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Topic : 01/17 Gender Identity Crisis

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Imagine waking up one morning and realizing that you’ve been living in the wrong body. That’s what Dr. Phil’s first guest says happened to her. Bernadette started dressing like a boy in high school. Now 37, she wants to be referred to as Cameron, and wants her breasts surgically removed. Cameron’s mom, Antoinette, and her aunts say she’s just angry, lost and confused. Will they ever accept her decision to become a man? Then, Sylvia’s 17-year-old daughter, Gwen, was murdered when a group of boys found out that she was one of them. The grieving mother weighs in on this important discussion. And, should a high school boy who dresses like a girl be allowed to use the girls’ bathroom? That’s the issue one Florida high school faced. The boy’s lawyer and two moms from the community engage in a heated debate. Plus, Jim and Linda’s 4-year-old daughter, Kayleigh, was born with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition where she looks like a female on the outside, but inside, she’s an underdeveloped male. Should the parents be forced to decide Kayleigh’s gender? Talk about the show here.

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January 17, 2007, 8:01 am PST

You have GOT to be kidding me...

I have been working with the transgender community for 5+ years, have attended many transgender events as well as several trangender leadership/media training sessions.

 

I am not shocked by the lack of educated comments here, as this is par for the coarse where gender disphoria issues are concerned. What shocks and concerns me is the grand scale lack of openminded communication and willingness to learn about those who were born different or have grown to feel their core gender does not fit that of what society has deemed as the 'norm'.

It is a very quick and simple remedy to these issues to close our eyes, pretend everyone in the world who is different from us, lives a unique lifestyle or makes different choices for THEIR lifepath is mentally unstable or a 'pervert'. This is a very closed minded, confused and scared way to respond to others. It is this very same mind set that gives way to poor relationships between races, genders and human beings as a whole.

 

Open you minds and understand that though you can burry your heads in the sand, the issues will not go away and the trans community has been, is and will continue to be an active part of our communities as a whole.

 

Things you may not know about the transgendered:

-Each transgender individual is required to attend several years of theropy with a professional who has been trained in transender issues and have appropriate documents signed and in hand before visiting a heath professional seeking hormone theropy or they will be denied the treatment. This is not an overnight decision.

 

-All those seeking to change their name legally to a cross gender name is required to seek legal counceling and present valid documents before a judge to prove their name chance is a legal and valid step on their path to a new life as the opposite gender or they will be denied this service. This is not an overnight decision.

 

-Many trans people choose not to proceed with the highly costly reassignment surgeries currently available to the trans community. They simply live their daily lives in a constant acting a role, performing for society's sake. They themselves are happy, productive people who often feel the need to play the roles that society has required of them in order to 'fit in'.

 

-All transgender individuals will need to remain on hormone theropy for the rest of their lives in order to maintain their new identity. This is a lifelong decision and is not something to be taken lightly.

 

Perhaps this person has not followed the above mentioned steps and perhaps she is not certain if this is the lifepath she is meant to take, but this is also not our choice to make for her.

 

Thank you for your time~

 
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January 17, 2007, 8:06 am PST

01/17 Gender Identity Crisis

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Thank you.  You are right.  Genetalia is only one aspect of what makes us male or female.  Some transgender people, particularly female-to-male, never have genital surgery...and even if they do, the results are limited.  So, one must consider, what kind of man do I want to be in the world?  How do I want to treat a woman I may be with?  I resolved within myself that I want to be a man of good character, ethics, compassion, manners, etc.  I wanted to express my masculinity in honorable ways.  The last thing I wanted was to turn into just another jerk of a man.  Your maleness or your femaleness is more than your body.  However, it is still important to feel at home in your body as best you are able.  Whether your body appears male, female, large, or small...we all want to feel like we belong in it.
I wish you all the happiness in life.
 
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January 17, 2007, 8:10 am PST

01/17 Gender Identity Crisis

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The daughter of a friend has recently announced that she is transgendered.  The biggest problem I have with this is that a year ago she was chasing guys...then 9 months ago she came out as a lesbian, 2 months later she moved to another state and then 2 months later gave us the transgender news.  She was allowed to start hormone therapy without the first bit of counseling.  While I understand the science of all of this, I can't help but feel this girl is confused and at the very least should have been required to go through some sort of counseling before taking the hormone step.  Why aren't there laws about this or guidelines that doctors have to follow in this?

 

The feeling I get from this in my conversations with her is that she's looking for a place to fit in...looking for a community.  She's perfectly willing to write off her friends and family and not look back.  I now understand how parents of children who have joined cults must feel!

 

If this is considered a real illness, how do they diagnose it other than the person telling them that's what it is?  And what are the guidelines in treating it?

A number of things could be going on here.  The important thing to realize is, there is so much stigma attached to being either gay, lesbian, or transgender that many youth, when very young, have to shove it deep down inside themselves in order to feel that they fit in or are accepted by their family and/or society.  Consequently, as they get older, they may have to go through a process or re-self-discovery to "remember" what actually is true for them, who they really are.  It's not uncommon for some transgender people in this process to try on different "roles" to see which one actually reflects their true self.  And, if a family cannot understand or accept them as they realize who they really are, it is true that the necessity to live as your true gender is so crucial for survival that if you must leave family and friends behind who do not understand, you do it.  It's either that or you're not really living...you're just a dead shell going through motions.  Now, that being said, I (and I'm speaking as a transman myself) would be concerned if your friend's child was authorized to take hormones without much therapy.  Because the effects of hormones have a number of things that you cannot reverse.  A doctor is not supposed to prescribe hormones without receiving a letter from a therapist indicating that they do indeed have gender dysphoria and are now capable and ready to transition to their true physical gender.  There are guidelines...and there are measures to "diagnose" it.  However, just because it is something to diagnose, does not mean it is an "illness".  A person can be a very healthy and happy well-adjusted person and be transgender.  The treatment most effective for resulting in a healthy well-adjusted transgender person is to physically transition to their mental gender.  And to partake in therapy for your overall ability to cope effectively with all life matters can't hurt either. 

 

 

 
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January 17, 2007, 8:18 am PST

01/17 Gender Identity Crisis

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And I would like to explain a few things.  She could never physcially become a boy because her condition is such that she cannot absorb the male hormone.  If she could have, she would have been a boy in utero... born a boy, etc.  Her behavior suggests strongly to me that she indeed FEELS like a boy.  So she's not ever going to make any sort of transition other than act like a boy, refers to herself as a boy and unfortunately will be a very curvy woman as she grows.  There will be nothing she can do about it.  It's not cut and dried.  God made a MAN or a WOMAN.... that's a joke.  Then what is my daughter?  She has been referred to by the medical profession as a "freak" or an "it".  What am I supposed to make of that?  She is absolutely beautiful and outgoing child.  My issue is how do I keep her happy?  That is my only goal in my life.  If I can face my maker at the end of my life and say that I did right by my kids - then I will feel i've done what I was put on this Earth to do.

 

It's not a sexual issue... she's only 4!  What do you bible thumpers make of this?

 

BTW. Jamie Lee Curtis was born with this same condition as was Pamela Guildy (regular actress on CSI - I have spoken to her on many ocassions.)

I think you do exactly what you said... you make her/him as happy as possible. You follow the lead of the child. One day the answer will just present itself, and hopefully by then there will be ways to help in whatever way there needs to be.

Whenever you talk about genitals bible thumpers get all bent out of shape. Just ignore it. They add stress and harm for no reason.

 
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January 17, 2007, 8:25 am PST

God doesn't make mistakes but sometimes genetics does

My mother had a classmate that everyone thought was the toughest girl in the world.  The guys didn't mess with her because she was so tough in appearance and mannerisms.  This was in the late 1950's.  She went on to live with a girl from the same class.  She was my mother's friend and so was the other girl.   Many years later she went through the process of gender change through John Hopkin's.  He is now still with the same woman and they live away from our small town that probably woud have a hard time accepting this but from everything I have heard over the years they are happy.  I had the opportunity to look through my mother's yearbook and it was amazing how masculine in appearance she was in HS.  I believe sometimes there are not really choices in the matter and the body gets mixed up during development.  How sad and confusing for someone who has to live with the confusion and feelings that probably are distressing and scary.  I would not want to have to walk in their shoes.

I believe God has his hand in everything and that is why there are avenues to help these people.

 
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January 17, 2007, 8:52 am PST

My Husband is male to female

My Husband is male to female. She told me before we were married and the next month i pop the question. I love her for who she is. I think the bravest thing that you can do is be your self and be happy! Life is to short to live life in  a lie. I support her and always will! There are worst things she could have told me. lol In fact the 1st words out of my mouth was "Thats way you haven't asked me to marry you!" We need to stop judging people! Stop hating people for what we don't understand. Offer support for those of us who need it.
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January 17, 2007, 9:01 am PST

A Reminder....

Let's remember to address the topic without personally attacking another member because their views are different from yours and try to keep this discussion progressing in the manner intended. Thanks.
 
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January 17, 2007, 9:35 am PST

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I'd hope we learned to not blame a higher power for our mistakes?  All the household cleaning chemicals alone is outrageous.  Most water is chemically treated, bottled water was tested and found not as safe as most faucet water?  Food filled with color, flavors? Medications scripted out for everything from in grown toe nails to sleeping aids? I don't think they really know all the effects of a woman taking birth control pills over time to the future generations?  I know we minimzed alot of polution but the effects is still with us.  I think the gene pool is made up from 4 generations on each side?  That is alot of potential for what could be a problem if both parents

carry samy links to problems to thier children?

 

The Bathroom?  Boys = male gender  Girls = female gender !  It is about the gender physically!

We cannot risk some court battle that ends up making bathrooms not private to genders! 

 

How we live, how the generations of dumping oils and chemicals in our ground made mistakes,

diets, medications and life style made mistakes.  Now the children are paying for it.

thats not Gods fault, it ours.

your basically saying don't blame god for any mess ups that happen in life correct?   So how is it we cant blame god if something goes wrong but We sure do praise him if our life is going right?  isn't that a bit hypocritical??  And if birth defects are a result of our mess ups, then couldn't a person thinking they are in the wrong sex body be a mess up even if it is our own fault, can we not fix our mess ups?  your saying that all the "pollution" is what caused all the birth defects, but at the same time, the argument was that god don't make JUNK, well god made us, he made us to have free will, we make "junk", then we should have the personal choice to fix it, if we are not to blame HIM.
 
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January 17, 2007, 10:03 am PST

what is difference between genetic and societal influence on gender identity?

What is difference between genetic and societal influences on gender identity? How would someone (particular doctors) figure out whether wanting to behave, dress, be like a male is based on genes or or society?

Someone who wants to be female might say that she wants to wear skirts, but what if, for the sake of argument, the culture that she lives in decides that skirts are male and not female clothing? In other words, what does she mean that she wants to be a female? Should therapists encourage people like her to adapt culturally defined gender behaviors?

 

I heard on the show that parents consider their child's comments and behavior before deciding whether the child should be anatomically changed to be male or female; however, some males (including myself) have "feminine" qualities and vice versa , and probably not all of them want to change their gender anatomically.

 
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January 17, 2007, 10:25 am PST

I'm confused

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My Husband is male to female. She told me before we were married and the next month i pop the question. I love her for who she is. I think the bravest thing that you can do is be your self and be happy! Life is to short to live life in  a lie. I support her and always will! There are worst things she could have told me. lol In fact the 1st words out of my mouth was "Thats way you haven't asked me to marry you!" We need to stop judging people! Stop hating people for what we don't understand. Offer support for those of us who need it.
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Your husband is male to female, so I take it you are female also.? You must live in a state where  same sex marriages are allowed? Not judging - just curious.
 
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