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Topic : 02/09 Sign on the Line!

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Marriage contracts are not only for the rich and famous. More and more couples ask each other to sign on the line -- sometimes when they've already been married for years! Leah says her husband of four years, Gary, wants her to sign a postnuptial agreement that says everything they have is his. Gary says his greatest fear is Leah taking half his assets, and she deserves nothing but her clothes, her ring and her car. Does Gary love his money more than he loves his wife? Then, Darlene says her estranged husband, Bobby, is the cheapest, most selfish man she has ever met. Bobby says Darlene has already left him twice, and he can't trust her. He refuses to get back together unless Darlene signs a "quit claim" and agrees to relinquish what he says are his assets. Darlene is outraged by Bobby's actions and says she can't trust him. Is she right to think this could be a set-up? Can Bobby and Darlene come to terms and reconcile their relationship? In a marriage, is it ever right to draw a line and say, "What's mine is mine"? Find out what Dr. Phil thinks and share your thoughts here.

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February 9, 2007, 6:54 pm PST

Make sure you Understand the Pre-nup

My husband presented me with a prenup 3 days before we were getting married.  Being in love most definitely causes a chemical imbalance.  I took it to my attorney to review.  He said it just meant that my husband keeps what he has prior to marriage and I keep what I have prior to marriage.  That was no problem he had a little money and a business, I had a great career and I had never worried about not working for a living.  So I signed.  We had a baby 1 yr and nine months later.  My husband said we did not need me to work, since I already did his business paperwork at night in addition to my full time job, I should just stay home and take care of our baby and take care of the business.  So for 6.5 yrs. I stayed home and did all the paper work, he gifted one of the businesses to me so I could be President and help him get minority contracts.  I also took care of our child entirely, and our house entirely.  No need to hire handyman when I could do most chores inside or out.  So for 6.5 yrs. I received no paycheck in my name.  Now here I am almost 10 yrs. later and according to the pre-nup I get 1/2 of the equity in the house and child support.  I have been trying to get a descent paying job through almost three years of an on going divorce.  I am the proud owner of $171,000.00 liability to the union for unpaid pension and welfare dues which I was forced to sign personally and as owner of the company.  The are many financial arrangements which I made for the business which help my husband put more money in his pocket.  Apparently the pre-nup had a little word in it that is called accretions.  Which means my husband took all our tax refunds and put them in his money market account which did not have my name on it.  He purchased equipment and vehicles and titled them in his company name.  My company paid the payments, but frankly I never had control over the business income anyway, I just paid the bills and invoiced the customers.  So while putting my career on hold and letting my pride and my Love for him stand in my way, I did not ask for IRA deposits or income in my own name.  I did however enjoy a beautiful home and spent a lot of quality time with our daughter while my husband enjoyed his extracurricular activities and traveled.  Unfortunately I ran out of money within the first 12 months of the divorce proceedings.  It truly is frightening to be over 40 with a 7 yr old child and no job security and very little money.  I will be forced to take a minimal settlement and child support and try to make a new life for myself and our daughter.  My right to alimony was waived in the pre-nup, my attorney did advise against waiving alimony, but I was too young to believe that it would effect my ability to provide for myself.  My husband however makes in one month what it will take a year for me to make, (if I can secure a descent job).  He has easily 2 million in assets and is still getting half of the marital assets which is the house and furniture.  Frankly, things did change after we got married and the man I thought I married by definition has all the characteristics of a narcissist.   I can't even make him move out of the house until I agree to his terms, at which time I will have to move out because I cannot afford the house.  My daughter is worth everything I have, and I am worth too much to continue living in a emotional, and mentally abusive marriage.  So MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PRE-NUP and don't sell yourself short like I did.
 
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February 9, 2007, 7:06 pm PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

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I could get a decent job tomorrow....it would take me several years to get back to where I was when I left. And it does come down to values. Some people only value money....so any other contributions to a life or a relationship simply don't register.

 

I don't necessarily think I am worth six figures, but I do think I deserve to share equally in the life we have created together, regardless of who did what or who earned what. Fortunately, we are nowhere near divorce and we still want to share in all that stuff together.



I agree that we wives deserve to share equally in the life that was created by both of us, I know for sure that my husband and I are in this marriage together which could be a very good reason why we are not headed towards divorce court and we are keeping it that way.  :)

Thankfully my husband values my contributions when it comes to cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the food, doing the shopping, caring for our children and the animals, setting up date nights, and whatever else, yep, I am a big part of my marriage and I am just as imporant asset to it as my husband is. I feel sad for those spouses who ended up with manipulators and self centered partners, it's quite sad. I sure am glad I was one choosy female.
 
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February 9, 2007, 7:38 pm PST

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I too had a good career, financially independent, and then I had children. My husband and I have made sacrifices so that I could stay at home. I just can't imagine being married to someone who felt that because he brings in more income that he is somehow more entitled. In my opinion neither couple has any sort of sustainable marriage. I really felt for Leah, she has no idea what the financial situation is and Gary will probably keep that way. Leah, if you read this, if you haven't done so find out all information you can on your finances. Unfortunately, things can be hidden when a relationship goes south. By the way, if a man doen't think his wife should gain some weight carrying his child, he should look into carrying it himself
 
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February 9, 2007, 7:42 pm PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

Was anyone else completely shocked by the intensity of the so-called "judge"? She sure didn't make any attempt whatsoever to remain calm and impartial, and I definitely wouldn't want to be before her in any courtroom setting. In fact, her intensity makes her an ideal candidate to host one of those daytime judge shows.
 
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February 9, 2007, 7:56 pm PST

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I too had a good career, financially independent, and then I had children. My husband and I have made sacrifices so that I could stay at home. I just can't imagine being married to someone who felt that because he brings in more income that he is somehow more entitled. In my opinion neither couple has any sort of sustainable marriage. I really felt for Leah, she has no idea what the financial situation is and Gary will probably keep that way. Leah, if you read this, if you haven't done so find out all information you can on your finances. Unfortunately, things can be hidden when a relationship goes south. By the way, if a man doen't think his wife should gain some weight carrying his child, he should look into carrying it himself
The man who complains about everything  wouldn't be  able to handle pregnacy,LOLLLLL

I guarentee that if my husband ever came home and told me that he was entitled to more just becasue he brought home the money,he would soon find himself in the kitchen cooking, cleaning, laudry, vacuuming, dusting, grocery shopping, the whole nine yards, I bet he would change his tune real fast! And if not, I sure the heck wouldn't be stickin around just to be manipulated and put down.
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:02 pm PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

dr phil i didnt get the woman judges name today but i just wanted to tell you i really enjoyed hearing her set those two guys straight on a few things, she seemed like my kind of a judge, down to earth so to speak, and these two guys just sat there and kept there mouths shut, lol they knew they had meet there better with her!
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:19 pm PST

Sign on the line

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Was anyone else completely shocked by the intensity of the so-called "judge"? She sure didn't make any attempt whatsoever to remain calm and impartial, and I definitely wouldn't want to be before her in any courtroom setting. In fact, her intensity makes her an ideal candidate to host one of those daytime judge shows.
I'll agree to that!  And she is like Dr. Phil, lays it on the line.
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:19 pm PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

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Just as I was reading this topic tears began to flow down my cheeks uncontrollably.  My husband wanted me to sign a prenup before our marriage and I agreed if it was to protect both of us.  Of course that was wishful thinking, the prenup protected him only and I refused to sign it.  We had handmade wedding invitations purchased and ready to go to a printer but the wedding was off.  I really was alright with that , I had taken that walk a few times before and was happy in my life at the time.  I am a flight attendant and I had a 30 hour layover in Austin Texas over a weekend and thought it would be fun to bring, Mike on one of my buddy passes.  We had a great time in Austin.  On the way back in the aircraft Mike decides we should go to Las Vegas when we land and just get married, screw the prenup he said.  I should have listened to that small voice in my head telling me NO, this is not the right time.  Next thing I know were boarding a plane for Las Vegas and within 6 hours were married.  I had only dated my husband for about 5 months (another stupid thing I did) before saying, I do.  I did love him and so wanted to believe this was the real one.  Within that first year of marriage I learn that Mike had ran up his credit cards and needed to refinance him home.  He asked me to sign a quit claim deed which I declined.  In the state of California your personal equity in your home before your marriage remains yours and any equity after the marriage is divided 50/50.  It was an argument and he tried to bully me into signing the quit claim deed but I refused.  While I was in the garage unpacking my things and putting them into (his) home a car drives up.  She parks, gets out, asks me if I'm Sharon B*** and I reply yes.  She serves me divorce papers.  I am floored, I began crying uncontrollably.  Within an hour my husband drives up and I am still crying out in the garage.  He takes one look at me and says, Do you want to go have Mexican Food for dinner??????  I said, are you crazy, you just served me papers for a divorce.  Mike says, well you won't sign the quit claim deed so you forced me into doing so.  I received advise from my attorney who told me to not sign the paper and get out of this mans life.  However, if I wanted the marriage signing the paper would not hold up in court because you cannot make someone sign a legal document under duress.  I took those papers to a notary and crying I signed it so we could give this marriage a chance.  Shortly after escrow closed he finally called his attorney and had the divorce papers ended.  My husband even told my brother, he never planned to divorce me but to make me sign the papers.  This was the start of a destructive path which I am still on to this day.  My husband has become obsessed with the power to control me.  He has me itemize my credit card bills before he will pay them.  Yet his bills go to his office and when I ask to see them he tells me, never will happen.  I make the money, I spend the money and you have no say.  I could write a book about his controlling behavior.  If we are at a party and I'm having fun or in his mind to much fun.  He will take me home and he will go back to the party without me.  He has emotionally degraded me to the point that I rarely go out.  I feel comfortable in my room watching TV.  At least if I am  consumed with a TV show I am not thinking of how pathetic I really am.  He knew when we married I was a poor, flight attendant who was happy renting a room from my sweet girl friend Tamra who was also a flight attendant and I was content.   Now he degrades me almost daily about my renting a room and being a poor flight attendant.  My husband makes over $200,000.00 a year, has an expense account with the company he is employed and at this time gives me $250.00 a twice a month to live on.   I injured my neck on taxi out at JFK, when the pilot had to slam on the brakes while I was up locking down my galley in the back on a 767 aircraft.  Right now I am on a small amount of temporary disability which I have not shared with my husband in fear he will take my $500.00 a month away from me.  THIS IS A CONTROL ISSUE, PLEASE RUN THE OTHER DIRECTION.  I'M AFRAID IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL END UP A 51 YEAR OLD FLIGHT ATTENDANT UNDER COMPLETE CONTROL MENTALLY, FINANCIALLY, AS I DID.  HE IS OBSESSED WITH BEING RIGHT AND BEING IN CONTROL HE DEGRADES ME THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN FINANCIALLY ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF MYSELF AND YET HE LOVES HAVING ME UNDER HIS CONTROL.  I have thoughts of suicide just to go to sleep and never feel the pain again..  Please forgive my grammar and spelling as I can barely write this through my tears.
All I can say is God help you...you have many sisters here praying for you.  Men have no idea what it means when a woman marries.  I hope you can emerge with your whole self in tact.  Please get professional help--you were a whole person before you married this person and you are a whole, valuable person now.  Please, never let another person define you or control you.  You made it before you met this person, AND YOU CAN MAKE IT NOW.  It breaks my heart when i see how one person can break anothers spirit.  TAKE BACK THE POWER SISTER!  FLIP IT!  And when he comes crawling back--tell him to KISS YOUR A$@!
 
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February 9, 2007, 8:26 pm PST

02/09 Sign on the Line!

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My husband presented me with a prenup 3 days before we were getting married.  Being in love most definitely causes a chemical imbalance.  I took it to my attorney to review.  He said it just meant that my husband keeps what he has prior to marriage and I keep what I have prior to marriage.  That was no problem he had a little money and a business, I had a great career and I had never worried about not working for a living.  So I signed.  We had a baby 1 yr and nine months later.  My husband said we did not need me to work, since I already did his business paperwork at night in addition to my full time job, I should just stay home and take care of our baby and take care of the business.  So for 6.5 yrs. I stayed home and did all the paper work, he gifted one of the businesses to me so I could be President and help him get minority contracts.  I also took care of our child entirely, and our house entirely.  No need to hire handyman when I could do most chores inside or out.  So for 6.5 yrs. I received no paycheck in my name.  Now here I am almost 10 yrs. later and according to the pre-nup I get 1/2 of the equity in the house and child support.  I have been trying to get a descent paying job through almost three years of an on going divorce.  I am the proud owner of $171,000.00 liability to the union for unpaid pension and welfare dues which I was forced to sign personally and as owner of the company.  The are many financial arrangements which I made for the business which help my husband put more money in his pocket.  Apparently the pre-nup had a little word in it that is called accretions.  Which means my husband took all our tax refunds and put them in his money market account which did not have my name on it.  He purchased equipment and vehicles and titled them in his company name.  My company paid the payments, but frankly I never had control over the business income anyway, I just paid the bills and invoiced the customers.  So while putting my career on hold and letting my pride and my Love for him stand in my way, I did not ask for IRA deposits or income in my own name.  I did however enjoy a beautiful home and spent a lot of quality time with our daughter while my husband enjoyed his extracurricular activities and traveled.  Unfortunately I ran out of money within the first 12 months of the divorce proceedings.  It truly is frightening to be over 40 with a 7 yr old child and no job security and very little money.  I will be forced to take a minimal settlement and child support and try to make a new life for myself and our daughter.  My right to alimony was waived in the pre-nup, my attorney did advise against waiving alimony, but I was too young to believe that it would effect my ability to provide for myself.  My husband however makes in one month what it will take a year for me to make, (if I can secure a descent job).  He has easily 2 million in assets and is still getting half of the marital assets which is the house and furniture.  Frankly, things did change after we got married and the man I thought I married by definition has all the characteristics of a narcissist.   I can't even make him move out of the house until I agree to his terms, at which time I will have to move out because I cannot afford the house.  My daughter is worth everything I have, and I am worth too much to continue living in a emotional, and mentally abusive marriage.  So MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE PRE-NUP and don't sell yourself short like I did.

Yes, but you have you daughter and you dignity.   Have your lawyer figure out the rest.  And move on, sista.  You have it all goin' on.  He's the loos'a.

 
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February 9, 2007, 8:28 pm PST

men have no rights

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This show almost made me a little nautious. How could anyone do such a thing as to demand a POST-nup, like seriously. What is even the point other than to say to your partner that you feel a divorce is around the corner. I totally am against the whole thing, I don't think i'd even sign one in the begining, like Dr.Phil said...why say "until death do us part", it's totally the against the whole meaning behind a marriage...in my personal view

I  as a woman , i was upset with  the woman on the show, if a man has worked hard some woman comes a long, bang shes entittled to half. she should get what she came with , if she did help from the start, then shes entittled. i feel  woman now a days have  all the rights and men have none,once that rings on the woman owns the man and becomes the boss. I  fell sorry for young men looking for a wife in this dayand age, they dont cook. dont clean some barely work but want everything. i work 9 hours a day and still can cook a meal every night and clean my home and haev too other cleaning jobs on the side. my job is very physicalworking for a house building company painting trim aamd kitchens siding and shingles bye hand. but still able to cook a meal. woman now a days are lazy and bossy, and whip there husbands. theres a topic for your show.I LOVE YOUR SHOW

 
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