time. Just seeing him on television today instantly shot anger into me even though I know two other men killed Justin. I don't believe Jon and the others killed my friend, however I feel like I'll always question whether or not they knew about the robbery or had some kind of involvement. I feel that the police were under a lot of pressure to solve the case quickly, after all New Baltimroe is a small town where murders just didn't happen. But I still have a hard time understanding how someone who didn't have any involvement or guilt could confess to murder.

What is more difficult for me is to know that the first glimpse America got of this story was not the story of Justin or his amazing family, which has been devestated since his death - but rather the story of someone else's pain and suffering. Not to say that Jon and his family aren't going through a lot because of this...but it just doesn't even seem comparable.
 
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January 16, 2007, 8:17 pm PST

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Dr.Phil I am the one who wrote you a letter back in October.I watched your show today and it was very interresting. My son is back home living with us. He has been in prison for crimes he is not guilty of. Even when you pay attorney they don't do what they say they will. Not all cops are bad but in Lapeer I talked to 1 who told me he will arrest him every time he sees him and he did.  Why do they always believe the woman? They come to my house and spray him in the face once for putting his shoes on and he has asthma. I am not proud of his wrong doings but they did not have to put him in prison  when he did not do the crime either. He was recently arrested on his way to work one night 3rd shift for drinking and he wasn't. he was here with us.He spent the night in jail and we did not know it and lost his job and license. No one cares that I had 3 mental breakdowns and spent my holidays in the mental ward at the hospital locked up. slept in my clothes and prayed everyday for someone to let me out. This victim threatened my life years ago and my husband went to the state police 2 different time and they did nothing.The prosecutors always took her side.We had to sit in the courtroom and listen to all her lies. She called me contstantly and said she is not done putttting him behind bars either. He was convicted of home invasion and the landlord told me he was staying there and he belongs were there and we told the court appointed attorney and he was found guiltly anyway and owes $1,000. We are financially broke over this court system.Yes my son has a marj problem but the court system didn't have to do this either.THank your for your good work and God bless you and  your beautiful  wife would love to be in your audience if I could.   I have to start therapy next week to try to put my life back together.
 
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January 17, 2007, 9:02 am PST

No, it's not comparable.

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 I don't have much to debate over the issue of false confessions, but I do want to interject a bit.

I'm also from New Baltimore and would have graduated with Justin Mello. I can see why Jon is having a difficult time. Just seeing him on television today instantly shot anger into me even though I know two other men killed Justin. I don't believe Jon and the others killed my friend, however I feel like I'll always question whether or not they knew about the robbery or had some kind of involvement. I feel that the police were under a lot of pressure to solve the case quickly, after all New Baltimroe is a small town where murders just didn't happen. But I still have a hard time understanding how someone who didn't have any involvement or guilt could confess to murder.

What is more difficult for me is to know that the first glimpse America got of this story was not the story of Justin or his amazing family, which has been devestated since his death - but rather the story of someone else's pain and suffering. Not to say that Jon and his family aren't going through a lot because of this...but it just doesn't even seem comparable.

Justin's family has the support of the entire town to help them cope with their loss.  They had a tremendous loss, but are at least allowed to heal.  Jon and his family face shunning and persecution.  Jon was marked as a patsy and everyone is going along with it.

 

 

 
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January 17, 2007, 9:59 am PST

Bad guys. Bad confessions. Bad cops....

God bless ALL the wonderful law enforcement officers who help solve crimes and DO get the bad guy!

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For every bad apple, there are hundreds of good ones. This is across the board, regardless of profession. The media and we humans LOVE hearing about the bad ones...sadly.

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The biggest problem is that we Americans do NOT know our rights. It is up to each one of us to know them. We are read our M. Rights and it's our job to understand them. When we are asked if we want a lawyer, we're fools if we say "No." Police questioning ends when a lawyer is requested. That's to protect our rights under the Constitution.

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I pity those who have falsely confessed and I dispise those who knowingly "went after" an innocent person just to close a case. HOWEVER, those cases still are but a tiny percentage in the big scheme of things. We need to keep things in perspective!

 
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