Topic : 07/18 Fatal Attraction?

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Created on : Friday, January 26, 2007, 01:51:56 pm
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(Original Air Date: 01/29/07) Everyone wants to be loved, but what happens when being the object of someone's affection turns creepy or even fatal? Celebrities are not the only targets – stalkers can be found in any neighborhood and town. Michelle says her ex-boyfriend, Melvin, is obsessed with her, and she fears for her life. Melvin admits he constantly thinks about Michelle and can't live without her in his life, but he says he gets mixed messages from her. Find out the extremes Melvin has gone to in his relationship with Michelle, and why his actions prevented him from coming to Los Angeles for the taping of the show. And, why does Dr. Phil tell Michelle she's playing with fire? Then, Katrina has been infatuated with rap star, Jay-Z, for the last three years. She sends him 200 e-mails a day, has called him over 300 times and has even tried to befriend his best friend and sister. She is convinced that if Jay-Z met her, he would want to be with her, but is she willing to risk jail time just to get close to him? And, meet a Hollywood actress who was stalked on the big screen … and then in real life. Why does she fear her stalker may strike again? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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July 23, 2007, 4:48 am PDT

Speaking of delusional....

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Give that person a cigar.  Dr. Phil et al struck out on this one.  But he often does when the person needs drugs rather than counseling, because psychologists often are unable to see beyond "therapy" (except that everyone needs antidepressants).

Look at the woman's past history.  She had an obsession with someone at church when she was 9.  They suggested she had a similar problem when she was 5.  This has been her lifelong pattern.  They totally failed to appreciate that the woman was appearing on the show not to get help, but so that JayZ would finally see her and their relationship could finally happen.  Her thinking was that "if only he knew how I felt, he would be as attracted to me as I am to him".

This woman is delusional.  My guess is that she's schizophrenic based on the irrationality and persistence of her thoughts.  This is not bad decisions based on emotion, it's bad decisions based on irrational thinking.  She doesn't have mood disorder, she has a thought disorder.  And she's had it her entire life because it's genetic/neurological/biochemical.

And it's not going to change by trying to talk her into "better" behavior by trying to educate her about the folly of her pursuit, because her lack of logic makes that impossible.  She probably has "special knowledge" about how JayZ feels about her, if only she can get a chance to help him realize it himself.  Those who would try to educate her just don't understand that.

And it's not going to change by threatening her with prosecution or jail time.  That presumes that her behavior is a choice that is a result of a failure to understand the social and legal norms that govern our behavior, and that she is just going to say, "Gosh, I didn't realize that I was carrying this so far that it's even illegal."  She doesn't believe that she's doing anything wrong because her grasp of reality is poor.

And it's not going to change by instilling in her better values.  Beyond this she may have normal values.  She probably views a potential relationship with JayZ as a way of helping him to stay away from "bad" people such as Beyonce, and so her desire for a relationship is consistent with her good values.

Don't threaten her, don't educate her, don't moralize her, and for crying out loud don't naively enable her.  Recognize her problem as a thought disorder and put her on the right drugs. Counseling doesn't fix everything, because everything isn't caused by issues; issues often are a result, not a cause.
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July 26, 2007, 4:43 pm PDT

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Who exactly is David Foster?I can't place the face with the name. Has he appeared on the show in the capacity of an advisor? I'm just curious. Thanx.

I haven't been here awhile b/c I've been really busy. Well, since my time's short here, I can only give you a brief describsion of my object of affection. Anyway, here goes.

 

David Foster is not a celebrity per se, but a well-known figure in the popular music industry. He's an uber-producer/composer/arranger/songwriter. Many of those power ballads [most of them from the 90s] that we take for granted? Chances are, he wrote and/or produced them. [You know that catchy song you hear on that Nice 'N Easy commercial advertising hair dye? It's 'Got To Be Real' by Cheryl Lynn, which David produced and it was a big hit just 30 years ago.] He sings, too, but just doesn't show it off that much. He's also produced much of Josh Groban's music [who I also used to have a crush on several years ago, but it was a very brief phase]. I'm still a fan, but I'm not as crazy about Josh Groban as I used to be. David Foster's also worked w/ Celine Dion, Barbra Striesand, Kenny Loggins, Michael Jackson, Leann Rimes, Mariah Carey, Destiny's Child, Whitney Houston [on 'The Bodyguard' soundtrack], Faith Hill, Kenny Rogers, John Lennon, Michael Buble, Chicago, Richard Marx, Bryan Adams, Andrea Bocelli, Clay Aiken, Katherine McPhee, and many others. Here's what he looks like:

 

[w/ current gf/Dutch model Jolanda Hadid]

 

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/366/73282359id8.jpg/

 

 

I hope I don't offend anyone when I say this, but it has to be said. Since Dr. Phil is a celeb himself [at least he is to me], it's very easy for him to get up on the soapbox preach to the guests [who have issues w/ celeb obsessions] about how to live their lives and not obsess over people they will likely never meet and don't know 'like that' [I dunno why, but the word 'personally' seems more offensive to me]. I honestly don't think that any of those guests [w/ celeb obsessions] that have been on Dr. Phil's stage have changed... not that I know of. He doesn't seem to be that helpful to some of the people who come see him. But on the other hand, some of the guests don't even WANT help; either they just wanna be on television, or their friends and/or family members coerced them into going on the Dr. Phil show. Let's face the facts [and I'm mainly dealing w/ people w/ celeb obsessions]: some people either don't WANNA change, or they just CAN'T, even if they WANTED to. That said, there's no point in wasting THEIR time or Dr. Phil's time going on the show.

 
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October 8, 2007, 10:07 am PDT

Help!

This is so close to home.  I dated a guy for a year and a half.  We broke up once and that day he chased me down in a car with his son in the backseat.  The night prior he kicked my son's clothes out of the house, threw his medical supplies against the door which prompted me to leave my own house.  When I returned, I thought he had gone but I found him sitting in the dark in my bathroom.  I ran up the stairs and locked my son and myself in my bedroom.  He called me 87 times the day he chased me down.  He has since somehow erased the tape I made of those messages. He also called frontier airlines to find out about my travel itinerary - this was after he showed up on my front porch crying in front of his son last July.

Weeks later he claimed he was getting help and was invovled in church and the Bible, etc.  I slowly let him back in.  Well, by this July I broke up with him again because of the same behaviors.  He showed up at my door crying.  He threatened to kill himself.  He kept calling, emailing and texting me.  At one point  on August 10 he left horrific messages because I changed the locks on the door of MY house.  He then got upset because I wouldnt list my house with him - he is a realtor.  After all attempts had been made to physically contact me (including to my family members) he then went to my ex husband and his girlfriend who hate me to give them lies about me.   So then the girlfriend makes a false report to child protective services, she questions my son about this stalker, then she calls and makes a false report about my sister to her place of employment. 

He then decides to go to a person who is suing my former employer pro se to tell him lies about me.  Since then he has posted slanderous statements about me on various blogsites and his parents have been contacted and supposedly they have put him into a few mental health facilities but he lies to them and he gets out and his parents support him.  His brother was convicted of some crimes that was precipitated by him stalking his ex girlfriend (stealing her mail, chasing her down).  Keep in mind, my stalker has 4 charges against him by an ex of stalking - he was acquitted in all of them. 

I have no idea what to do because he knows the boundaries of the law so well.  He showed up at my son's daycare - but he brought his son to make it look appropriate.  My son said "Mommy, I hid so he wouldnt see me."  Pathetic.

 
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October 21, 2007, 11:22 am PDT

Erotomania!

 

 

 

 

                                    I think Katrina has what is called erotomania.  It's a psychological disorder.  What happens is the person it affects has a delusional belief that they are loved by another when in reality they are not.  Typically this disorder affects women who's lives have been disappointing.  Their prey can be anyone, but primarily is a celebrity of any kind.  They go to great lengths to please their target with the false belief that that person loves them in return.  Katrina is a classic example.  All the signs are here of a fabricated relationship and that she has already crossed the line from Neurotic fatansies into criminal behavior.  She definitely needs help!

 

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