Topic : 02/09 Sign on the Line!

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Marriage contracts are not only for the rich and famous. More and more couples ask each other to sign on the line -- sometimes when they've already been married for years! Leah says her husband of four years, Gary, wants her to sign a postnuptial agreement that says everything they have is his. Gary says his greatest fear is Leah taking half his assets, and she deserves nothing but her clothes, her ring and her car. Does Gary love his money more than he loves his wife? Then, Darlene says her estranged husband, Bobby, is the cheapest, most selfish man she has ever met. Bobby says Darlene has already left him twice, and he can't trust her. He refuses to get back together unless Darlene signs a "quit claim" and agrees to relinquish what he says are his assets. Darlene is outraged by Bobby's actions and says she can't trust him. Is she right to think this could be a set-up? Can Bobby and Darlene come to terms and reconcile their relationship? In a marriage, is it ever right to draw a line and say, "What's mine is mine"? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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February 9, 2007, 8:05 am PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

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You need to ask Gary and Bobby why they would risk half of everything that they have worked for in 20+ years on a less than 4 year marriage.   The men didn't protect their assets and the wifes are digging for gold.   
nha i dont think the wifes were gold diggers, if that were the case they could have found better mines to dig in!!!
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:06 am PST

Are These Couples, ....Couples???? LOOOOOL

I can't believe the pure insanity of these men!  Where have all the "gentlemen" gone to in this world???  First, each of the couples rushed into marriage WAYYYYY to quickly.  That was their first mistake.  That judge today, was right on target with her assessment of the "couples".  These men have NOoooo respect for these women, or for themselves in how they treat a woman.  The first "couple" were acting like they were single, or just roommates.  That is not a marriage!!!!  Didn't labeling eggs as to who's they are get left behind in the good ole' COLLEGE DAYSSSS?? :D  UTTERLY RIDICULOUS.  She is right, he issss way too selfish and also it's obvious he's a cheapskate too.  When you enter into marriage, you love that person and want to give of yourself, not take..take...take.  You both work toward building a secure life with one another.  Things are never 50-50 in marriage.  You can tell the first "couple" have a chemistry for one another.  It could be worked out in my eyes.  But they both seem a bit selfish.  Maybe past marriages have made them both bitter.  So it doesn't sound like they were even ready for marriage again.  If they commited to their love, made plans together on how to tackle financial issues, and stopped adding up what each other owes they might (might) have a chance.  The second "couple".  Hmmmmm..  I'm not sure, he doesn't have a love interest on the side.  Sounds to me like he's already emotionally disconnected to his wife, and just keeping hush hush til he can get her to sign papers so he can walk.  I feel for her.  Nine years of cooking, cleaning, romantic endeavors makes you a partner in his life ANDDD business.  Did he clean any toilets in those nine years??  I think not.  You are entitled to half, so don't sign the life you built with him away!!  Good luck to both women.  Shame on these men!!  After this show, I realized my husbands a real KEEPERRRRRRR! :))
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:07 am PST

What if the tables were turned...

... and the woman wanted the pre-nup but couldn't get one?  Dr. Phil is siding with the women on the show walking away with 1/2 of everything that they didn't, on the most part, contribute to.  The guy who had his own business and the 7 cars, for example... what did his wife contribute?  Did she work or did her husband support her?  Why should she suggest marrying someone who had so much and walk away with 1/2 of what he acquired before they were together?  Sounds like she had dollar signs in her eyes from day one.  What if she had everything and wanted her husband to sign a post-nup... would Dr. Phil be on the woman's side then?  Would he want the man to sign the post-nup to protect a "helpless" woman?  Seems like if either person has anything of value before the marriage, they should ask for a pre-nup beforehand and if they wait until after they're married, they're pretty much out of luck!  Too bad marriage isn't as sacred as it used to be... anymore, everything seems to revolve around money and so many of us are just as guilty.
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:09 am PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

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Just as I was reading this topic tears began to flow down my cheeks uncontrollably. My husband wanted me to sign a prenup before our marriage and I agreed if it was to protect both of us. Of course that was wishful thinking, the prenup protected him only and I refused to sign it. We had handmade wedding invitations purchased and ready to go to a printer but the wedding was off. I really wasalright with that , I had taken that walka few times before and was happy in my life at the time.I am a flight attendant and I had a 30 hour layover in Austin Texas over a weekend and thought it would be fun to bring, Mike on one of my buddy passes. We had a great time in Austin. On the way back in the aircraft Mike decides we should go to Las Vegas when we land and just get married, screw the prenup he said. I should have listened to that small voice in my head telling me NO, this is not the right time. Next thing I know were boarding a plane for Las Vegas and within 6 hours were married. I had only dated my husband for about 5 months (another stupid thing I did) before saying, I do. I did love him and so wanted to believe this was the real one. Within that first year of marriage I learn that Mike had ran up his credit cards and needed to refinance him home. He asked me to sign a quit claim deed which I declined. In the state of California your personal equity in your home before your marriage remains yours and any equity after the marriage is divided 50/50. It was an argument and he tried to bully me into signing the quit claim deed but I refused. While I was in the garage unpacking my things and putting them into (his) home a car drives up. She parks, gets out, asks me if I'm Sharon B*** and I reply yes. She serves me divorce papers. I am floored, I began crying uncontrollably. Within an hour my husband drives up and I am still crying out in the garage. He takes one look at me and says, Do you want to go have Mexican Food for dinner?????? I said, are you crazy, you just served me papers for a divorce. Mike says, well you won't sign the quit claim deed so you forced me into doing so. I received advise from my attorney who told me to not sign the paper and get out of this mans life. However, if I wanted the marriage signing the paper would not hold up in court because you cannot make someone sign a legal document under duress. I took those papers to a notary and crying I signed it so we could give this marriage a chance. Shortly after escrow closed he finally called his attorney and had the divorce papers ended. My husband even told my brother, he never planned to divorce me but to make me sign the papers. This was the start of a destructive path which I am still on to this day. My husband has become obsessed with the power to control me. He has me itemize my credit card bills before he will pay them. Yet his bills go to his office and when I ask to see them he tells me, never will happen. I make the money, I spend the money and you have no say. I could write a book about his controlling behavior. If we are at a party and I'm having fun or in his mind to much fun. He will take me home and he will go back to the party without me. He has emotionally degraded me to the point that I rarely go out. I feel comfortable in my room watching TV. At least if I am consumed with a TV show I am not thinking of how pathetic I really am. He knew when we married I was a poor, flight attendant who was happy renting a room from my sweet girl friend Tamra who was also a flight attendant and I was content. Now he degrades me almost daily about my renting a room and being a poor flight attendant. My husband makes over $200,000.00 a year, has an expense accountwith the companyhe is employedand at this time gives me $250.00 atwice a month to live on. I injured my neck on taxi out at JFK, when the pilot had to slam on the brakes while I was up locking down my galley in the back on a 767 aircraft. Right now I am on a small amount of temporary disability which I have not shared with my husband in fear he will take my $500.00 a month away from me. THIS IS A CONTROL ISSUE, PLEASE RUN THE OTHER DIRECTION. I'M AFRAID IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL END UP A 51 YEAR OLD FLIGHT ATTENDANT UNDER COMPLETE CONTROL MENTALLY, FINANCIALLY, AS I DID. HE IS OBSESSED WITH BEING RIGHT AND BEING IN CONTROL HE DEGRADES ME THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN FINANCIALLY ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND YET HE LOVES HAVING ME UNDER HIS CONTROL. I have thoughts of suicide just to go to sleep and never feel the pain again.. Please forgive my grammar and spelling as I can barely write this through my tears.

Babe,

 

Just leave.  My husband is an a**hole too.  But I refuse to let hime bring me down any further.  He too, buys whatever he wants but questions every loaf of bread I  buy.  If he thinks I have money, he won't pay the bills until he feels that I've spent every dime out of my account.  I'm tired, I can do bad by myself.  Things might be hard for a while, but my mental gain will surely outweigh my financial woes.  I own a business and work part-time, because of the up and down nature of my business there are times, when my funds are low and he won't even help pay my daughter's tuition. (that's YOUR daughter, YOUR bill).  I'm leaving and so should you!

 
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February 9, 2007, 8:17 am PST

RIGHT ON THE "MONEY"!!!

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Hi everyone,

To my mind any marriage that is based on a contract that anticipates a breakup in advance to protect financial interests is not based on love. That is to say that if you love someone and you believe they love you there is trust and a desire to share everything including the rest of your life and possessions. Love trusts, legal contracts dealing with financial integrity are designed for people without a loving trusting relationship, they are the hallmark of cut-throat profit making business relationships. If a person believes they need a financial contract in a love relationship (marriage) it is always a signal that they don't trust their partner and/or themselves to honour a love relationship - it is not love - love trusts and shares. A person who does not have loving trust for their partner should not marry them, a contract can't produce love and if their is doubt about trusting someone else there is no love and no basis for marriage.

The Chosen One 

COMPLETELY AGREE WITH UR ANALYSIS!!!
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:18 am PST

RUN - DON'T WALK

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Just as I was reading this topic tears began to flow down my cheeks uncontrollably.  My husband wanted me to sign a prenup before our marriage and I agreed if it was to protect both of us.  Of course that was wishful thinking, the prenup protected him only and I refused to sign it.  We had handmade wedding invitations purchased and ready to go to a printer but the wedding was off.  I really was alright with that , I had taken that walk a few times before and was happy in my life at the time.  I am a flight attendant and I had a 30 hour layover in Austin Texas over a weekend and thought it would be fun to bring, Mike on one of my buddy passes.  We had a great time in Austin.  On the way back in the aircraft Mike decides we should go to Las Vegas when we land and just get married, screw the prenup he said.  I should have listened to that small voice in my head telling me NO, this is not the right time.  Next thing I know were boarding a plane for Las Vegas and within 6 hours were married.  I had only dated my husband for about 5 months (another stupid thing I did) before saying, I do.  I did love him and so wanted to believe this was the real one.  Within that first year of marriage I learn that Mike had ran up his credit cards and needed to refinance him home.  He asked me to sign a quit claim deed which I declined.  In the state of California your personal equity in your home before your marriage remains yours and any equity after the marriage is divided 50/50.  It was an argument and he tried to bully me into signing the quit claim deed but I refused.  While I was in the garage unpacking my things and putting them into (his) home a car drives up.  She parks, gets out, asks me if I'm Sharon B*** and I reply yes.  She serves me divorce papers.  I am floored, I began crying uncontrollably.  Within an hour my husband drives up and I am still crying out in the garage.  He takes one look at me and says, Do you want to go have Mexican Food for dinner??????  I said, are you crazy, you just served me papers for a divorce.  Mike says, well you won't sign the quit claim deed so you forced me into doing so.  I received advise from my attorney who told me to not sign the paper and get out of this mans life.  However, if I wanted the marriage signing the paper would not hold up in court because you cannot make someone sign a legal document under duress.  I took those papers to a notary and crying I signed it so we could give this marriage a chance.  Shortly after escrow closed he finally called his attorney and had the divorce papers ended.  My husband even told my brother, he never planned to divorce me but to make me sign the papers.  This was the start of a destructive path which I am still on to this day.  My husband has become obsessed with the power to control me.  He has me itemize my credit card bills before he will pay them.  Yet his bills go to his office and when I ask to see them he tells me, never will happen.  I make the money, I spend the money and you have no say.  I could write a book about his controlling behavior.  If we are at a party and I'm having fun or in his mind to much fun.  He will take me home and he will go back to the party without me.  He has emotionally degraded me to the point that I rarely go out.  I feel comfortable in my room watching TV.  At least if I am  consumed with a TV show I am not thinking of how pathetic I really am.  He knew when we married I was a poor, flight attendant who was happy renting a room from my sweet girl friend Tamra who was also a flight attendant and I was content.   Now he degrades me almost daily about my renting a room and being a poor flight attendant.  My husband makes over $200,000.00 a year, has an expense account with the company he is employed and at this time gives me $250.00 a twice a month to live on.   I injured my neck on taxi out at JFK, when the pilot had to slam on the brakes while I was up locking down my galley in the back on a 767 aircraft.  Right now I am on a small amount of temporary disability which I have not shared with my husband in fear he will take my $500.00 a month away from me.  THIS IS A CONTROL ISSUE, PLEASE RUN THE OTHER DIRECTION.  I'M AFRAID IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL END UP A 51 YEAR OLD FLIGHT ATTENDANT UNDER COMPLETE CONTROL MENTALLY, FINANCIALLY, AS I DID.  HE IS OBSESSED WITH BEING RIGHT AND BEING IN CONTROL HE DEGRADES ME THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN FINANCIALLY ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND YET HE LOVES HAVING ME UNDER HIS CONTROL.  I have thoughts of suicide just to go to sleep and never feel the pain again..  Please forgive my grammar and spelling as I can barely write this through my tears.

My mother passed away last summer because she didn't seek treatment after she knew she developed a blood clot after a hysterectomy.  She had become so depressed and beaten down by my father that she didn't recognize the severity of her situation.  None of us saw it coming.  This is about control.  I am so sick of hearing from people who think that a spouse who is not working in a paid position isn't contributing and isn't valuable.  My mother raised me and a brother and sister, plus she and my father had just adopted a 7 year old little girl early last year!  My father traveled.  When he came home, he wanted to play "Santa" with all his grandkids.  He would take all the kids to his house to "play" and then go to sleep on the couch while my mother was the one who would take care of them.  After 39 years of marriage, she raised 3 children, managed to finish her college education (she quit after they got married to support his education), worked tirelessly in his business (many times without a paycheck), and, according to him, took all the money and wasted it all.  Meanwhile, he racked up thousands on the internet - ebay mostly - including TWO motor homes!  He even bought a THIRD motor home with the money he received from my mother's life insurance!!  Now he is getting married in April to another woman who believes all his lies.  She is a nice woman who just doesn't know what she is getting herself into, but I can't do anything about it.  He got her to quit her job so she could help him.  She is now in his control, she just doesn't know it yet.  She has dogs that have to be groomed, one has medical issues.  She has manicure and pedicure and gets them often.  She loves to shop and buys clothes just for the "fun" of it. 

 

PLEASE - FOR YOUR OWN SAKE - RUN, DON'T WALK.  I do not care what financial situation you are going to find yourself in, it is NEVER worth this life you are living.  If I had known, I would have dragged my mother out, kicking and screaming.  I have lost that chance.  My mother was only 59.  I beg you.  PLEASE LEAVE!  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.  I can't bring my mom back. 

 

Since her death, it has cost me thousands in order to separate myself from my father and his business.  The family business I worked in and worked so hard for is gone.  I have no paycheck.  My husband was lucky enough to find a new job in December - he also worked at the family business.  We are drowning in debt while I try to find another job.  But, I have NEVER felt so free in my life.  I also was subjected to his control and manipulation.  If you have kids, don't think they won't be subjected to it too!  Whatever financial situation you see coming from leaving him, it WILL be all worth it.  PLEASE BE FREE!!!  You only live once, don't waste it!! PLEASE!!

 
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February 9, 2007, 8:20 am PST

Can sympathize

I have been in a relationship with a man for almost the last two years, watching this show was like watching my own life on the tv... We are not married, I do contribute to our household, I have 3 children at home, he has two grown children outside of the home.  I work part time for a Realtor and the rest of my time is devoted to our home and his business which I work for free. If we were ever to get married he wouldn't think i was entitled to anything of his. He's incredibly selfish, controlling, self absorbed....and why am I still with him?  I do love him, but I would never marry him, he's too high risk, I actually think he would make a great canidate for Man Camp but I know he would never do something like that, you don't air your dirty laundry to the world... But boy would it do him some good to have Dr Phil look him in the face and tell him to GROW UP...I do believe that if you are in a relationship it is a partnership .  These women that were on the show today deserve what they have put into their relationships!
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:38 am PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

My ex-husband is a materialistic jerk that was looking at my money instead of me, just like the jerks on your show today - but because he said and did the right things i didn't notice until after we were married and things started to unfold.  He also talk to me about a post-nup agreement and then dropped it, (I'm sure now because of my reaction.)  "HE HAD A PLAN"  I still had to pay my share to live there (as he said "no one lives for free" ) Then about 4 years into our marriage he suggested to me that I should sign over my home and put it in his name only (as it was paid in full) so he could start a business to make our life better, and quit his job.  hahaha!!!(so he said) at the time i had to ask him if I looked like I was a blond,(i am a Burnett)  Because I didn't want to sign over my home to him he suggested we keep renting it until I felt comfortable in our marriage - (this was a 3rd for both of us) all we did was fight about my home - I really tried to make things work between us because this was my 3rd marriage and didn't want another divorce - but he was only interested in what he could gain monetarily - he wasn't looking for a soul mate - he wouldn't fix anything in it - I had to fix it myself or hire it done - and I felt that it should pay for itself  - not cost us - that it should make us money - and he thought the monies from the rent should go in his private account  with only his name on it- not a business account that would have paid for the repairs along with the taxes- but I still was required to pay my share.  To make a long story short about 7 years into our marriage i got sick of fighting about the house so I sold it and we put the monies into the home we were living in (which was his home before we were married).  We added a huge living room, re-did the basement put a pond and hot tub in the back yard - it was just beautiful...then 3 years later (10 years married) I had to have emergency back surgery and I was unable to pay any of my share of the bills.  I couldn't work  - I was down on my back for about 31/2 months and that jerk didn't help me make any of my credit card payments(that he also made charges on for our home)or my car payment..because I didn't contribute to household expenses he wouldn't help me when I was down.....being on my back for 31/2 months gave me a lot of time to reflect so when my doctor finally said I could get up and walk - I literally did - right out of my marriage - when everything was done and said with the attorney's he ended up paying me in the end... over and above....so to all you jerks that are looking at money instead of love....STAY SINGLE OR IT COULD COST YOU.

 
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February 9, 2007, 8:49 am PST

You can't take it with you

I don't understand anyone fighting over money, sure it can buy you anything physical, but it can't buy the emotional feelings that are what really make up marriage.  Assets aren't going to comfort anyone when the person they love is not with them.  Post nup or Pre nups are just a way for lawyers to make more money.

 

And if your one of those who believes in them, then you must not have loved yet.

 
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February 9, 2007, 8:58 am PST

Prenup - sure. Postnup - see ya!

I used to oppose prenuptial agreements, but I've come around on those.  I've seen some really good people get taken to the cleaners by their spouses.  I'm currently watching my brother in law go through pure hell by his (hopefully soon to be ex) wife that has been cheating on him for 5 of their 10 year marriage.  He has made a successful business while she was a stay at home mom that dropped her kids off at daycare all day every day, and didn't lift a finger to help him in the business.  Now that he has found out about her infidelity and is pursuing divorce, he is facing having to relinquish 50% of everything, including his business which she did nothing to contribute to.  If only he had been smart enough to listen to everyone and draw a prenup before they got married.  Then again - he should have spent more time getting to know the woman he was making his wife.  Maybe then he wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place! 

 

A post nup however is different to me.  If that is brought up AFTER getting married that would make me worry in a big way!!!  I don't think I could stay in a marriage after that.  That is a sign that my spouse is thinking of what happens when the marriage ends, not good!!!!

 

Both the men on here made me sick.  The women need to get out while the gettin is good and take everything they are entitled to!  Then, if their husbands want to be together for love and partnership, they can remarry.  With a prenup to protect their new assets of course!  :)

 

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