Topic : 07/23 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 3

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(Original Air Date: 02/12/07) Three couples continue an intensive workshop with Dr. Phil, in a last-ditch effort to save their marriages. After almost getting kicked out of the house, Nic and Amanda sit down with Dr. Phil to discuss their biggest issues: their falling out with Nic’s mother, Amanda’s job as an exotic dancer and the affair she’s been having with a patron. With surprise visits from his mother and the man sleeping with his wife, Nic struggles with his emotions. Can he get everything on the table and find some closure? Will Amanda be unified with her husband and tell the other man that it’s over for good? Then, Cherie watches from another room as her husband, John, talks with Dr. Phil, but it's not long before she becomes outraged by what she hears. She joins the men to tell her side of the story. Plus, does an unexpected visit by Cherie’s mother make John pack up and leave? Join the discussion.

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July 25, 2007, 7:44 am PDT

07/23 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 3

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I wanted to tell you about some thoughts I had recently about stripping after reading a post by the messinger. First of all, I have always, from way back, defended a woman's right to do whatever,and not be dissed or judged by anyone. So, I defend Amanda's right to strip.Any and all of us have the right ot choose what we want to do in our lives and not have other people judge us. And, even though there were a lot of negative posts the first time these shows aired and there still are this time around, I have a feeling that stripping may be more acceptable to folks than it may have been in the long past. Then I came across the post from messinger and it got me to thinking. Not about being selfrightous, or pious. Not about the strippers "luring" men in to watch them. Not about being judgemental. It got me to thinking about the individual woman who is willing to strip. It got me to wondering if a woman who chooses to strip, DOES have deeper issues within herself that makes her decide to persue this line of work. I'm 53 next month and I'm not set in my ways of thinking. I'm always open to new ideas and I am constantly learning new things. I don't think I'll ever get too old to be open to new ways of thinking. I now find myself feeling compassion for the individual woman who strips, wondering if there is something in her life that has brought her to this profession. I have a daughter who is 25 and I would worry about her if she decided to persue stripping. I would worry about her personal safety and her state of mind. How do you feel about themessinger's first post?
"It got me to wondering if a woman who chooses to strip, DOES have deeper issues within herself that makes her decide to persue this line of work."

She could, that is totally possible. But that could be true of many things. Almost any choice in life can be made for the wrong reasons.


 
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July 25, 2007, 10:56 am PDT

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The few girls that I know that let their lifestyle pull them under the negative views of their job choice have dealt with all the judemental peolpe and proven to them all that they can do what they love to do and get the respect that they deserve and should be given.

 

Again, what about the wives, girlfriends (if they are single) and children of the men that go into those strip clubs?  The strippers are teasing them, making them drool, lust, giving them lap dances.  What they are doing is disrespectful to the wives, girlfriends and children of these men and you say give them the RESPECT that they DESERVE?  Yes, men make a decision to go into these clubs, but the strippers that "entertain" them are not exactly making anything any better.

 

 

Simply put; garbage and rot. 
 
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July 25, 2007, 7:29 pm PDT

Thank you.

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You did come back with a hard one.  I have never cheated on even someone I dated, so I can only guess.  For all those out there who will be ready to jump on me for what I'm about to say, remember that I have not done this.

 

When men cheat, there can be any number of reasons given, but the truth is that we are programmed to seek a mate, but to also try to mate when the opportunity arises.  I am sure that women who are honest with themselves will admit that being found desirable by men in general is a nice thing.  It raises your self esteem.  You feel much better about yourself.  When a man is found desirable by women, the same thing happens.  The difference is that the male is predisposed to act on those feelings.

 

You really have to laugh at those who think we are so far above animals in every way.  It just isn't true.  Our ancestors lived in an environment in which the males would take mates by displays of physical prowess.  The female was naturally attracted to the male who could best provide for her and her offspring.  In those days, the male need not be monogamous.  In fact, it was usually better for the society if they weren't, since so many were killed in hunts or war.

 

We are not far removed from our primitive ancestors.  We have the same drives they had (male and female) but most of us have consciously decided not to act on those drives.

 

So, why do men cheat?  There are basic reasons.  They see, they want, and they take.  They make the decision to allow the primitive drives to come to the foreground.  But, they do make that decision.  Once the drive has been acted on, they remember their more civilized side.  Then they have to find blame (couldn't be them, you know).  They may choose to blame the wife with what are almost always irrational reasons; or they may blame the other women for "seducing them".  They will almost never blame themselves.  In fact, many have been brought up to believe that cheating by the male is normal and makes them more manly.

 

The "other woman" was once called "loose" by the males.  Now they are called opportunities.

 

When all is said and done, the answer to your questions is because many men are pigs who will set aside the feelings of their partners for a few minutes of physical pleasure.

 

I know what you were saying, but does any of this make sense?

Yes. It makes sense and is food for thought.
 
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July 26, 2007, 8:25 am PDT

personal safety

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I wanted to tell you about some thoughts I had recently about stripping after reading a post by the messinger. First of all, I have always, from way back, defended a woman's right to do whatever,and not be dissed or judged by anyone. So, I defend Amanda's right to strip.Any and all of us have the right ot choose what we want to do in our lives and not have other people judge us. And, even though there were a lot of negative posts the first time these shows aired and there still are this time around, I have a feeling that stripping may be more acceptable to folks than it may have been in the long past. Then I came across the post from messinger and it got me to thinking. Not about being selfrightous, or pious. Not about the strippers "luring" men in to watch them. Not about being judgemental. It got me to thinking about the individual woman who is willing to strip. It got me to wondering if a woman who chooses to strip, DOES have deeper issues within herself that makes her decide to persue this line of work. I'm 53 next month and I'm not set in my ways of thinking. I'm always open to new ideas and I am constantly learning new things. I don't think I'll ever get too old to be open to new ways of thinking. I now find myself feeling compassion for the individual woman who strips, wondering if there is something in her life that has brought her to this profession. I have a daughter who is 25 and I would worry about her if she decided to persue stripping. I would worry about her personal safety and her state of mind. How do you feel about themessinger's first post?

You mention that you would be concerned about your daughter's personal safety. 

Well, I always was conerned. 

I would go to sleep at night worrying about soemone following her or hurting her. 

I think that was my biggest issue with it. 

I am happy to report that the bouncers at the places take their safety very seriously and do everything they can to make sure they are safe.

 I appreciate so many of you that do not judge Amanda. 

We all have our crosses to bare. 

 

 
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July 26, 2007, 8:29 am PDT

07/23 The Dr. Phil House: Man Camp, Part 3

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I'm not "pro stripper"...I am pro "live and let live".

If my daughter seemed to truly enjoy it that would be her business. Again, there are other things she could do with her life that I would find much more disturbing than stripping. But if she was happy, not hurting anyone and if she kept herself safe then I would have no problem with it. Just as with any other life choice of hers.

I agree with you.  Don't we all just want our children to be happy?

Amanda is an incredible mother, and is an honor student in college.

There are plenty of kids out there that do worse things.

Life is too short to spend my energies judging others. 

 

 
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August 2, 2007, 7:27 pm PDT

Man Camp?

I've been in these same postions with numerous relationships. The bottom line is that yes the title of the show may not be what we all think it should have been, but it was a good show none the less. Some of you may think that this was a bunch of adults acting immaturely, but the fact of the matter is this happens everyday for many many people. These are the lives of couples around the country. Both husbands and the wives are in need of help. Whether it's the husbands doing the abusing or the wives sitting around allowing it to happen, they need help. And I really think that in all three of these cases they are too far gone and need to walk away. That is definately opinion only. I hope that this "Man Camp" will help them resolve the issues, but all in all you can't change other people only yourself. So the odds of these couples all deciding that they each want to change themselves is very low.
 

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