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Topic : 01/09 False Confessions

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Created on : Friday, January 05, 2007, 10:49:03 am
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Would you ever confess to a crime you didn’t commit? What if the authorities, police you thought you could trust, said that you committed a crime and that they had evidence to prove it? Would you begin to doubt yourself, even though you knew you were innocent? Dr. Phil explores the psychology of false confessions. After a young man was shot dead at a local pizza parlor, Jon, 24, found himself behind bars. He then spent six months in jail before being exonerated from murder charges. Why did he confess to a crime he didn’t commit? What role did the police play in his confession? Learn how the truth finally came out. Then, experts say some ‘fess up for fame, others do so to escape torturous interrogations. No one knows the art of getting confessions better than 29-year veteran New York City Homicide Detective Louis Scarcello. Hear about his interrogations and decide for yourself if the tactics used by law enforcement cross the line into coercion. Then, Marty Tankleff was just 17 when he was convicted of murdering his parents -- based on what he says was a police-coerced false confession. Sixteen years have passed with Marty still behind bars, but the question remains: Did he do it? Share your thoughts here.

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January 17, 2007, 10:04 am PST

Sounds a bit fishy to me:)

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This is an excellent topic and I am anxious to see this episode.  I have had one too many experiences with dirty cops and therefore in my opinion all cops are dirty cops.  I know that this is not true by far, but I have yet to have even one good experience with the police.  The one or two times that I have needed their assistance for this reason or that, I ended up being treated with a disrespect that went over and above any boundary.  I am a college educated female that works every day and takes care of my family, so I expect the consideration and respect from law enforcement that they so publicly portray.  Sorry for being so one-sided on this issue; however, I feel very strongly that law enforcement take their authority too far at every opportunity.

 

Makes one wonder why you are having so many "experiences" with the police? One person can only be in the wrong place a few times before things sound fishy!


I used to hear alleged criminals in court before the felony judge; most tried to explain away their long criminal records by saying they didn't do it, they were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time, it was sombody else's fault, their friend made them do it, etc.

 

I realize you stated that you are law-abiding, but do you see how it sounds when you talk as if you have had numerous encounters with police....and the fact that each one was bad? Why is that most of us out here in TV land have NEVER had an encounter with the police, much less a bad encounter? Coincidence???

 
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January 17, 2007, 10:07 am PST

Innocent people need to know their rights

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People that are innocent usually are willing to talk the the police. If you do not mind me asking and if you are willing to answer.  What interrogation techniques do you use and train your officers to use after you read the person  the Mirinda Rights? Some officer's use the blame,  hurt, psychological problems, proof, and give the person choices as ploys.  Some do not.  I think you might help people to understand what goes on in the interrogation room as far the mean use use to get the truth from some one you are questioning.  Again innocent people usually do not feel that they need a lawyer and if they ask for one it give the impression to police that they are quilty.

"Again innocent people usually do not feel that they need a lawyer and if they ask for one it give the impression to police that they are quilty".

 

That's not law enforcement's fault! They can't help what an individual may think! They are not mind readers nor are they psychologists. Their jobs are to inform and then question if it is legal. The bad cops are like all other bad guys...they should be fired, arrested, prosecuted, etc. However, the good cops do their jobs, are fair and shoud be treated with respect. Lord knows wouldn't want that THANKLESS job!!!

 
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January 17, 2007, 10:13 am PST

Most parents won't believe guilt

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I have a son who made a false confession in Virginia and I am the PA mom who Mr . Tice was refering to.  I am not giving up the fight for justice either.  My son was also convicted solely on his confession . A  State Police fire scene investigator  investigated a fire in which a life was lost., my grandson.  He  shut the door and left the fire scene with out ruling out the electrical as a cause and he found no evidence of arson. Although while he was there he determined the origin and had taken samples to be tested. Those samples came back negative before the interrogation. His faulty investigation then led to a false confession and then led to an innocent person, my son, being convicted.  He changed his origin and ruled out the electrical that he never tested in the court room.  It is easy for the police to trick a person into confessing to crime they did not commit and it is easy for the police to change there originial findings in the court room to support it.   You are not alone in your fight for justice. I wish you the best of luck

"He has spent the last six years in one of Virginia's worst prisons Wallens RIdge, while we fight to prove his innocence.  He was convicted solely on the false confession of a former friend and the testimony of a jailhouse snitch." 

 

If both of your relatives are innocent, I  pray to God they are released soon. However, there are but a few mothers who would believe their children/family members are criminals, much less killers. And don't forget that a prosecutor and/or judge didn't find your relatives guilty, a "jury of their peers" (many people) took the time to hear all the evidence and come to a conclusion.

 

As a former law enforcement officer, I have yet to see a case won at trial that was won based solely on a "false confession" and a "jail house snitch." There are two sides to every story...the defense (yours) and the prosecutions (the public's).

 

Hopefully justice was served. If it were not, may God help your family members regain their freedom!  I am having to work to KEEP my cousin's killer in a Florida prison; his parents think he was innocent, too!!!

 
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January 17, 2007, 10:16 am PST

Smart people PREVENT crimes

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well just think about it! every man woman and child must carry a gun to feel safe? how safe is that? i feel safer being able to walk my streets not afraid some dumb ass with a gun is going to shoot me if my foot steps on the grass in front of his or her house.

Thank you, but  you have less to fear from some "dumb arse" with a gun than a criminal with a gun!  The media LOVES to report on such cases, but the reality of the situation is that a CRIMINAL with a gun will harm you and/or your family, not law-aiding gun owners.

 

I am a wife and mother and I carry a concealed weapon (by state permit). I will not be offering tea and crumpets to a home invader. My children will survive. Being at the will of a criminal is not only dangerous, it's purely foolish.

 
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January 17, 2007, 10:19 am PST

Ignore the poster

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Who said they don't?  Indian reservations have a high alcoholism rate, did you know that?  I visited one in high school (about a decade ago) and they DEFINITELY have booze.  No shortage of that!  They can have guns too.  The Native Americans do not HAVE to live on reservations anymore, either. 
How dare you state facts and tell the truth! :) Didn't you know many don't like honesty and frankness!
 
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January 17, 2007, 10:22 am PST

Humans have BIG egos!

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That Detective McCready who coerced the original confession out of him when he was a teenager  Detective McCready may just be the best proof of his innocence he didn't come off looking so good.  I was surprised that he even refused to consider the possibility that Marty might be innocent.

 

Nancy

 

a/k/a Wolfbitch... I just had to change that screen name!

Cops are no different than any other humans. Some get something stuck in their head and they dig in their heels. Having to admit one is (or could be) wrong takes humility.

 

Human egos are big. Law enforcement egos can be even bigger (I am married to a federal officer who is different than the norm....but I have been around MANY who work with him:).

 

Too many bad guys never pay for their crimes when lawyers and judges refuse to admit that someone else could be guilty (and hence refuse to reopen a case).

 
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January 17, 2007, 12:27 pm PST

hotinpa

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"He has spent the last six years in one of Virginia's worst prisons Wallens RIdge, while we fight to prove his innocence.  He was convicted solely on the false confession of a former friend and the testimony of a jailhouse snitch." 

 

If both of your relatives are innocent, I  pray to God they are released soon. However, there are but a few mothers who would believe their children/family members are criminals, much less killers. And don't forget that a prosecutor and/or judge didn't find your relatives guilty, a "jury of their peers" (many people) took the time to hear all the evidence and come to a conclusion.

 

As a former law enforcement officer, I have yet to see a case won at trial that was won based solely on a "false confession" and a "jail house snitch." There are two sides to every story...the defense (yours) and the prosecutions (the public's).

 

Hopefully justice was served. If it were not, may God help your family members regain their freedom!  I am having to work to KEEP my cousin's killer in a Florida prison; his parents think he was innocent, too!!!

I  am not the mom in your quote I am the other mom. I took it upon myself to question the system after my son's conviction. I reviewed all the evidence  In doing so I have found evidence of innocence that was overlooked.  This evidence makes the confession false. You say that a jury of their peers ( many people) took the time to hear all the evidence and come to a conclusion.  Not in this case. They did not hear it all.  The defense says that this case was not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.  I am not a scientist, however, when scientists  ( 4) tell me that my son was not there I believe them. So what I am saying is that this mom did  her homework and did not make a statement of innocence without evidence to support it. 

 
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January 17, 2007, 7:05 pm PST

01/09 False Confessions

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"He has spent the last six years in one of Virginia's worst prisons Wallens RIdge, while we fight to prove his innocence.  He was convicted solely on the false confession of a former friend and the testimony of a jailhouse snitch." 

 

If both of your relatives are innocent, I  pray to God they are released soon. However, there are but a few mothers who would believe their children/family members are criminals, much less killers. And don't forget that a prosecutor and/or judge didn't find your relatives guilty, a "jury of their peers" (many people) took the time to hear all the evidence and come to a conclusion.

 

As a former law enforcement officer, I have yet to see a case won at trial that was won based solely on a "false confession" and a "jail house snitch." There are two sides to every story...the defense (yours) and the prosecutions (the public's).

 

Hopefully justice was served. If it were not, may God help your family members regain their freedom!  I am having to work to KEEP my cousin's killer in a Florida prison; his parents think he was innocent, too!!!

sometimes there's 3 sides to a story.hers, his and the ours. we sat in courtroom and listened to all lies and hard to swallow. not everyone can afford a good lawyer to take to a trial either.also remember to there are battered men.our son was sent back here with 2 black eyes and clothes cut up.  Hopefully your son gets released soon. I served jury duty once and I know how it works.You have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and have actual evidence.

 
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January 17, 2007, 8:24 pm PST

falsel confessions

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well you need to teach your son if he tells the truth he has nothing to fear from the laws of man nor from the laws of god himself. and this is from Georgia i tell you this, Ive had first hand experience with the sheriffs dept and the local police all my life and i am yet to see a cop go over the line with any one, hell i guess I'm just the lucky guy all the cops seemed to pick to try to show the good cop side too lol, i learned early in life that police of every type are human beings, and with that in mind i treat them with the respect they deserve,after all if someone breaks in my home to murder my family there the guys and gals I'm going to call, its them that will enter my home not knowing what door way a murderer is hiding behind waiting to kill one of them, but they will search my home and either arrest the person that came to kill me or shoot them in order to make my home that i just thought was safe a safe place for me to sleep once again,they will put there very lives on the line and ask nothing in return but maybe a few questions, and I'm sure as hell not going to sit there and tell them i cant remember i don't know I'm not sure. I'm going to answer there questions with the truth nothing but the truth so help me god. after all the police will give his life to keep you alive doesn't he or she at the very least deserve us all to tell them nothing but the truth? a lie may just cost one of them there life, you never know, i sure as hell wouldn't want that on my conscience. one must remember lies can and will cose police there lives, and that isnt fair for there wives or kids, not fair for them most of all.!
My 16 year old told the truth again, and again, and again.  He was asked if he was with his friends all night.  He said yes....they were all at the party together all night.  They refused to question any witnesses that night that would prove where they were.  They did that during the next few days instead.  In case I wasn't clear....The three boys were already arraigned before they started investigating.  The only thing they went on were coerced confessions.  I tried to leave, and get an attorney.  They wouldn't allow it even though he was not read his rights.  The prosecutor and the police refused to accept evidence from other jurisdictions, and withheld a lot of evidence.  That is until the ATF forced the Macomb County prosecutor to accept the fact that the gun that shot Justin was with them the whole time.  If you aren't rich, you can't afford to talk to police.  As a wise attorney told me 'You are only entitled to as much justice as you can buy.'
 
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January 18, 2007, 9:02 am PST

Injustice In Bradford County, FL.

It is hard to put into words the feeling I have on this matter. For one to say that a person that pleads to a crime they never commited is guilty and deserving of what they get is self-righteous. In May of 1983 I was wrongfully convicted of a crime that I did not commit and can easily be proven that I didn't. Those involved in this injustice included the FHP, Bradford County Sheriff's office, the judge and the State Attorney's Office. I will not go into the details of this matter but the transcripts are available if you really want to see how easy it is to charge and convict someone. The lawyer I had was totally insufficent. Not to mention that everyone was related to one another in some kind of way. The jury of their peers found me guilty. I did my prison time. In 1987 I was again charged for something I didn't do. Should have left the county but my wife and family did not want to move. When faced with going back to prison and only having the public defender's office as legal representatives, I pleaded to something I did not do to avoid what I should not have ever had to face. I did end up divorcing my wife and leaving that area. But the scars run deep and have been there for 24 years. The sad thing about all this, it can't be undone. Can't even get a pardon. Life in FLorida.
 
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