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Topic : 07/26 Adoptions Scams, Part 1

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(Original Air Date: 02/22/07) Dr. Phil explores one of the cruelest cons in America: adoption scams. Couples hoping, wishing, praying to have their own child, become easy targets for heartless con artists who pose online as birthmothers. Meet three women who wanted nothing more than to hold a newborn child in their arms. Instead, they say they were misled, lied to and left devastated by a woman who claimed to be pregnant with a baby meant for them. Now Marie, Crissy and Jen might have a chance to confront Melissa, the woman who deceived them. With the help of private investigator Harold Copus, they track her down, and even Dr. Phil is shocked by what happens when they find her, including their close encounter with a man and his shotgun. When Melissa sits down with Dr. Phil to tell her side of the story, will her victims finally get their chance to confront her face to face? Talk about the show here.

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July 26, 2007, 9:19 pm PDT

the real victims

While my heart goes out to these women lets discuss the real victims in this situation. Children in the American foster care system. This pathological liar and complete psycho played a game with these women and wasted their time, money and energy that could've been spent on adopting a child that is really in need of home. Shame on you dr.phil for not fully exploring that point I'm disappointed because you usually cover all the bases.

The women I think should sue her in civil court for emotional distress and for money they spent on travel and lawyers etc. they've got her confessing on national television so it should be open and shut. surely there's a lawyer that would take it on just for the publicity.

Back to my point, children are neglected and abused everyday in foster care and at least three could've been saved, if not for the actions of that selfish *&%#^.  As though the foster system doesn't have enough bad P.R. now there are people like this who just want to play a game for their own amusement.

Melissa wanted to act like a bad ass online and behind the scenes but the truth is she's a coward she was hiding behind her mommy and daddy when when the women showed up at her house, she was hiding backstage during the show. She is nothing and will never be anything because she can't face her mistakes. there was no remorse in her at all she was sorry she got caught but not sorry for what she did. she just wants attention probably because she never got any in her whole life. She's fat ass white trash and after seeing her parents reaction i can see where she gets it from, looks like they went mighty wrong EVERYWHERE.

She need to be shown the faces of the real victims, children waiting to be adopted, read her reports of foster abuse and neglect.

Don't forget the children!! anyone who hurts kids is a worthless life form. And to the ladies on the show today, sue her!!!

 
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July 26, 2007, 9:43 pm PDT

07/26 Adoptions Scams, Part 1

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The lady didn't steal anyone's hopes or dreams, she stole their money. Babies are blank slates; one is as good as the next.  She scammed them, she'll go to jail, but she isn't evil, and they can go buy another kid.

I'm rather surprised to read your response.  It showed a remarkable lack of understanding, of adoption, of adoption scams and of this adoption scam in particular.

 

Allow me to clarify things for you.

 

First of all, adoption is a combination of two things.  A woman unable to care for her child and an adoptive couple, usually unable to have children of their own.  Selling a baby is strictly against National Law and people who do it are usually prosecuted to the fullest extent the law will allow.

 

Second, adoption scams DO steal an adoptive couples dreams.  They are dreaming of holding a child in their arms, dreaming of raising it, giving it their love, teaching it how to be a responsible adult.  They WANT these things and it's true up to a point that one child is as a good as any other...at first.  But babies take nine months to develop.  Usually adoptive parents don't have to endure the whole nine months waiting for the baby to be born, but however long it takes eventually they begin to feel that they have formed a bond with the child they are promised, so when a mother or scammer tells the prospective couple that, for whatever reason, they can't have the baby after all, it's like the child died in their arms.  They are hurt and have to mourn.  They also lose hope.  Adoption is a long and difficult process.  The United States has some rather stringent adoption laws and, on top of that, many adoption agencies try to screen prospective parents before they start to match them with adoptable babies.  Their hope that some other mother will select them as worthy parents for her child becomes overshadowed by the realization that whatever mother they are talking to may be attempting to trick them again.  Another point here is that, very often prospective parents of an adopted child have spent a good deal of money preparing to receive the child promised to them (buying clothing and furniture, hiring lawyers so that they know what they have to do to be able to bring the child home and give it their name, perhaps even painting a room, things like that), so even if there weren't laws against "buying another kid" as you so astutely put it, they might not have the resources available to do so.

 

Last, but most certainly not least,  the only thing you said about "the Lady" that I agree with is "She isn't evil."  This scam wasn't for money, it was for attention.  The scammer in this particular instance wanted to feel important to someone.  It's true that she did get some items and possibly some money, but her ultimate desire wasn't to bilk the prospective parents of her "child"  out of their life savings, it was to feel important to someone.

 

That said, there's a good chance that all three women will have to go through some form of therapy before they are ready to trust another mother telling them they are the right people for her baby and the next time you make one of these pronouncements it might be a good idea to have all the facts first.  That way you wouldn't get the goats of so many people.

 
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July 26, 2007, 10:19 pm PDT

07/26 Adoptions Scams, Part 1

Quote From: reticulate

Tell me, please, how exactly do you steal a dream?

Hmm, I see you want details.  Let's see here.

 

First, you must determine what the dream is.  Let's say you dream of owning a snowmobile.

 

Next, you find a weakness.  Let's say you want a snowmobile so badly, you're willing to settle for a used one, even if you have to take it to a repair shop after you buy it.

 

Then, you hook your dreamer.  In this instance, someone tells you that they have a snowmobile that's perfect for you.  Your hopes are built up.  Your dream of owning a snowmobile is about to come true.  You spend a lot of money getting ready.  You take snowmobiling classes, buy a trailer and a snowmobile cover, liberate space for it in your garage,  hire a mechanic to take a look at the snowmobile after you buy it, buy plane tickets if necessary.  Things like that.

 

Then, just when your dreamer is ready to have their dream fulfilled, you snatch the rug right out from under them.  In this instance, you are told that (for whatever reason) you can't have the snowmobile after all.  Maybe you discover that the person you were going to buy from never had a snowmobile to begin with.  Maybe they were just exploiting your dream for laughs.  Who knows?  Suddenly, however, you find yourself unable to trust the next person who offers to sell you a snowmobile.  Perhaps you even start to believe that owning a snowmobile isn't worth the hassle.

 

That's how you steal a dream.

Now imagine that happening to someone who wants to adopt a child.

And, before you begin to squawk at me, remember you DID ask and I'm sure many other dreamers out there will agree that I haven't missed much in my step-by-step instructions.

 

 

 
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July 26, 2007, 10:44 pm PDT

The one who is selfless

Mellisa is a woman who only cares for herself and nobody else, She ended up getting gratification on what she did. For one thing the world wide web allows anyone, to post messages like here, or any other site, allowing people to become what they want, the web is full of it. Mellisa appears she has some hatred in her life, but is too self consciensous that she doesnt want anything else to go wrong. It seems that she keeps suppressed  feeling inside her, thus she wishes to get back and what better way than to do it on the internet, and pick a good subject. She did pick a good subject, ADOPTION, She then manipulated those in such a way, that made her feel powerfull over the human mind, self power, and it was her antidote, She could care less for those she affected, She did not even want to be on the show and could care less about the 3 woman on the show, oh but one woman she did want to talk too,  i wonder why, well one that woman is the one who gave her money in that scheme, she is the one that could send Mellisa to Jail,  so Mellisa thinks she can manipulate her into forgiving her, and then she could be on her way.

The one thing Mellisa doesnt see is that the problem is very apparent, and she knew she did wrong and at the same time still thinks it is not wrong, all she wants is to save her butt,  She only cares for herself,  Shes not sick no she is not , She is twisted, and unforgiving, and selfish and only loving to herself. She needs to evaluate her problems and get those situated before it is too late, or it might be too late allready, she needs to own up just like Dr Phill said  As for the women who were affected by her (emotionally and physically) i give you my deepest sympathy, and may her kind not stop u from adopting,


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July 26, 2007, 11:03 pm PDT

Sick people in this world

As a mother of an angel, I was sickened to learn that one of the excuses this "woman" used was that her baby died.  I would never wish this on anyone.... the pain and guilt is horrible even when you know you did everything you could to save your child.  I believe in stronger punishment than is allowed by law.... the punishment should fit the crime.  I feel that this "woman" should sit in jail until she is unable to have children of her own and NEVER be allowed to be around children.  Children are a blessing from God not a pawn to make you feel "special."  There is nothing special about her.  May she seek and find help.... she's sick!
 
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July 27, 2007, 11:04 am PDT

This woman is crazy!

 Who does she think she is???? I have an adopted sister and I bet if my parents had been denied that baby, there would have been a lot of explaining to do, not to mention all the heartache that would have ensued! I just think that that is a terrible thing to do to someone whose wanting a baby so badly that for different reasons, can't have one of their own! And all for her own gain?? Because as she said, she wants to feel special to someone, it is completely selfish of her!

And I've never been through anything like this, but I can only imagine how difficult it would be to be those parents anticipating a new baby. I'm sorry for all the heartache that she has put them through!

For her to deny them an opportunity to see her, to talk to her and have their time, is terrible! These three women, anticipating the child that never existed, have a right to be upset, to be angry for the agony that "Bella" has put them through! It's all for her own selfish gain, "bella" is on a power trip for sure!


 
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July 27, 2007, 11:33 am PDT

Doctor Phil Show

Adop Doctor One Part Phil Scams Tions. What did I miss that? Oh well I will to see tomorrow Afternoon. See you tomorrow Afternoon. Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanmderen.-------------------
 
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July 27, 2007, 1:23 pm PDT

The long road to peace

  I am reposting my story because I feel that my perpective may give a little insight, and maybe a little hope for those moms that haven't been successful yet, in the adoption process...
This same thing happened to my husband and I !!! She had me running down to Riverside (an hour away) every weekend taking her to apointments, paying her electric bills, and all the stupid things we did for her from our heart because she was going to be (in our minds) the mother of our child and she deserved the respect and love from us. We even bought her flowers and party dresses etc. Needless to say she took us for the ride that we desperate "wanna be" parents so easily bargain in for.

Yet somewhere there was a little feeling in my heart that had me worried...so I hired a very
reputable adoption psychologist a week before she was supposed to deliver. I had a sense that I should turn every stone and I am glad I did. It turned out she wouldn't even talk to the psychologist and her father called my lawyer and said it was a scam from day one. We had no recourse (adoptive parents have NO RIGHTS!) and we were out thousands of dollars and had spent the money we had saved for years...it was all dashed with our hopes and dreams...everything destroyed (Coy if you are reading this, after ten years I still would like to give you the swift kick you deserve but I will leave that to your own guilt that must be eating away as you age and mature).

Anyway, after 6 long months of drs., sonograms, making the babys room up, getting clothes and diapers etc....it was all over in one fell swoop. Did I mention that we had been waiting to get "picked" for two years prior?

It felt like my baby had died. But like a phoenix  I was determined to rise out of those ashes ( the worst thing a person can do is to get sucked into someone elses chaos.) So, I
started to search for people like me..phantom mothers, people who had a "dream child" that had a name, a face, a decorated room waiting for them, and all the toys and clothes befittiing a princess, but never would reach this mother who longed for them.

I searched the libraries for books...I found nothing, until one night at 4:00am, in my depression of long nights pondering how I could have been duped and all the other worries that occur to an otherwise sensible woman at this time of the early morning, I came across an article on the internet written by a woman who went to China and brought back a baby that she nursed to good health. This was before it was fashionable to go to China, when babies were coming back to America with milk white skin and intestinal parasites and all the other tragedies of the adoption system. It was a REAL place, where people left their children out of desperation, not neglect or for money. I woke my husband up and told him I had found the REAL PATH we were supposed to be on...and after two more years (red tape at that time)...we finally got our beautiful daughter from China who is ten now and every bit a composite of my husband (sporty) and I (arty and musical), it's as if she was intended to be mine from conception and like a pinball machine, she was shot down the wrong shoot and landed somewhere in China (I am just kidding). I was glad that I was able to save a lottle money and thanks to President Clinton
we were given a little financial help through tax relief to offset the enormous expense.
Somehow it seemed that for once, things were flowing in one direction and this
was the truest sign that what we were doing was the right thing!

And after all we have been through,  if I had to sum up my experience I will say that if all the things that happened in the 71/2 years it took (through fertility stuff to the failed adoption) had not happened, I wouldn't have found our daughter. I am so glad that those things happened and I carry those with me as a warrior, and when I look in my daughters eyes I see the phoenix because I know we both came from someplace very hard and we arrived at the same point and now we continue together on a smooth course with peace.
 
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July 28, 2007, 1:42 pm PDT

melissa desreves to do jail time and more

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 Who does she think she is???? I have an adopted sister and I bet if my parents had been denied that baby, there would have been a lot of explaining to do, not to mention all the heartache that would have ensued! I just think that that is a terrible thing to do to someone whose wanting a baby so badly that for different reasons, can't have one of their own! And all for her own gain?? Because as she said, she wants to feel special to someone, it is completely selfish of her!

And I've never been through anything like this, but I can only imagine how difficult it would be to be those parents anticipating a new baby. I'm sorry for all the heartache that she has put them through!

For her to deny them an opportunity to see her, to talk to her and have their time, is terrible! These three women, anticipating the child that never existed, have a right to be upset, to be angry for the agony that "Bella" has put them through! It's all for her own selfish gain, "bella" is on a power trip for sure!


I feel like melissa is on a serious power trip, all the time she was at the Dr. Phil show, she made sure to try to make people feel sorry for her. I feel like the time that she started crying after Dr. Phil had gonne back out to talk to the three women was just a ploy to put hte focus back on her, instead of a show of remorse as she would like us to believe. She showed almost no remorse for the things that she has put these three women through.  Her not apologizing to Jen and Marie was just another way for her to maintain her sense of power over them.  I feel like she really doesn't care about anyone but herself and that if she hadn't gotten caught, she would be doing the same thing to another victim right now.  I want to say that I feel disgusted by her lack of empathy for her victims and I hope that she gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Maybe that will teach her that there are consequrnces for her actions. 

 

To hte three women who appeared on the show,  I applaud you for being brave enough to share your pain with all of us viewers, and I know it was hard for you to go there and come away with not many answers.  I want to say that you are all very dignified, classy, and deserving of a special child in your life.  I wish all of you the best of luck and want you to know that my prayers are with you.

 
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July 30, 2007, 1:47 am PDT

adoption

I'M SO UPSET AFTER WATCHING MYLISSA AND HEARING ABOUY THE SCAMS,LIES AND THE HURT AND PAIN SHE INFLICTED ON THESE WOMEN.WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS.TOO BAD SHE CAN'T BE ARRESTED AND BURIED UNDER THE JAIL.THAT STILL WOULD BE TOO GOOD FOR HER.SHE WILL GET WHAT SHE DESERVES.I HOPE ITS A LOT SOONER BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.SHE IS LYING & CONTROLLING.I WOULD LIKE TO GO AT HER.BUT OF COURSE I.M FROM TEXAS
 
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