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Topic : 03/01 Sudden Fame

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Created on : Friday, February 23, 2007, 02:16:13 pm
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Do you wish the whole world knew your name? Do you wonder how it would feel to stroll down the red carpet or have the paparazzi waiting for you as you walked out of a restaurant? Jennifer recently auditioned for American Idol, but didn’t make the final cut to go to Hollywood. She thinks about her failed performance every day, and says Simon Cowell crushed her dreams. Will she be able to regain her confidence when she performs on the show? Then, Elizabeth says she’s determined to make her 9-year-old daughter famous. Her sister, Priscilla, says her niece is too heavy and doesn’t have the talent to make it. Is Elizabeth setting her daughter up for failure, or should Priscilla mind her own business? Plus, Taylor Hicks went from virtual obscurity to instant fame …all with the help of 64 million American Idol viewers. Don’t miss Taylor’s riveting performance, talk about the show here!

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March 2, 2007, 10:28 am PST

03/01 Sudden Fame

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Regardless of whether that kid has talent or not, it is just wrong for Dr. Phil to say that the mom is living through her kid.  There are many famous "child actors" on TV and in movies whose parents have "helped" them get where they are today.  A child cannot find an agent and pay for classes, so parents have to help them.  It takes tons of hard work and dedication. 

 

Isn't it our job as parents to assist our children with obtaining their dreams?  It is no different from saving for college so they can become a scientist!  I believe parents should help their children to make their dreams come true. 

 

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

 

 

And how many stories do you hear of child stars who either hate their parents for pushing them into a world they were not prepared to deal with?  And those who say the same parents or relatives took advantage of them and/or the money they earned?  Gary Coleman, remember him?

 

Parents should support their children, it's true.  But they also need to consider their children best interests.  Give them a happy, well adjusted childhood, teach them good values, stress the importance of a good education. Give them opportunities to experience a wide range of choices so that the child can decide what they really want to do.

 

When a mother like Priscilla constantly tries to give her daughter everything she wants, she really not doing her any favors.  Already that kid must believe that her needs come ahead of those of her brothers or sisters.  And Priscilla keeps reinforcing that the girl is special, not everyone else in the world is going to agree or treat her that way.  This girl  and her mother needs a reality check; she's not that talented and headed for a great deal of disaapointment if they keep heading down this road. 

 

The best thing Priscilla can do is give all of her children love and balance in their lives. 

 
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March 2, 2007, 12:01 pm PST

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Personally, I can't stand "American Idol".  It's great if you're one of the ones that _can_ sing, but I think it's mean that they obviously keep some people in the running so they can show the world just how badly they _cannot_ sing.  I don't know why anyone would want to watch someone else being humiliated like that for entertainment.  Constructive criticism in a businesslike manner is one thing; insulting and demeaning someone is juvenile.

 

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That said, I don't want to be famous and even if I did, it wouldn't be for singing (well, not for singing well, at least), but I wouldn't let a knock-down by Simon Cowell stop me if  I did.  "American Idol" is looking for pop stars--they pretty much want a specific look, sound, and style (if Taylor Hicks' gray hair was enough to make him controversial, you know how narrow the focus is on type).  There are lots of excellent singing stars--people who have made it--who wouldn't last ten seconds on American Idol for whatever reason--they don't have classically beautiful features, voices, or stage demeanors.  Not only do I think that's OK, I think it's GREAT.  Imagine how boring music would be if everyone sounded alike.

 

So, to the girl who tried out on American Idol--good for you.  I wouldn't have had the nerve or the ability even to _think_ of doing that.  So what if you had a bad day or he didn't like you?  Keep working and find your niche.  (Look, it got you on Dr. Phil, right?  That's publicity.)

 
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March 2, 2007, 12:12 pm PST

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I recorded the show today and just started watching it. I'm only in the first segment with the girl crying about not making it on American Idol. She's obviously very upset but I can't help but think to myself, "Get over it". I know that's insensitive but I find myself almost a little annoyed with her and here's why:

 

Today is my birthday, which also happens to be my dad's birthday. I'm 31 and he would have been 55. He died a few years ago, right around Christmas. I actually spent Christmas Eve in a funeral parlor, prepping his body and setting up his funeral. I used to love Christmas but now I associate it with my father's death which was tragic and unexpected. My birthday is also tainted now. It's something I used to share with him, it was special to have been born on my dad's birthday. In addition to that, I have a chronic health condition that causes me daily pain that I have to manage with medication and rest. It has been life altering and in fact, I just got back from one of my many doctors appt.'s. For some reason though, I didn't feel sorry for myself today. I got up and went to work and enjoyed my day. I'm home now and have my Dr. Phil to watch, as well as an Oprah waiting for me. I've got my cute little dog to cuddle with and later on, my husband and I will have dinner together and relax. You know what else? I deck out my house now at Christmas time and make fudge for everyone in my family. I send out packages and really get into the spirit of things. That doesn't mean that I'm not sad about what I've lost. I've got to keep living my life though, and creating some new memories for how I want my holidays and birthdays to be.

 

I hope this gives that woman some perspective about her loss and missed opportunity with Paula Abdul. I understand her pain and know what it's like to lose something that's special. When you count on someone being there, it can be tragic when they're not. I can only imagine the heartbreak when Paula wasn't there on the panel to judge her. By the way she told the story, it sounded so much worse than the night I got the call that my dad had died in his bed. 

 

OK... I'm being sarcastic now and I'll stop. I really don't mean to be mean to this person, but come on now! You didn't lose a person in your life, you haven't lost your health. I hate to see what happens to this fragile creature when a real problem hits or something worthy of that kind of response actually happens. 

 

I'll go back and watch the rest of the show now.   

People, give the girl a break.  Just because she doesn't have any "real pain", as you seem to consider it, in her life right now doesn't mean she won't tomorrow, or that she hasn't in the past, or anything else.  You don't know her life story, and it's none of your business.  Apart from the fact that she was probably nervous about being on the show, she is allowed to feel disappointed, embarrassed, and shaken.  She seemed to perk up a bit at the end and she'll have it back in perspective soon enough.  Cut her some slack.  People react differently.  If it had been me, I would have been humiliated inwardly but stone cold on the outside; you would think I didn't care at all.  It's just the way I am.

 

Frankly, I don't even know why it's necessary to bring up things like this except to kick her while she's down; this is clearly in a much different league and has nothing at all to do with the relatively minor "tragedy" of missing her shot on _Idol_.  If you want to post something so bitter, at least pick a more appropriate comparison like yesterday's show, to be fair.  Everyone is going to lose someone at some point so the fact that it hasn't happened YET doesn't mean it never will.  It will.  We'll all be in this position sooner than we want.  What are YOU doing to heal your pain, other than mocking others' disappointments? 

 
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March 2, 2007, 1:37 pm PST

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I wouldn't say that all parents are pushy but, I know, for a fact that some are. My mother wasn't one of them, but I went to one of Australia's top acting schools for children, when I was in my teens. (not teenager now lol).

 

When people think, pushy parents, they think of acting, singing and dancing etc., etc.. What about Martina Hingis????What about those kids are given 2 options, "when you grow up you have to be a doctor or a lawyer"? What about those kids who are made to feel bad, because they're not good at maths? 

 

Whatever, career a parent is pushing there kids into, it all comes down to the parents self esteem isssues, and how they felt about themselves growing up.

 

If a child genuinely has talent (and I've seen alot that don't), and the parents agree to let them pursue that path, then give them the run down on the hours they'd have to work, the pressure and expectations. Let them start small. If they still want to do it, then let them (within reason- don't tell them that they will be better people for it). Don't treat your kids like a new Mercedes, just purchased for "show off" value. Don't think it will be a problem solver either.

 

If your kids don't have talent and you're pushing them for your own ego's sake, then they will end up hating you. If you don't like them for who they are, they will resent you.

 

We weren't all made to be rocket scientists, pop stars or movie stars (or doctors and lawyers).  Encourage your kids to be, who they are meant to be and your relationship will be worth more than gold.

 

If they're not exceptional at school, but they're good at manual stuff, don't forget tradespeople. They earn good money and something always needs to be built or unblocked. I haven't met a poor plumber/ electrician.

 

By they way.........no I didn't pursue an acting career, I'm a qualified Medical Laboratory assistant, which was my choosing. My current job, is stay-at-home mum which I love to bits........it's the best job, I've ever had. Though, I tested as having an IQ in the 99th percentile lol.

 
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March 2, 2007, 2:33 pm PST

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Thank you so much! Your post really means a lot to me. I wish you all the luck and success in the world! My students were shown on the show today, and I just know that will be a thrill to them. They were so excited when school let out today, and just knowing that I helped put that excitement into their lives is really rewarding! They were some of my biggest supporters during and after American Idol.

 

The Dr. Phil show chose "Amazing Grace" for me, because it's a free song that you don't have to have copyrights for. I wouldn't have picked it for myself, but I was willing to go along with their choice. It's unfortunate that I was so nervous...I could hear my voice shaking like a leaf. No matter what, though, I truly enjoyed it and am still so thankful for that opportunity!

Jennifer, you are also obviously a star in the lives of your students. As a teacher myself, I know how beautiful that feeling can be.  We don't have to worry about the rest of the world, do we? What's more important--having a stranger say, "Wow. Her song momentarily made me feel good" or have one of your former students say, "Jennifer's caring made a difference in who I am today." Take care.
 

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March 2, 2007, 6:14 pm PST

Not just glamor

I have such a problem with these people who think being "famous" is just about glamour. There is so much work behind the scenes that many could not handle. The industry does not care about you as a person. If you attempt to do things your way the industry will find someone else who will do exactly what they want. Sometimes they will even try to bring you down so you look bad in the public eye. Being in fights with record labels is common, but the public does not know about it. Everything in your life is set up by others. They choose your schedule, what you can say, songs you sing, etc. Being "famous" is not all it is made out to be. Media only lets us see the good side of fame.
 
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March 2, 2007, 8:53 pm PST

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Quote From: kleesun

Personally, I can't stand "American Idol".  It's great if you're one of the ones that _can_ sing, but I think it's mean that they obviously keep some people in the running so they can show the world just how badly they _cannot_ sing.  I don't know why anyone would want to watch someone else being humiliated like that for entertainment.  Constructive criticism in a businesslike manner is one thing; insulting and demeaning someone is juvenile.

 

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That said, I don't want to be famous and even if I did, it wouldn't be for singing (well, not for singing well, at least), but I wouldn't let a knock-down by Simon Cowell stop me if  I did.  "American Idol" is looking for pop stars--they pretty much want a specific look, sound, and style (if Taylor Hicks' gray hair was enough to make him controversial, you know how narrow the focus is on type).  There are lots of excellent singing stars--people who have made it--who wouldn't last ten seconds on American Idol for whatever reason--they don't have classically beautiful features, voices, or stage demeanors.  Not only do I think that's OK, I think it's GREAT.  Imagine how boring music would be if everyone sounded alike.

 

So, to the girl who tried out on American Idol--good for you.  I wouldn't have had the nerve or the ability even to _think_ of doing that.  So what if you had a bad day or he didn't like you?  Keep working and find your niche.  (Look, it got you on Dr. Phil, right?  That's publicity.)

"American Idol" is looking for pop stars--they pretty much want a specific look, sound, and style (if Taylor Hicks' gray hair was enough to make him controversial, you know how narrow the focus is on type)."

Do you even know who the winners of American Idol have been? They are hardly all pretty and perfect and alike!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Idol
 
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March 3, 2007, 12:16 am PST

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I WATCH AMERICAN IDOL I WON'T TRYOUT FOR THE SHOW BECAUSE I'M NOT A GOOD SINGER I JUST WATCH FOR FUN:)

 
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March 3, 2007, 3:13 am PST

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Someone got their feelings hurt.  Talent is SOOO subjective.  My OPINION that Simon doesn't know talent is based on what I like...ergo I'm correct.  I don't think the people that win these things are talented.  Don't like Fantasia's voice, it's too nasal for me.  Just because you started a record company doesn't mean you know what or who will be popular.  Their responses are trite and predictable and the kind of "talent" they like is boring.  So don't go off on me because you're so in love with the judges.

I wasn't going off on you.  And you didn't hurt my feelings, rudness never does.

 

I was simply stating that you cannot say that Randy and Simon can't recognize talent based on your opinion.  You're correct, starting a record company doesn't mean you know talent.  Starting  a record company that is eventually worth $84 million dollars probably does.

 

I don't like pop music which is what this show is based on.  So, I, too, dislike the kind of musicians they are lookning for, but I wouldn't  disparage some one based on my opinion.  For instance, I HATE, hate, hate country music.  BUT I would never say that the millions of people who listen to country music are stupid and don't know talent.  I just say they have different taste from mine.

 

 Are you saying that any artist or musican that you don't like isn't talented?   You are the arbiter of talent?  Instead of saying that they don't know anything, wouldn't it have been better to say you don't agree with them?  I hate the way the anonymity of these message boards allows people to be nasty, don't you?

 
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March 3, 2007, 3:33 am PST

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Quote From: flrat69

They want the show to be successful?  Of course.  There is nothing noble about that.  It's about them making money at the expense of others.  It's a dog and pony show people can't resist.  If it were the 1800s, this would be a show of side show freaks.  P.T. Barnum was right.  There is a sucker born every minute.

There is nothing ignobe, in and of itself,  about making money.

 

Much of A.I.  is about sideshow freaks. Freaks have replaced clowns in the circus of the media.  But these are voluntary freaks, who stood in line for hours for the chance to be freaks. Often they stood in line in the wind and rain and snow or drove great distances for the chance to be freaks.  I don't feel sorry for them. 

 

I only watch American Idol during the auditioning process.  If this were the 100s and we were in Rome, I would be part of the crowd at the coliseum.  I don't think that makes me a sucker, I think it makes me human. 

 

I don't like Pop music.  They are looking for Pop musicians, so I don't watch past the point they weed out the freaks.    However, many of the finalists have gone on to various measures of success, so the show is doing some musicians some good.  I believe it gives people a chance they might not have had before. 

 

 
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