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Bullying has been making front page news and causing outrage across the country. It’s a dangerous trend that has grown out of control. Dr. Phil plays a disturbing video that has been broadcast all over the Internet and news. Three high school girls brutally pummel a young girl while a video camera captures every slap, punch and horrifying kick. Steve Levy, the Suffolk County Executive, joins Dr. Phil via satellite, to discuss the vicious attack. Then, Natasha is a 15-year-old bully who admits that she has no problem pushing, hitting and cursing out any student who doesn’t do what she says. Natasha faces off with Sarah and Dory, two girls she continually taunts at school every day. Will Sarah and Dory retaliate by resorting to “mean girl” behavior, or will all three come to a compromise? And, Dr. Phil’s son, Jay, has an empowering message for the teens. Plus, the school principal and the parents of Natasha, Sarah and Dory weigh in. Have you been the victim of a bully? Share your story here.

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January 25, 2007, 7:06 pm PST

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My son has been bullied at his school since kindergarten.  I didn't realize that it was happening until he started throwing up everyday before school.  I finally sat down and asked him what was going on and he told me that several boys at school were beating him up at recess.  I decided to go to the school myself to see if I could catch the boys beating up my son.  I sat there for over an hour until the children came out for recess, no sooner did my son get on the playground the boys were running up behind him and threw him to the ground.  I looked at the supervisors on the playground to see what they were doing and every single one of them were huddled into to groups talking.  I got out of my car and ran over to assist my son, I had every intention on just taking him with me but I didn't want to get into trouble for taking my son off of the school property.  I decided to then go into the school and talk with the principal about what I had just observed on the playground.  The principal  told me and my husband that their supervisors aren't paid very well so you basically get what you pay for!   My son is now in the fifth grade and he still continues to deal with bullies on a daily basis.  My son tries to make friends with other students but they turn him down and tell him that he cannot play with them.  It is heart breaking as a parent to feel so useless in this type of situation.   We've even tried to get the superintendant to meet with us and he replied that is unusual for him to meet with parents.  I have discussed this issue with other people and they feel that I would have a strong legal case against the school but I would rather not have things go that far.  I had wrote a letter to the Dr. Phil show and was given an invitation to be on the show with my son  "Bullies Caught On Tape" but after discussing it with my husband he felt that it might alienate my son even more.  We have taken our son to counseling but that doesn't stop him from being bullied at school.  One day I asked my son to write down how he felt about school, these were his exact words:

 

It feels like that I don't want to ever go to school again.  I just want to make them take those words back.  Or I just want to go to a different school.

I have to deal with this every day of my life except for Saturday and Sunday.   With people make fun me and my friends and hurting us just feel like making them pay back.  And it frustrates me, makes me feel sad, and angry like I just want them to hurt until they can't take it anymore.

 

My heart truly breaks for my son and I'm not really sure where we go from here.......... 

 "My heart truly breaks for my son and I'm not really sure where we go from here"

Mommy96,  you should be sure to take your son out of that damaging, toxic environment...now.  If you have to homeschool or move to a new school district or send him to a private school,  do it. Because that's what parents do for their children,  In a way, You are participating in the bullying yourself by allowing him to be tortured on a daily basis and not removing him from the situation.
 
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January 25, 2007, 7:21 pm PST

Just a few thoughts.

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I read so much about what parents can do to help their kids who are being bullied by other children, and also from kids who are bullied or those who are doing the bullying, but no one EVER talks about how to PREVENT a young child (age 3 or 4) from developing into a bully. 

 

My son is 4, and he was an only child for almost 3 years.  Now I have a 1 year old little girl.  SInce he started pre-school at age 2 he was always anxious, strong-willed, aggressive and dominant. 

 

This year, his teacher told me he was "bullying" another student in class and it broke my heart !  I am a very involved stay at home mother, I also substitute teach at his pre-school occasionally.  I have read ALL the books and watched ALL the TV shows on discipline and I feel that I am doing "all the right things". 

 

Where did I go wrong?

How is this happening to my child !  What can I do to change his behavior !!!

 

I am stressed, anxious, sad and depressed over this issue....I don't want any child to be hurt emotionally or physically by my child.  Through all my research I have found no information on how to deal with this HUGE issue.

 

Any thoughts?

At that age, children don't really feel a whole lot of empathy but you can still talk to him about how he would feel if the other child did that to him. And make sure there is a punishment for him for when he does bully. Like having to sit by himself until he is able to calm down and think of a better way to handle the situation. Also re-inforce the good behavior. Like the chart with stickers adding up to a special treat at the end of the week. In the past, when my daughter was younger and the playground was her ony social realm with other children she was not allowed to play with children who were mean to her or to other children. Now saying that, please understand that each child started with a clean slate every day. I didn't hold anything against them. However, if she was mean to any of the other children we imediately went inside and she wasn't allowed to have her morning or afternoon play ground time (depending of which one we were at) If it happened in the morning she got another chance in the afternoon. This may have been one of the reasons her teacher did not understand the full effect the bullies were having in Kindergarten. When they were mean she would leave the girls alone and go play with the boys. Her teacher was very impressed and continually commented on how self confident my daughter was! Now, when she was younger she was quite a bully herself but I quickly fixed it by using the above three methods. I hope this helps!
 
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January 25, 2007, 7:33 pm PST

Yes, I am basically saying that.

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So you are basically saying that the ones (like myself) who choose to homeschool are taking the easy way out? That we are supose to leave our child in a school were she is learning absolutely nothing??? My daughter still deals with bullies. They are in her girl scout troop and at AWANAS, however she is able to LEARN at home, without fear of ridicule. She was paralyzed when it came to trying anything new. Now she is flourishing. She will decide when she is ready to go back to school. However, right now she is learning the basics, wich she has to have in order to learn anything else, in a safe eviroment. Schools are no longer safe enviroments. And she is learning to deal with bullies OUTSIDE of the school enviroment so it isn't affecting her ability to learn. No, if your child is in a situation where they are unable to learn or in danger, then as a parent, I feel it is your obligation to remove them from the  situation and protect your child. While studying to become a homeschooling mom I read a book by a homeschooling family who also had to homeschool because their child was in physical danger. A child can not learn in that enviroment and they can not function in life with out an education. So if homeschooling is an option that is feasible for that family and their child will thrive in that enviroment then they should take it. If switching my daughter to another school where she would be able to learn, i.e. a private school, was an option I would have tried that. If we had been able to stay in the states and leave her at the school she began first grade in, I would have. However, we live in Japan our only option is the DoD school. I don't think I did anything wrong and I don't feel like I should send a kindergartener into battle at school. Again, I did not take her completely out of a social enviroment. These bullies are everywhere and she is able to deal with them in other places. But not at school where the stakes are so high.

  You take your child out of school, they are safe you cry in relief, but they haven't learned the lessons they needed to learn.  The ONLY lesson you have taught them is to run and hide, and to let their friends suffer in their absence.  You have taken your child away from everything GOOD that school offers, friends, puppy love, sports, and being part of a community, to hide them in a closet.

  The run away and hide option works only for now, what about tomorrow?  If you join the army they call bullying "hazing" there.  Are you planning on home military training?  Or if the gangs move to your neighbourhood, are you planning to tell them to attack the people next door, because you did home schooling?

  Or are you hoping that the people like me who learnt the hard lessons will protect you?  If so, forget it, becaue the very next lesson I learnt was the "I'm With Him Lesson."  Where the cowards picked on the bullies from hiding and put the blame on me.

  You have to learn the lessons sooner or later, there is no hiding or escaping

 

  So what does a parent do?  They explain the right lessons to the child, HELP them to learn, and they wipe away the tears and heal the bruises.  Just good, loving, solid support.

 

  The hard lessons in life ARE hard, but once learned they can save a lifetime of hardship

 

 
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January 25, 2007, 7:44 pm PST

Do what you have to...

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So you are basically saying that the ones (like myself) who choose to homeschool are taking the easy way out? That we are supose to leave our child in a school were she is learning absolutely nothing??? My daughter still deals with bullies. They are in her girl scout troop and at AWANAS, however she is able to LEARN at home, without fear of ridicule. She was paralyzed when it came to trying anything new. Now she is flourishing. She will decide when she is ready to go back to school. However, right now she is learning the basics, wich she has to have in order to learn anything else, in a safe eviroment. Schools are no longer safe enviroments. And she is learning to deal with bullies OUTSIDE of the school enviroment so it isn't affecting her ability to learn. No, if your child is in a situation where they are unable to learn or in danger, then as a parent, I feel it is your obligation to remove them from the  situation and protect your child. While studying to become a homeschooling mom I read a book by a homeschooling family who also had to homeschool because their child was in physical danger. A child can not learn in that enviroment and they can not function in life with out an education. So if homeschooling is an option that is feasible for that family and their child will thrive in that enviroment then they should take it. If switching my daughter to another school where she would be able to learn, i.e. a private school, was an option I would have tried that. If we had been able to stay in the states and leave her at the school she began first grade in, I would have. However, we live in Japan our only option is the DoD school. I don't think I did anything wrong and I don't feel like I should send a kindergartener into battle at school. Again, I did not take her completely out of a social enviroment. These bullies are everywhere and she is able to deal with them in other places. But not at school where the stakes are so high.

I agree...If your kids are being bullied on a daily basis at a public school, and the school authorities refuse to do their jobs, then get your child outta there!  Put your child in the best environment you can- there are bullies anywhere.  I'd rather have a kid deal with bullying in a higher caliber institution where they actually care about the reputation of the school then get beat up everyday by pre-gang members at an uncaring public school (not every public school is like this, but many are).  If you feel you need to home school, do that-at least you have the option of controlling their environment.  Different kids have different needs so it depends on how sensitive the child is and other factors.

 
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January 25, 2007, 7:48 pm PST

01/26 Bullies

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 "My heart truly breaks for my son and I'm not really sure where we go from here"

Mommy96,  you should be sure to take your son out of that damaging, toxic environment...now.  If you have to homeschool or move to a new school district or send him to a private school,  do it. Because that's what parents do for their children,  In a way, You are participating in the bullying yourself by allowing him to be tortured on a daily basis and not removing him from the situation.

       

 

 

   mommy96,i hear you,my 15 year old boy gets picked on constantly and sometimes the resources arnt available for you to just up and move..my son is overweight and autistic.,he has a heart of gold,but over the years ive seen his heart change,hes more bitter,and he takes alot of it out on me..the best thing is always talk to him and let him know how important he is to you and how terrific that when he finishes his education,half of the bullies wont and after he graduates he will never have to see those people again..and he can continue to be the wonderful person he is..tell your little guy what comes around goes around..i truely believe that.and i dont believe running from your problems is your answer because if it happens at a different school,then what?move him again?good luck to all of us parents who have the heartbreaking job of helping our children through these tough times....

 
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January 25, 2007, 8:13 pm PST

Autism makes it harder.

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   mommy96,i hear you,my 15 year old boy gets picked on constantly and sometimes the resources arnt available for you to just up and move..my son is overweight and autistic.,he has a heart of gold,but over the years ive seen his heart change,hes more bitter,and he takes alot of it out on me..the best thing is always talk to him and let him know how important he is to you and how terrific that when he finishes his education,half of the bullies wont and after he graduates he will never have to see those people again..and he can continue to be the wonderful person he is..tell your little guy what comes around goes around..i truely believe that.and i dont believe running from your problems is your answer because if it happens at a different school,then what?move him again?good luck to all of us parents who have the heartbreaking job of helping our children through these tough times....

  Mommy96,

  I have had to deal with a girl who had Attention Defecit Disorder, but not, to this date, autism.  I do understand that it is very difficult on the parents and child though.

  So let's start at the beginning, with the things I do know  :)  He's overweight.  Now THIS is something you CAN deal withand it will boost his confidence in himself too.  Get some good pictures of slim, muscular men and both of you, work towards that goal.  What 15 year old boy doesn't want to be muscular.  Do it together, the exercises, the diet and encourage him all the way.  And get him to encourage you too.  :)

  I'm glad you can see that running away isn't the answer, but we DO need an answer, and being autistic makes that hard.  Is he good at sports?  If he is, then that could be an answer.  The team will protect him and he will help protect the team.

  OK  I'm at a loss at the moment.  If you give me some feedback I might be able to think of more  :)  What are his skills, abilities and things he does well?

 

  Steel

 

 
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January 25, 2007, 9:30 pm PST

Bulllying is up to you

Bullies are everywhere.  Work, home,  schools, church, etc...Schools in my area are trying to do something about them, but you have to start first at home. That is where children learn what they live. Parents need to take responsibility and not suppose the schools/teachers will solve all. Take action,  step up and volunteer!
 
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January 25, 2007, 9:49 pm PST

Do you have children?

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  You take your child out of school, they are safe you cry in relief, but they haven't learned the lessons they needed to learn.  The ONLY lesson you have taught them is to run and hide, and to let their friends suffer in their absence.  You have taken your child away from everything GOOD that school offers, friends, puppy love, sports, and being part of a community, to hide them in a closet.

  The run away and hide option works only for now, what about tomorrow?  If you join the army they call bullying "hazing" there.  Are you planning on home military training?  Or if the gangs move to your neighbourhood, are you planning to tell them to attack the people next door, because you did home schooling?

  Or are you hoping that the people like me who learnt the hard lessons will protect you?  If so, forget it, becaue the very next lesson I learnt was the "I'm With Him Lesson."  Where the cowards picked on the bullies from hiding and put the blame on me.

  You have to learn the lessons sooner or later, there is no hiding or escaping

 

  So what does a parent do?  They explain the right lessons to the child, HELP them to learn, and they wipe away the tears and heal the bruises.  Just good, loving, solid support.

 

  The hard lessons in life ARE hard, but once learned they can save a lifetime of hardship

 

I am sorry but I have to completely disagree with you.

 

So let me answer your questions:

First of all I am a former Marine, My husband is a Marine, so home military training?? I don't think so my daughter is a child, not an adult. What they do in boot camp is break you down to build you back up into a Marine. Children do not need to be broken down. They need to be encouraged, supported and loved, they need to know they can always fall back on a soft place at home.

 

"Or if the gangs move to your neighbourhood, are you planning to tell them to attack the people next door, because you did home schooling?"

 

What? I don't get it? Why would I tell someone to go attack someone else?  Hopefully I will never have to live in an area where a gang is. We will probally continue to live on base until we get out, then it is deffinitely back to the country for me. I hate living on top of other people. And umm, what does homeschooling have to do with gangs??? I homeschool so my daughter can learn in a safe, supportive enviroment.

 

 "Or are you hoping that the people like me who learnt the hard lessons will protect you?"

 

I have been discussing current events so far but obviously we'll have to go back to when I was in third grade. First of all I was lucky enough to never be bullied. However, it doesn't mean I have never witnessed it. I moved alot when I was little, however, I always made friends quickly. When I was in third grade, at yet another new school, there was a little boy that everyone picked on, it made me sick to see it, I was a sensitive child. So I ask him to play with me and another little boy who was also new in our class. He did and when the other kids came over to ask him to play, so they could pick on him, the little boy and I told them to go away, that he was playing with us and that we didn't need friends like them. They left him alone and when I moved later in the year he wote me a note on my last day, in purple crayon, that thanked me for helping him and standing up for him. I still have that note. When we later moved back to our home town and I was faced with even more vicious little girls, who told me that they really wanted to be freinds with me but they couldn't if I continued to be freinds with a little girl who's parents "didn't have money" I remembered that little boy and I told them they could be freinds with me or not I didn't care, they backed off and left Angela alone and didn't ostricize me. So no, I don't need help from you.

 

I do not associate with people who bully other people and I never have. Neither will my daughter. I have told her the story of Randy. She stood up for other little girls. However I will NOT tolerate my daughter being bullied while she is struggling to learn. I will NOT leave her in a situation that is detrimental to her future education. I did not run and hide. If I had she would not still be in Girl Scouts, AWANAs and other community events with the little girls that made fun of her. She would not be standing up for herself now against them in other enviroments. I gave her a safe place to learn, which in turn gave her the self confidence to stand up to them in other places.

 
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January 25, 2007, 10:22 pm PST

In answer to your question

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I am sorry but I have to completely disagree with you.

 

So let me answer your questions:

First of all I am a former Marine, My husband is a Marine, so home military training?? I don't think so my daughter is a child, not an adult. What they do in boot camp is break you down to build you back up into a Marine. Children do not need to be broken down. They need to be encouraged, supported and loved, they need to know they can always fall back on a soft place at home.

 

"Or if the gangs move to your neighbourhood, are you planning to tell them to attack the people next door, because you did home schooling?"

 

What? I don't get it? Why would I tell someone to go attack someone else?  Hopefully I will never have to live in an area where a gang is. We will probally continue to live on base until we get out, then it is deffinitely back to the country for me. I hate living on top of other people. And umm, what does homeschooling have to do with gangs??? I homeschool so my daughter can learn in a safe, supportive enviroment.

 

 "Or are you hoping that the people like me who learnt the hard lessons will protect you?"

 

I have been discussing current events so far but obviously we'll have to go back to when I was in third grade. First of all I was lucky enough to never be bullied. However, it doesn't mean I have never witnessed it. I moved alot when I was little, however, I always made friends quickly. When I was in third grade, at yet another new school, there was a little boy that everyone picked on, it made me sick to see it, I was a sensitive child. So I ask him to play with me and another little boy who was also new in our class. He did and when the other kids came over to ask him to play, so they could pick on him, the little boy and I told them to go away, that he was playing with us and that we didn't need friends like them. They left him alone and when I moved later in the year he wote me a note on my last day, in purple crayon, that thanked me for helping him and standing up for him. I still have that note. When we later moved back to our home town and I was faced with even more vicious little girls, who told me that they really wanted to be freinds with me but they couldn't if I continued to be freinds with a little girl who's parents "didn't have money" I remembered that little boy and I told them they could be freinds with me or not I didn't care, they backed off and left Angela alone and didn't ostricize me. So no, I don't need help from you.

 

I do not associate with people who bully other people and I never have. Neither will my daughter. I have told her the story of Randy. She stood up for other little girls. However I will NOT tolerate my daughter being bullied while she is struggling to learn. I will NOT leave her in a situation that is detrimental to her future education. I did not run and hide. If I had she would not still be in Girl Scouts, AWANAs and other community events with the little girls that made fun of her. She would not be standing up for herself now against them in other enviroments. I gave her a safe place to learn, which in turn gave her the self confidence to stand up to them in other places.

  To answer your question, No, I have no children of my own, have I raised children, yes I have and loved them as much as if they were mine.  A while ago I raised four kids full time (their father played the computer and their mother had "sick headaches" in bed all day), but whenever she got out of bed it was no small occasion.  She immediately started kicking, punching and slapping the children, and telling the older ywo girls (who were both from different fathers than the current husband) that she wished she had never had them.

  Why was I there?  I guess you could say I was kidnapped.  I was asked to stay for a week and never let go home for a year.  So  raised the kids, ran a panel beating shop (which I also had no experience in) until I was finally let go.

  The second oldest child was Attention Defecit and it took me over 6 months to finally get her to some stage where people were not terrified of her, but finally she became a kind, loving, girl.  I was proud of her and she was proud of herself.

  Every afternoon i helped with homework, and each child improved greatly in classes, every night I read a book to them all, and then I cooked meals for the family (I had no experience in cooking for 7 people either).

  So, in answer to your question, I have no children of my own.

  My mother used to tell me on a daily basis that I would never be good enough to be loved (she also whipped and beat me daily), and I never was good enough.  I never got married and never had children.

  As for the other points, I have said my piece, arguing backwards and forward will do no one any good, so I will leave it there.

  Now you can feel justified to write and say I have no right to talk about raising children because  have none of my own, or else someone else will.

 
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January 26, 2007, 12:47 am PST

Bullies

   It makes me really sad that bullying goes on everywhere.  I live in Melbourne, Australia and it's the same problem over here as over in the States.  I guess it goes on all over the world.  I find that violence is increasing so much and teens glorify it by putting it on the internet.  We had a similar case here as those three high school girls episode where they put it on the net and on the news.  So nothing changes.  Here in Melbourne there were about 10 teens involved, all from private schools, where they raped a girl, filming it on camera, and set fire to a place where the dweller, a homeless man died in the fire.  It's so tragic how this generation has embraced this kind of ugliness.  I hope that these attackers or bullies will somehow find themselves accountable for their own actions.  I myself was bullied as a child as i was an ugly kid and scared to talk to other kids.  I felt worthless while the bullies seemed so powerful and in control and seemed to enjoy seeing me as an ugly worthless kid.  I remember i was only 6 or 7 at the time.  I survived it but i then hung around kids that wanted to play with me, even if it meant that i only had one friend instead of a group.  I remember being scared of people and of authority too as the people in charge of the school didn't seem to do much about it.  I still find that i carry that fear of people with me, even now sometimes i wont go to a person's place if i know that person talks and criticises other people behind their back. Maria 3255  
 
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