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Our parents are among the most pivotal people in our life. They literally shape our minds and our personalities, teach us morals, values, and right from wrong. So when a parent disappears from a child’s world, the loss can result in a life-long quest. Dr. Phil meets two women whose child/parent bond was broken under two separate sets of devastating circumstances. Erica is in search of the man who murdered her mother when Erica was just a toddler. Erica says he tortured her mother, then shot her on the front lawn where she finally died. The man who committed this horrifying crime is Erica's own father! Then, Cressi has a daughter whom she hasn’t seen in nearly 20 years. She says her ex-husband snatched the girl from her home when she was just 8 months old. Did Cressi do everything she could to find her missing child, or does her daughter, Darby, have a right to feel abandoned? You will be amazed at what Dr. Phil finds as he goes in search of these missing loved ones. Talk about the show here.

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January 11, 2007, 4:45 pm PST

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It is hard to lose a parent. My dad was shot before I was born. He was shot 2 months before I was born.  It was an accident the guy claimed to the police. He spent 5 years in jail for manslaughter, because he waited for the police to show up. I spent years of my life angry because this guy took my father from me before I could even meet him. Prior to having my kids, I wanted to meet him and just ask him if he still thinks about that night. I watched todays show and listened to what Dr. Phil had to say..It was hard to listen to, but make peace with your life and think about all the positives you have. I tell myself everyday that even though he took my father, I still have the stories and the pictures that the family has given me. I will pass this on to my kids later on when they will be ready to know what happened to their grandfather. I learned that I can't keep being angry, because it is only affects me and my loved ones. It is not what my father would have wanted either. He made the best of his life and would want me to do the same thing. So remember the positives, it maybe hard sometimes, but you can do it!
Did you ever meet him?
 
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January 11, 2007, 4:49 pm PST

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yes, she seems very emotionally detached. i sensed that it is something that she wishes she could get passed, but is just too detached or something....or maybe just in denial.

I agree she did seem detached, but, different people react diferent ways to different situations whew...

Myself, I have been to many funerals, many of them people close to me and I come off as detached, cold and uncaring, why ? because I don't react the way people expect me to, I don't cry, or carry on.  So maybe its just her personality, she might be embarassed by public displays of emotion,just a thought.

I do hope she steps back and lets her daughter come to her, and I hope her daughter can come to terms enough to at least hear her out, then make the decision whether or not to persue the relationship further.

As for the self expression thing that Dr. Phil pointed out,many people have problems with that, and maybe she didn't have the means to express herself fully, or say what she really wanted to say.

But there had to be some amount of brainwashing there because of the venom that daughter had for her mother, I would be questioning what she was being told and why.  But then again we don't know the WHOLE story, or truth for that matter, and like another poster pointed out, twenty years ago the laws were very different when it came to parental kidnapping ( I'm not sure I'd say we've come a long way, but there have been some advances) and custody, I just think though since we don't know the whole situation, and no one but the grandmother had been there to tell the other side, it really is hard to say if she was really detached or defeated.

 
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January 11, 2007, 4:52 pm PST

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First of all i would like to say my father is really not suppose to be with in 100 yards of me due to his parole stipulation. We had to go though allot to make this happen. Second of all i don't have to justify anything i do or fill guilty for anything i want out of him. No matter what he did he still id my father and i cant change that. I grew up with out a father or a mother I know ill never see my mother again but what about my father. Just stay tuned for the show when we actually met face to face.
I feel horrible for you, but this man will only bring you more pain.   He did it and there's no getting around that that is who he is.  He cared so little for his child that the thought of causing her a lifetime of pain by killing her mom didn't stop him.  He may break down on the show and you may think he's remorseful, but he is only feeling bad for himself and his circumstance.  Drugs alone do not create a murderer.  You have to have it in you.  So getting off drugs is not going to make him a nonmurderer.  It is hard-wired into him.  He does not deserve to have any consideration from you.  You need someone, but he is not who you need.  I wish you the best and beg you never to allow any of your children to have contact with this man who has ruined som many lives.
 
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January 11, 2007, 5:14 pm PST

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The only reason to find parents that abandoned me is to ask questions about family medical problems.  Otherwise, if they didn't care enough about me to raise me, or even seek me out, why should i want a relationship with them?  Yeah, i can forgive someone, but i don't have to buddy up with them either.  I can go off and start my own family, that's within my control to do so. 

In some cases parents do their children a FAVOR by getting out of their lives. As a former parole officer, I can tell you that I have seen drug-addicted parents leave their children with family members because the drugs meant more to them than their own children.

 

Yes, that was their choice to try drugs and they must accept ownership of that, but in REALITY they did their children a HUGE favor by getting far away from them. Many grandparents, aunts, friends, etc, have become wonderful substitute parents to some of these kids. 

 

FORGIVENESS is  a gift you give YOURSELF....once you forgive the person who wronged you, the other person has no control over you. You can be at peace. Until you forgive, you will walk around with a big brick on your shoulders that affects all your other relationships (been there, done that for 33 years...since the age of 10).

 

Each case is different. Some of these adults who abandoned their kids for a reason I stated above, eventually get clean, feel remorse and truly want to be a part of their child's life...if the child will allow them to. Everyone deserves a second chance in life IF they have honestly accepted responsiblity for their actions/mistakes and worked hard to make amends.

 

 

 
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January 11, 2007, 5:23 pm PST

Today's Show 01/11/07

I felt that Dr. Phil was very harsh today. Was he in a bad mood or just reacting to the circumstances that were presented to him. In the first segment, I feel that the victim's daughter is in in over her head and I hope she will listen to Dr. Phil and his staff.

 

The second segment made me MAD.

I understand from what we were shown today and what we heard that is was a bit one-sided. I feel for the mother. The show did not explain her financial circumstances, now and 19 years or so ago. Where is the father today? Today we have computers and the internet and we did not have those available years ago. I felt he was unfair to her, although, he suggested that she might not be able to express her thoughts so that others might understand. I think the missing daughter might have been a bit brainwashed by the relatives she was living with. There is more to this story than was presented to us today. I and the others in my discussion group, thinks he was very High Handed, in the presentation of this story. Something is missing from this story todayl

 
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January 11, 2007, 5:26 pm PST

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me and my husband have been separated for 8 months know and don't know what to do .i don't want a divorce yet ,because i am not ready to give up on us yet. he got a drinking and drug problem and thats  why we are not together any more . i want him to get help but how can i make him see that without getting help they are no hope for us. i am in search of answers to our problems because we have a son together and i want him to be a father again. i don't know what to do give him up or give him another chance.if any body got any input please let me know thanks.

Your first DUTY is to protect your child at all costs. Put his NEEDS (and his need for safety) first....always. Your husband is too unstable and potentially dangerous for him to be anywhere around you or your son (especially your son). And think of the role model he would be for your son.

 

If your husband wanted you and your son more than the booze and drugs, he would have checked into detox and then into a treatment center. If he's on probation, treatment has already been offered (or court-ordered). At this time, you can do nothing for him, other than to avoid him. HE must want the help for himself.

 

He won't see ANYTHING until he's clean and sober. And until then, you cannot afford to allow him into your life (or your son's). The man cannot be any type of father (except a dangerous one who's a bad influence) at this time. Face the facts. Your son can't afford for you to be naieve.

 

PLEASE work on being independent and taking good care of that boy of yours. You have been blesssed with a child who looks up to you and counts on you to protect him. You are all he has at this time. Working on the relationship w/ your husband should come ONLY after he's clean and sober (and he's STAYING clean and sober). If he is not interested in getting/staying that way, for your safety and for your son's, you need to file divorce papers. Talk w/ a pastor or another trained professional before taking such a big step; it could really help.

 

God bless you and good luck. Remember, your son is counting on you to protect him while your husband is counting on you to enable him by taking him back now. Be smart, please. I am going to say a prayer for you and I hope you will do the same for you, your son and even your husband.

 
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January 11, 2007, 5:43 pm PST

Darby and Cressi

As a domestic relations practitioner of 25 year's experience, I have this to say about the Darby/Cressi story.

 

First,  the police do not generally get involved in custody disputes, calling them "civil matters" and referring the parties to civil lawyers.  A full-blown custody case will cost from $25,000 to $150,000 depending on the malice of the parties.  Had Cressi called the police, they would have done nothing unless she had a Court order awarding her sole custody and then they probably would have referred her the Court to file a contempt petition.  If Cressi had no money at the time (as is common in these cases) then she would have been effectively stopped at that point.

 

If she had shown up on grandma's porch demanding info about Darby, then grandma could, and probably would, have had her arrested for trespass.

 

In the cases in which I was the attorney representing the parent whose child had been snatched, the grandparent were in collusion with the snatching parent.  At no time did those grandparent tell their "snatching" child to give visitation or even telephone contact to the parent who had lost the child.  Nor did the grandparents facilitate contact on their own.  Darby's grandma did not tell Cressi she had Darby, nor did she bring the child to the phone, nor did she offer to meet Cressi with Darby.  She said she couldn't do anything unless her son said she could. 

 

On two occasions when I used habeas corpus to get children returned to the parent from whom they had been taken, the Court eventually ordered visitation for the parent who had originally taken the child.  In each of those cases, the parent who had originally stolen the child did it again, and in both instances, the grandparents were helping in the theft.  In both instances the snatching parent went to other states.  Those states did not recognize the Illinois custody orders and required relitigation of the custody issue.  The parents who had lost their children in these cases didn't have the money to initiate custody cases in foreign jurisdictions.

 

Legal Aid normally won't get involved in child custody cases.  Legal Aids don't have the resources to adequately handle these complex and time consuming cases.

 

Kidnapping laws are only helpful if they are drafted to cover the situation where a parent takes a child from the other parent.  Generally, kidnapping laws, if they apply to parent at all,  only cover situations where the parent who has lost the child had a prior valid Court order for sole custody.  If there is no sole custody order, then the whole matter is referred to civil court.  Generally, the parent who has lost the child to a snatch doesn't have the thousands of dollars it takes to initiate civil custody litigation.

 

The grandma in this case should have been pasted to the wall for her part in this tragedy.  Apparently she had Darby for at least 2 years and could have let Cressi know at any time, could have put the child on the phone, could have initiated contact -- could have done all in her power to restore normal mother/daughter contact, and she chose not to.

 

If Dad was a better deal as a custodian, why was his mother raising the child? 

 

I think the grandma was 110% behind Dad in this awful situation. 

 
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January 11, 2007, 5:48 pm PST

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After watching toda'y show regarding Darby. I had to ask myself Have I done all I can? I still believe there is more...I always will.

My niece was taken by her mother over 8 years ago. In the begining we were alowed to stay in touch and we did. We wrote letters,made phonecalls everything we could ( They moved to Alaska, Im in Florida). And in the state of Florida the courts said my brother had no legal recourse since they were never married even though his name is on the birth certificate. The legal system makes me want to scream !! After 2 years the new man in the mothers life took control of the situation and slowly elminated all contact. My mother ,My grandmother , My Brother( The Father) and myself all recieved a letter from the new boyfriend that stated we were no longer needed that , that she had a new family , At that point all contact was lost. Numbers were changed as well as addresses. I have posted blogs, joined chat rooms made friends through the internet who actually live in alaska they have gone by addreses I have found on the internet. I have contacted The Govenor's office, Police stations Department of children and families, schools, Newspapers, Radio stations,Family, Friends. I have ordered those " We can Find anyone" websites, Spent hundreds of dollars and still nothing. I have contacted T.V shows whatever I can and I will continue to do just that !!!  I know we will find her I have FAITH, and I just pray she will understand how much We have tried , Her Father has tried  and how much we  love her. My mother writes in a journal every night to Brittany she tells her about her day and what she has missed , She buys her gifts on her birthday and holidays and cards for all occasions. Maybe if Darby's mom would have had proof she would be a little more willing, From what I can tell, it was easier for the mom to "Say" not "Do". Actions speak louder than words.

Debra

 

 

 
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January 11, 2007, 6:02 pm PST

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After watching toda'y show regarding Darby. I had to ask myself Have I done all I can? I still believe there is more...I always will.

My niece was taken by her mother over 8 years ago. In the begining we were alowed to stay in touch and we did. We wrote letters,made phonecalls everything we could ( They moved to Alaska, Im in Florida). And in the state of Florida the courts said my brother had no legal recourse since they were never married even though his name is on the birth certificate. The legal system makes me want to scream !! After 2 years the new man in the mothers life took control of the situation and slowly elminated all contact. My mother ,My grandmother , My Brother( The Father) and myself all recieved a letter from the new boyfriend that stated we were no longer needed that , that she had a new family , At that point all contact was lost. Numbers were changed as well as addresses. I have posted blogs, joined chat rooms made friends through the internet who actually live in alaska they have gone by addreses I have found on the internet. I have contacted The Govenor's office, Police stations Department of children and families, schools, Newspapers, Radio stations,Family, Friends. I have ordered those " We can Find anyone" websites, Spent hundreds of dollars and still nothing. I have contacted T.V shows whatever I can and I will continue to do just that !!!  I know we will find her I have FAITH, and I just pray she will understand how much We have tried , Her Father has tried  and how much we  love her. My mother writes in a journal every night to Brittany she tells her about her day and what she has missed , She buys her gifts on her birthday and holidays and cards for all occasions. Maybe if Darby's mom would have had proof she would be a little more willing, From what I can tell, it was easier for the mom to "Say" not "Do". Actions speak louder than words.

Debra

 

 

It is sad how the legal system works. I don't understand if his name is on the birth certificate how she was able to take her out of state.  l live in NY and I know a father could fight for her to stay in the state. (my cousin did it with his ex.) It does not matter if they were married or not he is still the father. Maybe Florida laws are differn't. Did he ever get a lawyer? The sad thing is that 8 yrs is a long time for her to be brainwashed by her mother. I hope all turns out well for your brother and your family. God Bless.
 
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January 11, 2007, 6:06 pm PST

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As a domestic relations practitioner of 25 year's experience, I have this to say about the Darby/Cressi story.

 

First,  the police do not generally get involved in custody disputes, calling them "civil matters" and referring the parties to civil lawyers.  A full-blown custody case will cost from $25,000 to $150,000 depending on the malice of the parties.  Had Cressi called the police, they would have done nothing unless she had a Court order awarding her sole custody and then they probably would have referred her the Court to file a contempt petition.  If Cressi had no money at the time (as is common in these cases) then she would have been effectively stopped at that point.

 

If she had shown up on grandma's porch demanding info about Darby, then grandma could, and probably would, have had her arrested for trespass.

 

In the cases in which I was the attorney representing the parent whose child had been snatched, the grandparent were in collusion with the snatching parent.  At no time did those grandparent tell their "snatching" child to give visitation or even telephone contact to the parent who had lost the child.  Nor did the grandparents facilitate contact on their own.  Darby's grandma did not tell Cressi she had Darby, nor did she bring the child to the phone, nor did she offer to meet Cressi with Darby.  She said she couldn't do anything unless her son said she could. 

 

On two occasions when I used habeas corpus to get children returned to the parent from whom they had been taken, the Court eventually ordered visitation for the parent who had originally taken the child.  In each of those cases, the parent who had originally stolen the child did it again, and in both instances, the grandparents were helping in the theft.  In both instances the snatching parent went to other states.  Those states did not recognize the Illinois custody orders and required relitigation of the custody issue.  The parents who had lost their children in these cases didn't have the money to initiate custody cases in foreign jurisdictions.

 

Legal Aid normally won't get involved in child custody cases.  Legal Aids don't have the resources to adequately handle these complex and time consuming cases.

 

Kidnapping laws are only helpful if they are drafted to cover the situation where a parent takes a child from the other parent.  Generally, kidnapping laws, if they apply to parent at all,  only cover situations where the parent who has lost the child had a prior valid Court order for sole custody.  If there is no sole custody order, then the whole matter is referred to civil court.  Generally, the parent who has lost the child to a snatch doesn't have the thousands of dollars it takes to initiate civil custody litigation.

 

The grandma in this case should have been pasted to the wall for her part in this tragedy.  Apparently she had Darby for at least 2 years and could have let Cressi know at any time, could have put the child on the phone, could have initiated contact -- could have done all in her power to restore normal mother/daughter contact, and she chose not to.

 

If Dad was a better deal as a custodian, why was his mother raising the child? 

 

I think the grandma was 110% behind Dad in this awful situation. 

I agree with you 100%. Why did the father take the child from the mother to begin with? Like you said obviously he wasn't a fit father if his mother had the child, and mama was protecting her loser son instead of her innocent grandaughter.
 
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