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Topic : 06/26 The Young and the Reckless

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Created on : Friday, February 09, 2007, 02:44:03 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/07) The bad behavior of some young celebutantes is all over the news — Paris Hilton receiving jail time, and Britney Spears going to rehab. Dr. Phil's guests are spiraling out of control by emulating the celebrity life. Chelsey, 21, is a self-admitted good-time girl who loves limousines, nightclubs and tequila shots. Her obsession with partying is so bad that she's been in drug rehab three times in the past three years! Chelsey's mother, Renee, wants her out of the fast lane before she crashes and burns. Can Chelsey change her ways, or is the damage beyond repair? Then, 23-year-old Raquel thinks nothing of driving drunk, wearing sexy clothes and flirting with the boyfriends of other women. She even travels with an entourage! Raquel's sister, Angie, believes she's destroying her career by living the high life. Will Raquel sober up when Dr. Phil gives her a dose of reality? Tell us what you think!

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February 9, 2007, 3:55 pm CST

02/15 The Young and the Reckless

Wow! I think these's girls need help and its not good to party hard and drink.  Its not good for there health and driveing while drinking is really bad. You can kill yourself and someone else on the road.  People can have a good time without drinking and going to clubs! Praying for them!
 
February 9, 2007, 8:07 pm CST

02/15 The Young and the Reckless

I sure hope that Dr. Phils dose of reality helps these girls amongst many others who might be watching. What a waste of time and energy these people are into, wonder who their role models are in every day life? Seriously, I think one probably has a very low self image of themselves to be acting like this, and of course Hollywood doesn't help any, Paris and Brittney? blahhhhhhh, those are two so called entertainers who are not welcome on my tube.
 
February 11, 2007, 7:17 pm CST

02/15 The Young and the Reckless

Quote From: jettav

I sure hope that Dr. Phils dose of reality helps these girls amongst many others who might be watching. What a waste of time and energy these people are into, wonder who their role models are in every day life? Seriously, I think one probably has a very low self image of themselves to be acting like this, and of course Hollywood doesn't help any, Paris and Brittney? blahhhhhhh, those are two so called entertainers who are not welcome on my tube.

You know, when Brittany Spears made her debut, she was a decent role model, I mean she had clothes on at least, and was preaching virginity til marriage ( we all know where that ended up ), then someone said, sweetie to stay on top, you have to take your clothes off, and start acting slutty, not to mention keep your name in the Tabloids, and instead of taking a stand on her own career and with her Mother's blessing that's what she did, and then she was banned from my home as well, at least from my hearing and sight.

Paris Hilton ? As far as I can see, all she's know for is that internet porn and Daddy's bank account, nothing special really, just a spoiled brat that thinks she's above the law ( did she do any time or get fined for that DUI, or did Daddy's money get her off, no pun intended there)

So why do people emulate these people ? Like you I wonder who their  role models were growing up, the REAL ONES, not the plastic people in the Tabloids at the news stands, I mean okay get it out of your system before you get married and have kids, but this is over the top.

 
February 11, 2007, 7:17 pm CST

They're young but not doing anything a lot of people do or did at that age

The big difference is the spotlight is on them.  As a recovered alcoholic for over 14 years, I know all too well the risks I took, the bad choices and the fact that it is a miracle that I didn't kill anyone (even though I did cause a car crash when I was drunk, but even that didn't stop me from drinking and doing drugs).  I credit my alcoholism to both genetics and upbringing.  My parents drank the entire time I was growing up, so I believed that it was just what all adults did (so I started when I was 14, of course).  No one could have stopped me from my bad behavior except for myself.  I had to want it.  The odd thing about my recovery was that I always knew I was alcoholic but had no plans to stop the behavior.  I had a beautiful moment of clarity followed by rehab and years of trudging the road of happy destiny.  Along that road we had an intervention for a girlfriend who was going to die from starvation due to anorexia and exercise bulemia.  That was in 1992 and she is still in her disease.  She has learned how to mask it from uneducated people, including her family, and hopes to start a family soon.  I pray she'll be able to have a child in her weakened condition; but I know she does not believe she has a problem, so in my philosophy, she does not have a problem.  I am an alcoholice because I say I am.  I believe a person is not truly an alcoholic/addict (same thing, a drug is a drug is a drug) until they admit it to themselves and to another person which makes it a reality.  I think and have seen some interventions work long-term when caught early enough, but for the most part, no matter how generous Dr. Phil is with these people, the job is theirs alone to ASK for help.  Until they want it more than the drunk, they will be drunk (even if they take no drugs - they will be "dry drunks" who, in my opinion might as well drink because they're just as miserable).  The saying "Live and Let Live" is big in AA/NA; I prefer Live and Let Die (but then again, this is God as I understand God and in my understanding, there is no death...just a passing on ~ but whatever I leave unfinished here on earth, I'm still going to have to face when I pass away, so might as well live in "heaven" while I'm on earth instead of waiting for it.  For me, so far today, that is sobriety.  Because I asked for help.  I'm glad I didn't kill anyone or myself and I'm grateful I did not catch a life threatening disease beyond alcoholism in action.  If I had, I'm sure my philosophy would be far different.  I think the best thing a parent can do for their adult children is to be good examples (even if they think it's too late) and then let their children go (third step).  They may fail and no, it isn't fair to an innocent bystander who may also be injured by the disease; but chipping away at individual cases is somewhat a waste of time.  To condratict myself though; you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, but at least they'll know where to findn the pond when they're thirsty enough.  God bless them all...

 
February 11, 2007, 8:07 pm CST

Who is to blame!!

Unfortunately I am unable to view this particular Dr Phil episode...I am the single mother of a 19yr old daughter and 18 yr old son....one thing I have learnt in being a parent is that children will only get away with what they are allowed to get away with!!

 

Parents determine the course / path that our children will eventually take....if you instill good values at a very early age.....even if they stray ( usually when they're testing the boundaries ), they soon learn for themselves that  the (" fairy life style that these celebrities live and is constantly emblazened over the tabloids, is just that fairy land that is unsustainable in the longterm!! ) 

 

Provide other roles models like those involved in educatiuon, sports etc...get them involved in activiteis..both my children have been involved in various sports, including athletics, team sports, dance & music......all this on a single income..get involved with your children, know who their friends are, invite their friends over so that you can see them interact..you'll soon know who is a good influence and who isn't.....YES this all takes time and when you're trying to earn a living it is easy to cop out... ..and it doesnt guarantee an easy time, even children have their own personalities etc..its a constant give and take...

 

What you will find is that they wont look to empty vessels like the Spears, Hiltons, Lohans of this world to emulate they will see them for who they are ...NOBODIES , built up by the media to be SOMEBODY..they remind me of the kid in the class who can only make friends by being outrageous..and yes will attract that poor kid who feels unloved, un appreciated, and low self esteem ..

 

LIKE I SAID EVEN WHEN YOU GIVE OF YOUR TIME & LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY CHILDREN WILL PUSH OUR BUTTONS,  BUT STANDING FIRM WITH YOUR FAMILY VALUES,  BEING THERE TO LISTEN ETC,  DISCUSS WITH THEM WHAT THEY THINK OF THE WAY THESE PEOPLE ARE BEHAVING, I'M SURE THAT OUR  CHILDREN  WILL SEE THESE SPOILT AND BADLY BEHAVED BRATS AS JUST THAT!!!   

 
February 11, 2007, 10:07 pm CST

Don't blame the Parents!

Quote From: sportysa05

Unfortunately I am unable to view this particular Dr Phil episode...I am the single mother of a 19yr old daughter and 18 yr old son....one thing I have learnt in being a parent is that children will only get away with what they are allowed to get away with!!

 

Parents determine the course / path that our children will eventually take....if you instill good values at a very early age.....even if they stray ( usually when they're testing the boundaries ), they soon learn for themselves that  the (" fairy life style that these celebrities live and is constantly emblazened over the tabloids, is just that fairy land that is unsustainable in the longterm!! ) 

 

Provide other roles models like those involved in educatiuon, sports etc...get them involved in activiteis..both my children have been involved in various sports, including athletics, team sports, dance & music......all this on a single income..get involved with your children, know who their friends are, invite their friends over so that you can see them interact..you'll soon know who is a good influence and who isn't.....YES this all takes time and when you're trying to earn a living it is easy to cop out... ..and it doesnt guarantee an easy time, even children have their own personalities etc..its a constant give and take...

 

What you will find is that they wont look to empty vessels like the Spears, Hiltons, Lohans of this world to emulate they will see them for who they are ...NOBODIES , built up by the media to be SOMEBODY..they remind me of the kid in the class who can only make friends by being outrageous..and yes will attract that poor kid who feels unloved, un appreciated, and low self esteem ..

 

LIKE I SAID EVEN WHEN YOU GIVE OF YOUR TIME & LOVE UNCONDITIONALLY CHILDREN WILL PUSH OUR BUTTONS,  BUT STANDING FIRM WITH YOUR FAMILY VALUES,  BEING THERE TO LISTEN ETC,  DISCUSS WITH THEM WHAT THEY THINK OF THE WAY THESE PEOPLE ARE BEHAVING, I'M SURE THAT OUR  CHILDREN  WILL SEE THESE SPOILT AND BADLY BEHAVED BRATS AS JUST THAT!!!   

 

 

You do make a good point, parents should always be a good role model to their kids,and be there for them emotionally.  However, this does not always guarantee that a child will not grow up to be a party animal. 

 

Kids will experiment.  If you have been a loving parent and good role model than I guess your children will have a better than average chance of getting out of it without messing up his/her life.  But there will always be the possibility that it could go bad .  I was fortunate as well.  :My children grew up to be productive and responsible citizens.  However, I know people that loved their kids, supported them, and did nothing "wrong", and their middle child, who is now a 30 year old grandparent, really messed up his life, while another person I know was permiscuious, an alcoholic, and rarely home because she was staying at different men's homes, yet her son is now an officer in the Navy after graduating with honors at Iowa State School of Engineering and is a Nuclear engineer.  So, as much as we would like to pat ourselves on the back for our luck with  our "good" kids, it is just that....luck. 

 

I guess what I am saying is that each child will make up their own mind, and all we can do as parents is pray. 

 
February 12, 2007, 3:06 am CST

A forgien point of view

I am an American living in Germany and since moving here I have had a real eye opener. The problems that I have seen in America do not exist here in Germany. And I think that is because of the way they raise their kids here. We are a military family and have been in Germany for 1 1/2 years now.  Kids here are aloud to drink at the age of 14 here.  You would think that would lead to early addiction but from what I see it does not. There are sooo many teenagers here that have had beer at an early age and they discover it is no big deal to be drunk.  It is rare to find a teenger drinking in bars...they do go to bars but they usualy end up just drinking soda. 

 

Maybe if we took the secret out of alcohol when kids were younger and stop making it seem like such a grown up thing to do kids would not feel the need to do it all the time.  We all know as parents, as soon as you tell your kid that something is forbidden to them the first thing they try to do is just the thing we said not to do. 

 

And for the teens drinking and driving...I think the driving age is too low in our country. Here in Germany you must be 18 to be able to drive. Then if you want to drive you must take a 6 month driving school course. And if you pass the driving school the you must pay 2000.00 Euros for the D.L. That amount is equal to about $2500.00 in U.S. money.  Needless to say, there are very few accidents here. And if you get caught drinking and driving here...even on your bicycle...you will lose your D.L. for good. 

 

I feel we are to strick on somethings but way to laxed on other things.  But that is just my opinion on this subject.  I think we should look at other cultures and see how well things work for them and maybe try to adopt new ideas into our own culture.

 
February 12, 2007, 4:40 am CST

Girls Gone Wild

The sad thing about Brittney, Paris and all the other mindless tabloid stars is that they think it is cute to act slutty.  They enjoy being in the tabloids week after week.  Good grief!  Britney is a mother now.  She needs to start acting like one.
 
February 12, 2007, 7:19 am CST

After the glitter fades...

Then what?  After they've drunken themselves into a DUI or vehicular manslaughter charges and end stage cirrhosis, then what?  Keeping yourselves healthy in youth will keep you healthy later.  IF you sleep around a lot-or at least present yourself that way, what respectable guy is going to want you (versus using you for sex?).  What if they acquire Hepatitis C or HIV?  Can they afford lifelong medication or liver transplant (if they even get to the top of the list)?

 

Acquiring skills in your youth makes you valuable when you can no longer rely on your looks.  Being healthy allows you to use those skills.  They should go to college or if they have, focus on a career instead of partying all the time.  If you go into an interview (not at a strip club) wearing hoochie gear, what is the manager going to think?  I wish these celebutante wannabes would actually contribute to society instead of partying their lives away.

 
February 12, 2007, 7:35 am CST

Y & R - it is a CHOICE

Quote From: ceildh1

You know, when Brittany Spears made her debut, she was a decent role model, I mean she had clothes on at least, and was preaching virginity til marriage ( we all know where that ended up ), then someone said, sweetie to stay on top, you have to take your clothes off, and start acting slutty, not to mention keep your name in the Tabloids, and instead of taking a stand on her own career and with her Mother's blessing that's what she did, and then she was banned from my home as well, at least from my hearing and sight.

Paris Hilton ? As far as I can see, all she's know for is that internet porn and Daddy's bank account, nothing special really, just a spoiled brat that thinks she's above the law ( did she do any time or get fined for that DUI, or did Daddy's money get her off, no pun intended there)

So why do people emulate these people ? Like you I wonder who their  role models were growing up, the REAL ONES, not the plastic people in the Tabloids at the news stands, I mean okay get it out of your system before you get married and have kids, but this is over the top.

Regardless of the presence of any spotlight, the aforementioned young "ladies" have chosen to live this lifestyle as much in the public eye as possible. I don't think anybody begrudges the right of these gals to have a good time, but DUIs, parking in the middle of the highway, and the like are just over the top. If JoAnn Schmo pulled a stunt like that in your hometown or mine, her name would be in the paper, all right - in the "Police Blotter" section, no photo. These women do it, it's all over every tabloid in the country, and really, WHY SHOULD WE CARE about, let alone attempt to emulate, what these dip-brains do? Even my 11-y/o is "so over" all of them it isn't even funny!

 

I agree with you about Britney, either she figured out or was told that to have any semblance of an "adult" career she needed to keep her name out there as much as possible - the maxim "no publicity is bad publicity" applies in spades. Paris? As you say, spoiled, and I would add trashy, brat. If her last name were "Reynolds," and she didn't have Daddy's fortune, she'd probably be in a trailer park somewhere. At least Lindsay seems to realize she has a problem & is doing something about it, again, her (more positive) CHOICE.

 

As far as role models go, look at whom we as a society in general idolize, pay obscenely well, and splash all over our so-called news media - entertainers (I use that term loosely) and athletes. We couldn't care less about our teachers, police officers, or research scientists - when was the last time People did a cover story about/Oprah host on her show a Chemisty Nobel laureate...probably never?? In the long run, whose accomplishments are greater - Britney's or those of the Nobel laureate? 'Nuff said.

 
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