Topic : 03/14 Mr. Wrong

OK, so let's assume that the lighter fluid incident was an accident......

So how about a man living without an income, no electricity, charges for cruelty to a family cat, which I'm sure the children had a bond, not seeking medical attention for a 4-year-old, and filthy living conditions.

Nope, doesn't sound like it all happened by accident.  Simply sounds like a case of not taking responsibility for one's actions without regard for the innocent. 

Although we only know what was presented on the show it was enough for me to question both parents' ability to protect their children. 

I think Kelly and her husband are doing the only thing they know how to do to protect their grandchildren.  I give Kelly credit for stepping up to the plate to avoid having her grandchildren in the foster care system, which we all know is not perfect.  Although there are many wonderful, loving foster families (have one living next door), there are an equal number of foster homes that are sub par and downright dangerous.  I would question any grandparent's character for not doing the same, with senior health problems excluded of course.  I'm sure Kelly didn't plan on spending her golden years starting over raising children but thank heaven that she is.  And to say they are doing it for $246.00/month in disability and child support (Which is based on the parent(s) ability to pay.), is ridiculous and an insult to the rest of us parents that know what it costs to raise healthy, well-fed, educated and socially stimulated children. 

Maybe one day Earl and Heather can petition the court for visitation, but the courts obviously have enough evidence at this point in time to sever the relationship. 

I have a gut feeling that that was Heather or someone that knows them that posted the one you replied to. How else could you explain the venom in it?

No, Misty C this is not a joke.  I am NOT suggesting that the children be returned to Heather and Earl at this time.  I AM SUGGESTING THEY RECEIVE VISITATION.  I think it IS WRONG for Cliff and Kelly to use the children as a PAWN or a WEAPON.  )   So Kelly takes on Heather's 3 children, but THROWS HEATHER AWAY like she is a piece of garbage.  THIS I DON'T AGREE WITH.   ALL KELLY'S GOOD DEEDS to me are canceled out by her refusing to let Heather around her children.  I mean look at the other guy... a guy in prison has visitation with 2 little girls that aren't even his????  Now we have a mother who chose to be a mother who wants to see her kids.....  IF THE FOSTER PARENTS WERE NOT EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED IN THE SITUATION:  SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SEE THEM.

Yes, I agree there are things that need to be dealt with, with Earl and Heather, BUT HEATHER DESERVES TO SEE HER KIDS.  And if not:  MAYBE KELLY DOESN'T DESERVE TO SEE HEATHER SO SHE CAN FEEL WHAT SHE IS DOING TO HEATHER......  regardless of Heather's cleanliness issues........

Well first of all, I must start out by saying that I am a little biased in this situation because Sarah, the woman married to the man in prison, is my sister. However, I do know first hand what their situation is like. Sarah is happy and I support any decision she makes 100% as long as the outcome makes her happy. She has known Willy, her husband, for a long time. It's not like she just met some guy in prison and decided to throw her life away. They were friends before he was ever locked up. They have history together. Not only that, but why should she settle for some guy out here with money that can take care of her and her children, etc if that type of guy wouldn't make her happy? She's already found the person that fulfills her spiritually. I think it's admirable for someone these days to marry for love as opposed to what they can do financially or physically for one another. I've been there when these two have visited eachother and they are so in love. The words spoken between them are romantic in a way I've never seen between a couple out here. Knowing my sister and her history in the love department, I'm completely happy for her and I don't care what anyone says. Don't judge them for you're not in their shoes. It's not your authority to judge their actions.

Well first of all, I must start out by saying that I am a little biased in this situation because Sarah, the woman married to the man in prison, is my sister. However, I do know first hand what their situation is like. Sarah is happy and I support any decision she makes 100% as long as the outcome makes her happy. She has known Willy, her husband, for a long time. It's not like she just met some guy in prison and decided to throw her life away. They were friends before he was ever locked up. They have history together. Not only that, but why should she settle for some guy out here with money that can take care of her and her children, etc if that type of guy wouldn't make her happy? She's already found the person that fulfills her spiritually. I think it's admirable for someone these days to marry for love as opposed to what they can do financially or physically for one another. I've been there when these two have visited eachother and they are so in love. The words spoken between them are romantic in a way I've never seen between a couple out here. Knowing my sister and her history in the love department, I'm completely happy for her and I don't care what anyone says. Don't judge them for you're not in their shoes. It's not your authority to judge their actions.

I think I realize the "fire" is only the straw that broke the camel's back.  It's the thing they focus on.  It's probably more "not seeking medical attention" than the actual fire.  Also, whenever these cases come up... something that is always left out is that  CHILDREN ARE NAUGHTY.  And they are.  They will do what you tell them not to do.... And they will do what you tell them not to do after reminding them 100 times....  I mean how many times have you heard someone say to you:  DON'T PLAY WITH MATCHES!  (1,000?)

"So how about a man living without an income, no electricity, charges for cruelty to a family cat, which I'm sure the children had a bond, not seeking medical attention for a 4-year-old, and filthy living conditions?"

True, not the best environment, but STILL falling into the category of NEGLECT and NOT NECESSARILY INTENTIONAL HARM TO A CHILD.   WHO KNOWS WHY PEOPLE LIVE THE WAY THEY DO?  but they do.  Those messy home shows have been on here......

I just think Kelly needs to think about Heather's feelings.  And she's not.  She's mad at her and therefore, helping her kids, BUT "getting back at her" by not letting her see them.  I know people who are perpetually messy and I know people who are perpetually clean....  sometimes the messy one's are more relaxed where the clean one's are more tense and make you feel uncomfortable...  Perhaps Heather needs to learn the different between Messy and Unsafe messy????? I still think it's wrong for Kelly do this to her.