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(Original Air Date: 02/13/07) In a marriage, an affair is the ultimate betrayal. But imagine finding out that your husband was cheating on you with your sister! Bettie says her husband, John, destroyed her trust when he had a six-month relationship with her sister, Molly -- an affair that occurred in Bettie’s own house. John says his act of infidelity happened nearly two years ago, and he’s over it, but he doesn’t understand why Bettie just can’t let it go. Then Molly, who has been watching backstage, joins her sister and brother-in-law. Find out why Molly says John is not the man Bettie thinks he is. Plus, Bettie’s mom, Virginia, overheard a secret phone call between Molly and John and says she doesn’t know why Bettie married John in the first place. Will Bettie’s lingering feelings of betrayal and mistrust destroy her relationship with her sister? Will she be able to forgive her husband and move past his affair? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 15, 2007, 11:57 am PST

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I would like to know when it became okay to not only cheat on your spouse, but cheat with a relative.  I know exactly what Bettie is experiencing.  Just over a year ago, while my cousin (barely 18 yrs old) was living with me, my husband, and our two very young daughters...I walked in on them one very early morning only to find them both naked in bed together.  I have never been so shocked, horrified, humiliated, and most of all angry.  I so agreed with what Dr PHil said about Bettie not being able to even begin putting this behind her until she feels like her husband has a clue about what this has done to her, how she feels, how she hurts, etc.  Until the husband can show some compassion, understanding, and humilty over the gut wrenching heartache he has caused (not only to Bettie, but to his children, friends, and family), no one in that family, especially Bettie, will be able to start the healing process.  Knowing that my husband has proven time and time again that he is not capable of such and act of remorse or humility, I made the only choice that made sense to me...DIVORCE.  Every day that the process of divorce continues is like reliving the pain and hurt all over again.  I believe that only once this divorce is final will I be able to start the healing process.
 
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February 15, 2007, 1:29 pm PST

02/13 Secret Love

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As I  watched the show today and listened to the wife, I knew exactly how she felt.  I have been there myself.  Believe me, I don't think it hurts any less if it's not your sister that your husband cheats with.  It happened to me13 years ago and I have never gotten over it.   I was so crushed that I couldn't think straight.  The man on the show acted much like my husband, declaring his love for me only, his sorrow for hurting me, and acting like it wasn't that big of a deal, just get over it and move on.  Well, I couldn't and didn't.  I stayed with him because of the kids, and I just couldn't bring myself to leave him at the time.  My heart was fragile .  Things got better for a while and then worse.  I became a distrusting, angry person.  He continued to be his dishonest self.  I never caught him again, but I heard rumors.   We are seperated now.  My advice:  make yourself strong and do what you need to do.  Do you really want to be married to a cheater?  I don't!
I would really like to talk to you about your experience.  I have found my husband in bed with my cousin who was barely 18 about a year ago.  We are going through an ugle divorce right now because of his inablity to understand the impact his actions have had on me and our family.  See my post on 2-15-07.  I am angry, hurt, and I wish he would just go away.  I feel like I won't be able to begin healing from this until after this divorce is final.  Each day as the divorce draws closer to an end I feel like I relive the pain and trauma and I can't move past it.  I feel manipulated by my husband, he tells me I made things worse by getting a lawyer, but he could compromise via mandated mediation, he doesn't see my pain, he doesn't understand why I feel the way I do...he is selfish and controlling and it's hard at times to feel confident in standing up for myself.  I just want to crawl under the covers and cry...I know I am not the first woman to experience this, but I feel so alone...even with the support of my friends and family.
 
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February 16, 2007, 7:19 pm PST

Doctor Phil Show.

Doctor Love Phil Secret. You got to be kidding me? What are you talking about? I have no Love Secret at all. See you tomorrow Afternoon. Sincerley Your. Russell
 
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February 17, 2007, 11:35 am PST

It happened to me....

Dear Dr. Phil,

I deliberated for days about writing this for fear I would be judged and ridiculed.  I'm still not sure I should write this, but it may help someone to understand Bettie.

 

I went through this identical thing...not once, not twice, but three times.  It took the third time for me to 'get it', that it was about him...not them.  The first sister was 17 and our 4 year old daughter was critical with kidney problems/surgery.  I stayed at the hospital with her 24/7 so it was 'my fault' when I came home and caught them after a month at the hospital.  The second sister was 15 when I was contacted by the children's home she was living in.  I felt sorry for her and took her in, delighted at giving her her first Christmas, showing her the love she never got at home and making her part of a real 'family'.  To give her some spending money, I paid her to care for my two children before and after school, and on summer break.  I noticed things, but pushed them aside for fear I was judging her by our other sister.  When I learned 'they' had been locking my children out of the house...I knew.  When confronted, she was like Molly and he was like John.  I sent her packing and later learned that she had big plans to 'replace me'.  The third sister was 19 and called me while her husband was trying to beat the door down to get to her.  I feared for her life, called the police in her town and wired her a plane ticket.  The police got her and her baby to the airport.  When I picked her up at the airport here, I gave her the low down on what would happen if she even THOUGHT about doing to me what the other two sisters had done.  She cried and vowed to me she 'wasn't like that'.  It wasn't even a month and I started seeing the signs so I became sneaky to 'catch them' and DID.  She called her HUSBAND to come get her, claiming I was about to kill her.  He came for her with a totally different story about the night I called the police.  About a month after she went back to her husband, I got a call that my sister and my husband were still talking on the phone, sending letters back and forth and she had gotten packages from him.    He read me some of the letters and told of the things in the packages....I knew it was my husband....he was 'courting' her!  It was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

My husband and I were married for 27 years....he had an affair every 3 or 4 years the entire marriage.  I always believed him when he made it 'my fault'.  I was raised by a narcissist and married one.  I truly didn't know that none of this was about me, it was about him.  It took a breakdown and a lot of therapy for me to understand, and even now, it's easy for me to blame myself.  I believed him when he said I should be thankful he wanted me because no one else would.  When he had an affair with my best friend, I bought all his excuses.  I loved this man with every fiber of my being and would take him back after months of his begging and vowing to never do it again.  It took the 7th affair to put a backbone in me.  But even then, he claimed they were 'just friends' so I told him, you have 60 days....it's her or me.  He said he wasn't about to give up a friend, so I left the state.  It took 5 and a half years to divorce him, he fought me with a criminal lawyer and in the end, I just gave up and let him have everything...including the burial plot I paid for (his was paid by the VA), the home, the business and equipment...all I got was 14,000 dollars and my freedom. 

 

In all the years we have been divorced/getting divorced....he has only had 2 girlfriends and both were doozies!  He still tries to get me back, but as each year passes, I wonder more and more, what was it that I saw in him?  What made me love him so?  WHY did I give him SEVEN (almost eight) chances?  How many affairs did he have that I didn't know about?  WHERE WERE MY BRAINS?

 

What I want to say here is.....I understand Bettie more than anyone can imagine.  I even understand Molly!!!!  When a man like John does what he does, the woman falls for it for reasons I can't explain.  Don't let Molly's attitude fool you....that's an armor.  She knows full well what she did to her sister and she also knows there is no way to pay for what she's done.  Those women came from a dysfunctional home....look at the mother!  When there is that much dysfunction in a home, we take it with us when we build our own homes.  The tragedy is, it's usually the 'innocent' of us that pay the price for the actions of others.  I have been told by professionals that it's amazing that I didn't end up in an institution as a child, let alone what I went through as an adult.  Bettie can forgive, but she can NEVER forget, it will haunt her forever and be the flea that bites her when least expected.  I read what John posted here, and wish I believed him...but it's not for me to believe.  Gramps always said "a leopard never changes his spots, he just rearranges them"....and how TRUE....once a dog....always a dog!

 

My son tried to warn me NOT to watch this particular show....said the folks even LOOKED like my situation.  But I tape the show and watched it anyway....couldn't sleep for days.  I wanted to reach out to Bettie in the worst way...but there is nothing I can say to help her.  She must walk her own road and make her own decisions at each fork and that's for none of us to judge.  I am much happier now, but it was a LONG road and I still don't trust folks (especially men).  My ex still clings to hope that one day I will take him back....NEVER!  He is a very lonely man, but he dug his own ditch.  One piece of advise I would give Bettie....the example you set for your children in this situation is IMPORTANT.  Staying/forgiving was NOT the best thing I did for mine.  My daughter is now 36 and my son is 34....neither have ever been married....both are single parents to one child.  They are successful in every aspect of their lives except relationships with the opposite sex.  Children don't learn from what they hear....they learn from what they see (live).  I pray Bettie can find peace.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil, for doing this show....until now....I thought I was 'the only one'.

 

Sincerely, Sunny         

 
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February 17, 2007, 5:01 pm PST

To John, the husband

John, in your post, you say all the right things.  I hope you mean them.  Betty deserves no less and so much more. 

 

Like Dr. Phil has said time and again:  "Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior".  Although you may make a good faith effort to square things with Betty, I'm sorry to say this, but I have NO confidence in you to remain faithful. 

 

My dad cheated on my mom.  Told her he'd never do it again (cried, begged her forgiveness, the whole nine yards).  Then he had a second affair.  

 

I don't think you can think with the brain between your ears anymore, quite frankly.  The brain between your legs has had a taste of the forbidden.  

 

It's like what they say about potato chips:  can't have just one.

 

 

 

 

 
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February 17, 2007, 5:19 pm PST

To Molly.

How many other married men have you seduced?  Like Dr. Phil has said, "How's THAT workin' for ya?".  What were you thinking?  Oh, that's right, you weren't.  No consideration for Betty, just your own physical needs.  I felt sad you looked much older than you are - you've racked up too much mileage.

 

Get focused on yourself in a positive way, get some self-esteem back and stand on emotionally solid ground.  Only then will you want to stay away from married men - and find a great single guy for yourself.  

 

If Betty decides to cut you out of her life (she's got my support if she does) - so be it.  Maybe then, you'll learn your lesson. 

 

So, get yourself together --- and keep your legs together. 

 

     

 
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February 17, 2007, 5:37 pm PST

To Betty.

Betty, I support you if you sever your relationship with Molly.  She crossed a line.  I do not believe if she apologized to you (over and over again...), she would be sincere.  She had an arrogant attitude on the show.  She didn't exhibit a conscience and definetely had no remorse.  (I think she's jealous of you actually).

 

This is my opinion I know, but I have to say this:  cut him loose and divorce yourself from this idiot.  Remember what Dr. Phil said?... "Past behavior is the best predictor of FUTURE behavior".  You will be fine on your own; you are a strong woman. 

 

One saying I think is so true:  It's better to be alone - than to have a 'bad' one....  and you can apply that saying to just about anything in life.

 

Here's another saying:  Don't let anyone live in your head - for Rent Free.

 

You deserve to be happy and to be with a man who's devoted to YOU.  And there's nothing wrong with being 'single' either.

 

I wish you the best.  Your gut instinct will steer you in the right direction. 

 

Trust yourself.

 

 

 

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February 18, 2007, 9:08 pm PST

02/13 Secret Love

THESE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY YOUR SISTER TOTALLY UNFORGIVABLE. KICK BOTH OF THEM TO THE CURB. IF HE WOULD CHEAT WITH YOUR SISTER, HE'LL CHEAT WITH ANYONE. REST ASSURED, ONCE A CHEAT ALWAYS A CHEAT. JUST ASK ME. IT HAPPENED TO ME, BUT NOT MY SIS. I KICKED HIS ASS CLEAR OUT OF THE STATE. U ARE A NICE, PRETTY LADY,  YOU WILL FIND SOMEONE.  JC
 
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February 19, 2007, 11:31 am PST

No Excuse

I have to admit, I never thought it would happened to me.  I had been married for 22 years and we have 2 children.  My husband had an affair with a woman in the church we attended for 15 years.  She said all they did was PRAY. (That's not my definition of prayer) After 2 years of counseling,  I'm getting out of this marriage.  I know now It wasn't my fault .  I know my faith is going to carry me through this.
 
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February 19, 2007, 7:51 pm PST

Unfortunately enough,

Cheating happens all the time. Especially with a family member. It happend to me too. Yes, it hurts, but you don't have to go on a show complain to the world. They have therapists for that. They WON'T go publicizing it and put it all over the internet and television. If you're really hurting over it, then you won't want to get attention by telling everyone.

 
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