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Created on : Friday, January 26, 2007, 01:55:18 pm
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(Original Air Date: 1/31/07) The media bombards the public with images of stick-thin bodies, but not all men prefer these types of women. Self-proclaimed "Chubby Chasers" love their women curvy, round and voluptuous. Clayton says he likes the rolls on his wife, Cheryl's, 300-pound body, and he loves to watch her butt jiggle. Cheryl says that she wants to lose weight but fears that if she does, she might also lose her marriage. Does Clayton sabotage Cheryl to keep her overweight? Dr. Phil has a plan to get them both what they want. Then, Phillip says he prefers to date women who are at least 250 pounds. His twin brother, Paul, says he's disgusted by the plus-size women, and his brother is embarrassing the family. He even makes fun of Phillip's dates when he brings one home, calling her fat and stinky. Will these brothers ever be able to find a middle ground? And, go inside a nightclub that caters to big women and men who can't get enough of them! Talk about the show here.

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July 3, 2007, 1:37 pm PDT

It is an inferiority complex...

Most people pick on large people because they have their own inferiority complex.  Are these people afraid of the rolls coming to their waists?  Or, is it that you were picked on as a child and decided that you do not want to be around people you once had as friends?<--- That is my sister, actually.  She was a nerd until high school and hung around the fat and unpopular.  Once she broke the glass ceiling and became popular, she decided that hanging around "inferior" people was not something to do and would damage her reputation.  This attitude has followed her into adulthood just like many other people.

 

For me, I don't care whether a man likes me or not.  If he thinks I am disgusting, that is OK.  I prefer not to associate with stupid people.  Truly intelligent people assess a person for what is inside and what is in the brain.  Actually, some of the most ugly and fat people in this world are the most beautiful on the inside and brilliant.  These people are so involved in what they enjoy that there is little time for boyfriends/girlfriends, dating, exercising, and eating right. 

 

These are the type of people I prefer.  People that have a life doing something other than living their small lives with the opposite sex and breeding like rabbits.  Let me ask this group of people something...how many people are going to remember you after your dead?  Think about this...do you know your great great grandmother's first name?  The exception to this are the kids...you might actually know your great great grandmother :).

 

Fat people like myself...it is OK.  Worry about the weight only for your health vs being married and having children.  There is so much more to life than being married, having children, and dealing with a big mortgage.  For the people that are concerned about being alone, there is hope as you saw on Dr. Phil's show.  So, if you are worried about finding a guy, just hang in there.  For me, I have too much life to live to be concerned with such small problems.

 
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July 3, 2007, 1:47 pm PDT

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Queen L may indeed be healthy (although I doubt it), but as she ages, her health will deteriorate due to the excess weight. The heart and lungs and joints all pay the price when we are heavy (take this from a heavy woman). At 44, my health problems are just starting to take shape (due to my weight). It won't get better unless I make the CHOICE to change the way I live (think, eat, handle stress, etc). The queen is younger than I.

 

It's great that one is self-confident when s/he is large; however, I have a feeling that what they show on the outside to strangers is NOT what they feel when they are alone and looking in a mirror (or seeing a doctor for health problems related to weight).

 

The queen herself had her breast size reduced due to health problems; she's one smart cookie. Hopefully she'll work on losing the weight so she'll live a longer, healthier, happier life.

 

It's ALL about HEALTH, not LOOKS (that's atleast how it should be:).

 I think that our society is so rude to and prejudiced against fat people that it's almost impossible to tell what we want to do for health and what we want to do to be seen as more beautiful and accepted as people. Proof of this is how incredibly *un*healty most weight-loss diets are. If people really just wanted to be healthier, wouldn't they think more about good nutrition and physical activity (and stress reduction, and getting enough sleep, and so on and so on) instead of weighing less?  And would people insult fat people if it really were all about health?

Maybe one day society will actually be sane about weight and health. I'd like to see that. 

But we are so far from that-- In the meantime, I personally think I'm better off feeling good about myself and trying to live a healthful life, instead of identifying the problem as "fat" and trying to lose weight.  (I'm 5'4" and around 280 lbs.) Actually, I do feel confident in my choices and looks and all; it took a lot of work to get to feel this way, though.

 
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July 3, 2007, 1:54 pm PDT

Are pregnant women fat?

I was wondering how Paul and others felt about pregnant women? Pregnant women may be small to start with and then gain more weight than expected. What would these men do that love their small women do if their size 2 wife became pregnant with twins and put on bed rest and put of 50 pounds.
I am just curious if they still feel the same weigh or consider that "fat" okay. I am a small woman and know that I may gain weight as I age or as I have children. I am comfortable with the possibility of no longer being petite as is my husband. I just hope men like Paul would still love their wife if she gained "too much weight" when she was carrying his child.

 

 
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July 3, 2007, 1:56 pm PDT

What REAL MEN want

In case anyone wants to know the truth: No man, and I mean NO MAN wants a morbidly obese woman. There are some insecure guys who are in relationships with unattractive women simply because they don't have the confidence to score with a truly sexy girl and are fearful that another man would be too much competition for them with a sexy girl.  But if you watch these guys, every time a really sexy girl passes by, their eyes are fixed on them. I've seen it a hundred times! A REAL MAN wants a woman he can lift in his arms.

 I hope the situation never arises where their house catches fire and the fat woman passes out from the smoke and these "fat worshipers" are left with the task of carrying their 600 pound beauties to safety. 

 Any man that says an obese woman is what he wants is lying to you and to himself. All of you who want to reply with your heartfelt opinions, please feel free to chime in, but the TRUTH has been spoken.

 Tune in next tme when I speak the truth about the unhealthy, pathetically thin, anorexic "Twiggy's" that are on the other side of this coin.

 

Peace

 
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July 3, 2007, 1:59 pm PDT

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I hear that constantly from my family- you need to lose weight it's not healthy on and on-

I'm 5'3" and currently at #225 I have been heavier after having my kids #280 tops and down as low as #140 but diets don't stick my lifestyle as a single mom, full time teacher and full time grad school student don't leave me much time to do much else but family, work and school.  My weight is up but my blood pressure is fine, cholesterol is fine and I feel OK with myself.  When I look in the mirror I see someone pretty I don't see the FAT person everyone else apparently sees. I notice it when I see a picture of myself but when I see it I don't believe that's me! I shop at Lane Bryant and am ok with myself.  I have had hard times dating and keeping a boyfriend but that was when both heavy and at my lightest of 140 so to me that shows size doesn't matter it's been my choice of guys.  Dr. Phil I want to know where these guys are and clubs are..so you can hook me up! They aren't in Reno Nevada!

Laurie :)

 

 I think one of the worst thing about current attitudes towards weight is that almost everyone thinks in terms of making it down to insurance-chart weights, which isn't practical for everyone. Yet medical studies show that losing even 10% of your weight can make a big improvement in health. I think this is because you can lose that much by doing things that are healthful in themselves, such as eating better (more fiber, less fat and better fats, more plants, less sugar- and flour-based foods) and having regular physical activity.  If you have to go beyond that and be hungry to lose more weight, I personally don't think it's worth it. But since so many people think in terms of "that goal weight or nothing," people who could be living healthier lives aren't.

I think it's great that you're happy with yourself. I think you should make time to eat well and do some physical activity, because you do need that to be healthy, but not fret the scales. Frankly, you sound a lot like me: for me, trying to get to and stay around 140 was as tough as getting my graduate degree, and I decided it was of a lot less benefit to my life.
 
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July 3, 2007, 2:08 pm PDT

narrow minds

I have to say after watching this particular episode I was pretty disturbed.  There are many reasons why people are overweight.  Society is so very narrow minded.  I have always been full figured, and not obesely so.  I thought I was so fat and ugly because of all the societal messages that are thrown at us. I couldn't imagine why a guy found me attractive in my rebenesque form.  When I would see a real heavy person (esp. a woman), my self esteem was so bad I would say I'd kill myself if I ever got that large.  It seemed unsightly and gross to me.  I started battling severe depression about 18 years ago.  Weight gain started at that time.  I was in a very troubling marriage, that mimicked a very troubled childhood.  As a child I was sexually molested, as an adult I was stalked and sexually assaulted. (Not uncommon for childhood survivors) I had a nervous breakdown after my seperation, got my life back on track long enough to go to college, as a single parent with 3 children.  I had a great job that I loved.  In the course of one year I had two car accidents, caused by the other drivers mind you,  (One reared ended me, one ran a red light and totaled my car)  After the second accident I had to quit my job.  In the two years following I have had 4 surgeries on my arms and shoulders, and still have medical problems.  My neck has three herniated discs and my back has herniated and bulged discs.  Needless to say I have to pace myself and still require pain meds for a comfortable daily life.  Now for the good part.  I can't even look at myself in a mirror because I have gained about 120 lbs. that I'd love to lose.  It's hard as medically it hurts.  I intend to join a gym as soon as I am financially able, but  I am sure the going will be slow.  I think back to my earlier size and would LOVE to be there. 

 

The moral of this story is IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU.  I never thought I'd be here in this fat body.  Given the stigma of mental illness (depression) and obesity ~ I would pick depression.  Society seems to shrug off the first, and is brutal to the second.  It is not a choice.  Sometimes it is a circumstance that is not self created.

 

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July 3, 2007, 2:11 pm PDT

fyi for ignorent people

not all fat people are unhealthy and being fat is not always a choice........it is a very complicated issue and there is a lot of research and different theories  out there as to the causes and I think there are many causes .........it is ashame the way some people hate others based on appearance ......I say live and let live  and treat others the way you would want to be treated........and don't judge a person until you have walked in their shoes...........some of us will battle weight our entire lives and others will never have the problem no matter how much they eat can't you see that.........so why why not let fat people live in peace without humiliation and hatred toward them life is to short  why make theirs miserable just go live you own life and leave them alone ......stop hating of all kinds it in itself is unhealthy for everyone!
 
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July 3, 2007, 2:12 pm PDT

marriage

  Speaking from experience, some guys do like large women.  I lost over 200 lbs with attempts at sabatoge all the way.  When my before pic was in the paper, my husband sadly said "oh, there's my baby."    However, my husband  has come to realize that when I am happier about myself, we can be happier together.
 
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July 3, 2007, 2:12 pm PDT

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It is too bad ignorance still abounds in the 21st century!! For someone to assume just because you are overweight you must be lazy and stupid is ridiculous!! I have been overweight my whole adult life and I am neither lazy nor stupid.  I have been a nurse for 18+ years and have always had the respect of my coworkers, physicians, and patients.  I have always been a hard worker, coming in on my days off to help out.  I am currently living alone with no prospects because men can't get past the fact that I am fat, even though I always am dressed nicely, with makeup on and hair fixed.  People act as if you are invisible most of the time.  I AM large, but proportionate with curves in the right places; I do not in any way resemble a blob, nor do I smell.  I have been around skinny chicks who smell; it is a matter of personal hygiene, not size.  It's too bad this world judges the outer shell instead of the real heart inside.  Thanks for "listening"!!
 
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July 3, 2007, 2:13 pm PDT

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Quote From: swchick

 You wrote: "So someone that takes care of themselves, and is on medication that makes them gain weight via water retention and appetite triggers, so obesity under those circumstances says something about you"

Obesity ( which, FWIW, has a medical definition, and which can be distinguished from "water weight" or a few extra pounds) is not just an external wrapping.    It is, in fact, part of the whole package that represents characteristics of the individual.   And you are deliberately mischaracterizing my carefully worded post, cine you must understand that I mentioned the reality that  obesity is a (sometimes unconsciously registered) sign of underlying health problems AND/OR genetic problems AND/OR emotional problems or character issues.  (And secondly,  do you not see the irony of your protest?  "Please overlook my signs of poor health, because, um, I have a chronic medical condition." )

We have evolved to prefer mates with certain characteristics that indicate health and youth  and acess to resources that maintain health- men in particular are drawn to these signs of  fertility and the ability to successfully care for children produced by the union...  Its natural, when given a wide pool of applicants, to go for the ones you find attractive and start looking for the best "character" and emotional match among that screened pool.
 I don't know how familiar you are with the effects of prednisone, for instance, but large doses cause both hunger and water-weight-gain of much more than "a few pounds," so someone with lupus, for instance, could indeed be obese due to medication.

But you know, prejudice against people with illnesses bothers me even more than prejudice against people who get fat by overeating--and I think there's no sane reason for *that*.  Physical health is only one aspect of what makes a good mate; people with illnesses need and deserve love too; and youth and health, sociobiologically or not, are never permanent characteristics.  Heck, not all people *want* children; some would be just as happy adopting; and fertility hardly matters in a late-life marriage!  We all have our nonnegotiables in a mate:  yours may be youth and health, while mine are intelligence, humor, reasonableness, and a good attitude towards sex.  I happily fell deeply in love with a brilliant, caring guy whose asthma was uncontrolled at the time, and I'd do it over again any day of the week. (We've been together 25 years so far.)
 
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