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Topic : 01/26 Bullies

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Created on : Friday, January 19, 2007, 01:29:59 pm
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Bullying has been making front page news and causing outrage across the country. It’s a dangerous trend that has grown out of control. Dr. Phil plays a disturbing video that has been broadcast all over the Internet and news. Three high school girls brutally pummel a young girl while a video camera captures every slap, punch and horrifying kick. Steve Levy, the Suffolk County Executive, joins Dr. Phil via satellite, to discuss the vicious attack. Then, Natasha is a 15-year-old bully who admits that she has no problem pushing, hitting and cursing out any student who doesn’t do what she says. Natasha faces off with Sarah and Dory, two girls she continually taunts at school every day. Will Sarah and Dory retaliate by resorting to “mean girl” behavior, or will all three come to a compromise? And, Dr. Phil’s son, Jay, has an empowering message for the teens. Plus, the school principal and the parents of Natasha, Sarah and Dory weigh in. Have you been the victim of a bully? Share your story here.

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February 3, 2007, 2:17 pm PST

Thanx for the compliment, juliebgg

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Hi bactphd95.  i've gotta say, your reunion story made my day!  There is nothing like handling cats with class, and you and your husband did that, AND got the last laugh.  I bet their mouths dropped open, and I guess they needed quite some time to do the math because, based on their actions,  they don't sound particularly intelligent!!!

 

Cattiness is a form of bullying, especially when something demeaning is said to someone's face.  Then there's the behind the back stuff that can be lethal.  I've experienced both, but feel that I am stronger for having survived it.  Let's face it, this stuff goes on every day at work too, but due to my early training from dealing with elementary and high school cats, I can comport myself so much better when it happens with alleged adult cats.

 

bactphd95, if it is approaching dinnertime where you are, I suspect you are in the eastern time zone as I am!  Enjoy your evening and I look forward to more of your great and inspiring posts.

 

Julie

Glad you appreciated the story!! I watched their gears grind for a bit...then the lightbulb went on LOL!

 

'...great and inspiring posts," huh?  :-) :-) I'm no mental health guru, but I just plod along and contribute to the discussion where I can, i.e., the show boards if I find the topic du jour interesting, and the "Co-Parenting" and "School Issues" boards (on the main "Message Board" page, under the subheadings "Raising Kids" and "Pre-School/School-Age" respectively).

 

In case you are unaware, also under the "Pre-School/School-Age" subheading is a "regular" message board that deals with the topic of "Bullies" (I confess, I've never visited it, I just know it's there & gotten some play lately).

 
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February 4, 2007, 1:15 pm PST

THE BULLY - THE BULLIED - THE BYSTANDER

The bully, the bullied, and the bystander are three personalities in a tragic dynamic occurring daily in our homes, workplaces, schools, playgrounds, and streets.  Unfortunately, we live in a culture that rewards bullies and blames targets; Schools pretend not to have a bullying problem; Parents model or teach bullying at home; Adults do not see or hear the cries of kids who are bullied.  Some of my favorite reads which provide a great introduction into this subject are: 

 

 

Bullycide:  Death at Playtime by Neil Marr and Tim Field

 

The Bully, the Bullied, and the Bystander:  From Preschool to High School--How Parents and Teachers Can Help Break the Cycle of Violence by Barbara Coloroso

 

Treating Personality Disorders in Children and Adolescents by Efrain Bleiberg

 

 

One overwhelming scenario is that children by and large do not tell parents or others about their being abused.  The few that do tell often find their story discounted by teachers, parents or both.  By and large much of the abuse suffered by these youngsters is viewed by adults who were aware that a child was bruised, suffering emotional abuse or verbal torment as being only "boys will be boys" or "girls will be girls".

 

Hope it helps!

 

 
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February 4, 2007, 2:10 pm PST

Bullying in schools

        Bullying was a big problem where I went to school. There was always someone being bullied somewhere over something. Those video tapes that Dr. Phil showed was nothing new to me........

         I believe that the bullying behavior first gets started at home. Its either parents bully there children. It can be brothers bully brothers, sisters bully sisters, or brothers bully sisters. This all starts at home where children develop the bullying behavior. The parents let it happened the children learn it to be Okay and then its a behavior that children just take to school with them.

    In order to fix a bully it needs to get back to where they learned the behavior. Which I think is at home because Children just don't become bully's by attending school everyday. The behavior has got to come from somewhere else...........

 
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February 4, 2007, 10:03 pm PST

totally agree

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 "My heart truly breaks for my son and I'm not really sure where we go from here"

Mommy96,  you should be sure to take your son out of that damaging, toxic environment...now.  If you have to homeschool or move to a new school district or send him to a private school,  do it. Because that's what parents do for their children,  In a way, You are participating in the bullying yourself by allowing him to be tortured on a daily basis and not removing him from the situation.
Hi, I totally agree with this person. If you've done everything in your power because it's your problem not your sons and nothing has succeeded from this, then you get him out. He doesn't have a choice but you do and the first decision to make is to protect him no matter what. You have to go with the facts, are the school been responsible for his well being, are you being responsible for his well being and if there are more negatives than positives then you have to make the decisions to change things to benefit him. Being tormented as a child is one of the worst things that a child can cope with in life. Some can cope more than others but they're not ment to, they haven't learnt all the skills of life yet and they are not suppose to of, that's why we're there to teach and guide them, our love is what teaches them confidence to live life for them. So if you've tried to get the school to listen, maybe tried talking to the parents of the bullies and tried at home with your own support and nothing is working, then cut him a break and change schools, doing your homework first and finding out their polocies on bullying. Kids learn first from the home, if you can own the problem and show some back bone dealing with it then that's where he'll learn pride for himself. You don't have to put up with it any longer and either does he. You're not running away, you have tried and it didn't go to your expectations so you go to plan B. Unfortunately we can't solve all the bully problems but you can save your son he should be your only concern not the kids bullying, as that is now the schools problem and who would want their child going to a school like that, they don't deserve him. Teach people to appreciate him and that he doesn't deserve any less, good luck. Lauren
 
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February 5, 2007, 9:20 am PST

you're welcome bactphd95

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Glad you appreciated the story!! I watched their gears grind for a bit...then the lightbulb went on LOL!

 

'...great and inspiring posts," huh?  :-) :-) I'm no mental health guru, but I just plod along and contribute to the discussion where I can, i.e., the show boards if I find the topic du jour interesting, and the "Co-Parenting" and "School Issues" boards (on the main "Message Board" page, under the subheadings "Raising Kids" and "Pre-School/School-Age" respectively).

 

In case you are unaware, also under the "Pre-School/School-Age" subheading is a "regular" message board that deals with the topic of "Bullies" (I confess, I've never visited it, I just know it's there & gotten some play lately).

You're welcome, bactphd95!!! And yes, I do enjoy your insightful postings!!  Keep 'em coming! I have visited the other boards on bullying too and haveposted a couple of times but not recently. I have also visited the workplace bullies board since I was unfortunate to once have a bullying boss.  Thank goodness that is in the distant past now, but I try to help others who are dealing with it now.  Julie
 
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February 5, 2007, 10:37 am PST

hmm

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what bothers me is the fact that these girls who were getting bullied are hurting themselves because of the bully hurting them.

Mind I say that I am 17 years old, and we have had our school on the news twice this year.  Once for online bullying, and another just the regular gun threat in today's pubic schools.

The one girl cut herself and the other one had serious stress and worry problems. They are hurting so bad. That is seriously really really upseting.  I mean I might joke around at school TO MY FRIENDS, but I would never ever say anything that would hurt someone to there core.

Cutting is an issue that needs more attention, and let me say it isn't just am "emo" thing.  They don't like the pain.  Let's just say I speak and I know what I am talking about.

The other girl, she is so young.  How can she honestly have so much stress? I ask myself the same question.  I am stress target and worrying fanatic. I don't think we need to add to other people's worrying with our stupid and frankly- selfish words and acts.

Someone needs to stand..-

Sarah

 
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February 7, 2007, 11:10 am PST

ADULT FEMALE AGGRESSION AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE

If you answer "yes" to any of the following questions, you may be interested in reading some of my favorite reads which provide a great introduction to the subject of adult female bullying:

  

Do you feel that anything you say or do will be twisted against you?

Do you find yourself concealing thoughts and feelings to avoid horrible arguments?

Are you the focus of intense, violent, and irrational rages, alternating with periods when they act normal and loving?

Do you feel manipulated, controlled, or lied to?

Are you accused of things you never did or said?

Does no one believe you when you explain what is going on?

 

 

 

The Psychology of Female Violence by Anna Motz

 

Get Me Out of Here:  My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland

 

Understanding the Borderline Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson  

 

Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Know...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

 

Though harder to spot, emotional abuse is easier to deny.  But just as physical and sexual abuse have signposts to make their presence, emotional abuse, being a systematic attack on one's sense of self, has common traits.  Just as physical and sexual abuse come in degrees of severity, emotional abuse runs the gamut of intensity and damage.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 
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February 7, 2007, 11:59 am PST

anon slc..interesting list of questions

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If you answer "yes" to any of the following questions, you may be interested in reading some of my favorite reads which provide a great introduction to the subject of adult female bullying:

  

Do you feel that anything you say or do will be twisted against you?

Do you find yourself concealing thoughts and feelings to avoid horrible arguments?

Are you the focus of intense, violent, and irrational rages, alternating with periods when they act normal and loving?

Do you feel manipulated, controlled, or lied to?

Are you accused of things you never did or said?

Does no one believe you when you explain what is going on?

 

 

 

The Psychology of Female Violence by Anna Motz

 

Get Me Out of Here:  My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland

 

Understanding the Borderline Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson  

 

Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Know...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

 

Though harder to spot, emotional abuse is easier to deny.  But just as physical and sexual abuse have signposts to make their presence, emotional abuse, being a systematic attack on one's sense of self, has common traits.  Just as physical and sexual abuse come in degrees of severity, emotional abuse runs the gamut of intensity and damage.

 

Hope it helps!

 

I found your list of questions very very interesting.  I once had the misfortune of having a boss that fit right into that category.  I left that job a long time ago, and I kmow  that this woman continued to do this to others after I left and I would bet that she  is still out there somewhere doing the same things to other people.  She just loved the power trip of "going after" people. Sick woman!
 
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February 8, 2007, 10:15 am PST

Well, it's about time!!!!!

Finally, someone is paying attention to bullying!  I was the victim of bullies constantly in school, and even the guidance counselor would just say that if I just ignored them, they'd stop.  Finally the rest of the world is realizing what an utter load of manure that is!  The other one that gets me is the rhyme about "Sticks and stones may break my bones..."  I don't know about anyone else, but given the choice, I'll take the sticks and stones.  Words hurt worse.
 
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February 8, 2007, 10:16 am PST

Well, it's about time!!!!!

Finally, someone is paying attention to bullying!  I was the victim of bullies constantly in school, and even the guidance counselor would just say that if I just ignored them, they'd stop.  Finally the rest of the world is realizing what an utter load of manure that is!  The other one that gets me is the rhyme about "Sticks and stones may break my bones..."  I don't know about anyone else, but given the choice, I'll take the sticks and stones.  Words hurt worse.
 
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