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Topic : 07/17 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

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(Original Air Date: 02/06/07) An intensive workshop continues in The Dr. Phil House as three wives turn their husbands in to Man Camp in a last-ditch effort to save their marriages. After Scott refuses to clean up a mess in the house, he has an angry discussion with Dr. Phil and storms out. Can his wife, Tara, convince him to give the experience another shot for the sake of his marriage and his family? Then, John and Nic roll up their sleeves and begin to clean the house, while their wives secretly watch in amazement. Will they have a new appreciation for what their better halves do on a daily basis? Plus, Dr. Phil sits down with Nic and Amanda. What did they do to nearly get kicked out of The Dr. Phil House? And will Amanda agree to bring in the man she’s been having an affair with, so she can tell him in front of Dr. Phil that it’s over, once and for all? Join the discussion.

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February 7, 2007, 11:54 am PST

02/06 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

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How exactly do you respect an abuser?

Advising people to respect their husbands "no matter what' is about as far from common sense as one can get. 

You asked what these women would have to lose by respecting their husbands no matter what.  Ummmm... how about their lives, for starters?  You do know that an abuser can take it to the next level and actually kill their spouse?

Imo, this advice is the worse ive read on these two boards!  Seems to me, youre confusing normal relationship troubles with abusive realtionship troubles.  Big mistake!  All these lil ideas you gave for what respect looks like works in a normal relationship.  NOT in an abusive one.  Is your advice the same for someone whos husband beats the crap outta them?  Would you tell THAT person to just respect their spouse "no matter what"? 

I happened to think of something that may or may not help you see where I'm coming from. There is a movie that is actually a true story. It isn't about an abusive relationship. It is about a whole tribe of people who's whole culture is abuse and murder. Women were treated as property. These people would kill you just as easy as they'd look at you. They killed each other like it was nothing. That was their life. That was all they knew. They made the average American male ABUSER look like a boyscout. But some missionaries went in and decided to treat them like human beings instead of savage beasts. I don't want to ruin it for you. You'll just have to watch if you want to know what happened.

 

It's called "End of the Spear". Again it's a true story. Not a writers fantasy.

 
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February 7, 2007, 11:57 am PST

02/06 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

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I think it's pretty obvious based on this show and this forum that women truly do not want to be with nice guys.  Other wise these guys wouldn't have girlfriends and wives.  Women aren't attracted to nice guys.  Women like guys that they can train and if a guy is already great right from the start, what is there to work on?  Nice guys finish last.

That's silly. My husband is the nicest guy I know. If I wanted something to train, I would have gotten a puppy.

 

 I think it is more accurate to say toxic, dysfunctional people gravitate toward each other. There are plenty of nice guys who are in happy relationships. If you are having romantic difficulties, perhaps you should drop the "I'm too nice" mantra and explore what the real issues are.

 
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February 7, 2007, 12:08 pm PST

Scott & Tara are BOTH Immature ...

I first got a bad feeling about Tara  when they showed the clip of her asking her little girl 'do you feel bad when mommy cries?' and that smart little girl said she felt bad when SHE cried.  I mean come on - a little girl had to say that to her own mother??  But then those were overridden by the unbelievably immature bullying clips of Scott.

 

But yesterday's show highlighted just how immature Tara is herself - she knew enough to beg for help but she really didn't see her own part in it just that he was all Scott's fault.

 

Both are probably pretty nice people when they're apart from each other - but maybe they're too toxic together unless they mature.

 
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February 7, 2007, 12:09 pm PST

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Sounds like you hit the nail right on the top of the head. It takes two to tango but someones gotta lead.
So if a man cries he's not a man? And only a man can lead? These stereotypes contribute to marriage problems rather than help them.
 
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February 7, 2007, 12:17 pm PST

Nice guys finish last?

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I think it's pretty obvious based on this show and this forum that women truly do not want to be with nice guys.  Other wise these guys wouldn't have girlfriends and wives.  Women aren't attracted to nice guys.  Women like guys that they can train and if a guy is already great right from the start, what is there to work on?  Nice guys finish last.
Sounds like you're excusing bad behavior as the only way to "get" a woman. Please!

I have yet to meet anyone, man or woman, who has "fixed" another person. Sometimes fixing oneself can inspire change in another. But it is always up to the individual to "fix" him or herself.
 
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February 7, 2007, 12:48 pm PST

02/06 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

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As a perpetually single 30 year old man, I feel I can offer up a fresh perspective here on some of the things that I've noticed through the years. Let me preface this by saying, I've been single by choice, also I have no children, also by choice. I know nothing about parenting execpt enough to know that I'm not ready to be a daddy yet, and I've always respected the women I've been with enough to not force that on them by always using protection. As I was younger, like just out of high school I noticed alot of my peers getting married to their high-school sweethearts. I opted out, I broke up with my girlfriend and wanted to explore the world and get an education and so on. Being single wasnt easy though, and in my 20s it seemed like everyone I met was married and miserable. I persued my dreams and my carreer alone and spent alot of time lonely. Mind you, I dont want to sound like "hey I'm really cool" but it must be also noted that Im a very handsome man, Russel Crowe is what all my friends call me, same blue eyes and face but with black hair. I've gotten many acting jobs based purely on my looks alone, also I work out regularly and was (and still am) in awesome shape. I was drug-free, an IQ of 130, making good money and had alot of female friends who were all married to guys that hurt them. It seemed for years that every guy in the universe was an abusive, neglectful, balding, pock-marked, unemployed, cheater. So why was I alone so much, you may ask? Well..heres my whole point.

Nice guy syndrome. I grew up around very strong women. and was drilled with respect. So much so that I was often too nice to girls who were turned off by that.

Women, especially younger women, have a total misconception of what strength is, and all women are attracted to strength, but the kind of strength that turns a woman on changes over time with maturity. Young girls love abusive-selfish guys, they think they can turn them around or something like that, but only lose themselves altogether. And the worst part is, they have children with these dopes who have no clue how to be a strong role-model, and only have children so they can fetch their beers for them. But thats personality trait comes from the same place that turned her on in the first place. Get it? The things that turned her on when they first met are the same things she hates when she has him. Because now, they're directed at her and not other people. Like ever wonder why the biggest jerk always has the hottest women? Thats partly why.

For years and years, it seemed like I was telling people "divorce" or "break up"  over and over again and no one ever listens.

Now Im 30 and Im noticing a trend. Women are finally divorcing and have had enough. Women are realizing time is ticking and they want better for themselves. Which means, I'm having more options than ever.

But it kinda sucks too, because I havent any kids, but EVERYONE else does. When I was younger I thought "I wouldnt marry a woman who had a kid" then it was "I wouldnt marry a woman with 2 kids", then; "I wouldnt marry a woman with 2 kids from different fathers cause if we had a kid, Id be daddy #3", and now....I dont know. Cause so many women choose their babys fathers so poorly, they can never seem to be found, are in prison, or just dont pay child support. So therefore the jerks, once again are let off the hook and free to go make babies with more young women.

So heres my final point (and Im sorry this has been so long) Men are babies until someone kicks their butts into shape, I dont care who you are. We have testosterone with makes us agressive and territorial. Only harsh lessons from loving parents can teach us to use our aggressive nature to be gentleman, and save the violence for defending your loved ones from attackers. Being a man is about being a stable strong rock with certain soft spot reserved for your wife and family. That is real strength.

And women need to learn self-respect and confidence. Nothing is a bigger turn on to me than to see a woman rightfully stand up for herself. A woman who can fight as hard as she can be soft and tender. And to you mothers out there with young daughters...teach them what age has taught you...recognize real men. Dont ever confuse kindness for weakness. True strength is holding your power back sometimes.

Thanks Dr.. Phil! You're a flippin genious!

At the risk of angering my own gender, I'm going to agree with you to a point. You've made some very valid points based on your experiences and ability to "see" other people. I was pretty much what you described in my younger years, and that stems from the traumas suffered as a child. It IS with age and experience that, if we're smart, we wake up and see things for what they are. Change starts from within. There are a lot of women like myself who find themselves fed up...and make the break. They find themselves older and wiser. There's a familiar mantra from the older women..."don't settle"...they all say it. They've come to realize the mistakes made, and the reasons they made them. A lot of self-reflection on my part got me to where I am. Which is with what I describe as the perpetual "good guy". He has no children of his own, and has taken mine under his wing. I have 4...though two are grown..and they all have the same father. I've met like him in my very distant past...and was not attracted to that kinda guy. I guess I needed the drama that I was used to from my own growing years. Now? Drama is the LAST thing I want/need. No, thank you. And btw...he's balding. And he's the most gorgeous man I've ever laid eyes on......
 
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February 7, 2007, 1:07 pm PST

02/06 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

Quote From: julie1418

That's silly. My husband is the nicest guy I know. If I wanted something to train, I would have gotten a puppy.

 

 I think it is more accurate to say toxic, dysfunctional people gravitate toward each other. There are plenty of nice guys who are in happy relationships. If you are having romantic difficulties, perhaps you should drop the "I'm too nice" mantra and explore what the real issues are.

Truer words have never been spoken :)
 
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February 7, 2007, 1:24 pm PST

To The Stripper.

Ok how mad am I that some woman in an awful situation would JUDGE another woman in an awful situation!@! ARG... I know the show hasn't aired yet but there I am watching the preview and eating my tuna cheese sandwich thinking how glad I am that I could  Leave even with  kids and get away from the chaos.  Now I can focus on my fantastic five and not worry about well eating my tuna and cheese in the living room when the Beast walks in with clouds and thunder. This big ole oaf would be on immediate "crumb patrol" with some retorhic about my tuna and cheese weight issue. <Snort ><Scratch Left Bumb Cheek>

 So to the stripper...

You can take care of yourself you can leave him anytime you want. You're wonderful and nobody whos allowed some man to cheat on her call her names abuse her and degrade her for 14 yrs should ever talk to you about pride.  Dr. Phil wants to help you figure out what you need in your life I understand that but I didn't like it  at all. Hey Dr Phil, doesn't she need some cash to gtf out? Are you funding her break up? THE GUY SAID SHE SHOULD HAVE ABORTED HER KIDS.  Her stripping is the least of the probs.  I'm sorry you find it morally evil or whatever. But as long as there have been men who wanted to see us naked there have been women who figured out 'I might as well get paid'.  Shes not a bad person stop embarrasing her on tv .  Maybe someday more men will evolve (holds breath) (passes out) but until that (hell freezes over) shes gotta get away from the Misrable Beast OH and lucky her, she can afford it.

 

Much Love,

 

Pri

 

PS Who's gonna pay for the greese stains on my tv where I through my tuna melt and the big haired blondes head.  Wanders away muttering <I have too much PRIDE for that> ladeeda.

 

PPS

I love your show I tape it everyday and then we have giant debates during lunch its soo much fun. Thanks for going Live even when I disagree. Esp when I disagree!

 
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February 7, 2007, 1:24 pm PST

MEN'S POINT OF VIEW

Unfortunately, on most Dr. Phil message boards I have visited, mostly it is women who post and complain about men.

 

The men's point of view seems to be lacking. Most men who support their families want to consider their financial contribution their COMPLETE contribution to the family. They demand their wives look like sexual models and serve up whenever demanded. Included in this "contract" is the requirement that their wives work like their own mothers and clean and cook  for them like staff at a 5 star hotel. In addition, their wives must retain full responsibility for "managing" their children, especially when they misbehave.

 

This ignores the fact that marriage is best when it is a true partnership. The world is hard enough, without understanding the true VALUE of marriage.

 

Daily tasks should be negotiated depending on the time and energy of the spouses. If children are at issue, spouses need to communicate and have FEWER since children definitely put stress on most marriages.

 

Thorough discussion of finances and planning can bring about the most powerful advantage of successful marriage: ESTATE AND FINANCIAL PLANNING

 

When couples get together to function well and work well together, they are in an excellent position to obtain excellent financial strengh, often leading ot early, well maintained retirement.

 

If you doubt this, just ask any single mother!

 

I hope men read this note, especially those involved in the show:

 

Successful marriage usually lead to successful financial life. By acting childishly and being unwilling to work with and assist your mate, you are cutting out and nullifying the most powerful impact of marriage: FINANCIAL SUCCESS.

 

Don't be foolish. Men, you should expand your view of successful marriage to include compromise, good manners, the ability to say "thank you" and kind understanding of your mates' foibles.

 

This is the life my wife and I chose to make. Because of it, we were able to retire early, travel and live the life that these couples will miss entirely.

 

Worse, they are teaching their children to find and become abusers.

 

Rosey1

 

 

 
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February 7, 2007, 2:58 pm PST

02/06 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 2

Quote From: 1rosey1

Unfortunately, on most Dr. Phil message boards I have visited, mostly it is women who post and complain about men.

 

The men's point of view seems to be lacking. Most men who support their families want to consider their financial contribution their COMPLETE contribution to the family. They demand their wives look like sexual models and serve up whenever demanded. Included in this "contract" is the requirement that their wives work like their own mothers and clean and cook  for them like staff at a 5 star hotel. In addition, their wives must retain full responsibility for "managing" their children, especially when they misbehave.

 

This ignores the fact that marriage is best when it is a true partnership. The world is hard enough, without understanding the true VALUE of marriage.

 

Daily tasks should be negotiated depending on the time and energy of the spouses. If children are at issue, spouses need to communicate and have FEWER since children definitely put stress on most marriages.

 

Thorough discussion of finances and planning can bring about the most powerful advantage of successful marriage: ESTATE AND FINANCIAL PLANNING

 

When couples get together to function well and work well together, they are in an excellent position to obtain excellent financial strengh, often leading ot early, well maintained retirement.

 

If you doubt this, just ask any single mother!

 

I hope men read this note, especially those involved in the show:

 

Successful marriage usually lead to successful financial life. By acting childishly and being unwilling to work with and assist your mate, you are cutting out and nullifying the most powerful impact of marriage: FINANCIAL SUCCESS.

 

Don't be foolish. Men, you should expand your view of successful marriage to include compromise, good manners, the ability to say "thank you" and kind understanding of your mates' foibles.

 

This is the life my wife and I chose to make. Because of it, we were able to retire early, travel and live the life that these couples will miss entirely.

 

Worse, they are teaching their children to find and become abusers.

 

Rosey1

 

 

Very nice!

 
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