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Topic : 08/03 Caught in the Act

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Created on : Friday, February 23, 2007, 02:18:10 pm
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(Original Air Date: 03/02/07) Do you live on the edge without thinking about the consequences? Dr. Phil's first guest made headlines across America. Crowned Miss Nevada in October 2006, Katie Rees was dethroned two months later when pictures of her in compromising positions surfaced. Why does she say her punishment was unfair? Then, David admits that he used to sneak out of the house in the middle of the night to have sex with another woman while his wife, Sara, slept. He got away with it for a while, until Sara woke up and went knocking on the other woman's door, catching David with his pants down. Should Sara give David another chance, or is David not ready to make a change? Dr. Phil has some tough questions for him. And, Kendra, 26, has been shoplifting since she was 9 years old. She's been to jail once and is currently on probation, but says she just can't stop stealing. You won't believe who taught her how to do this! Dr. Phil has a strong warning for this mother of three. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 5, 2007, 8:17 am PST

Too General

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I love how people say I did this, but it is not who I am.  Well then who exactly was it?  Some imposter look alike?  If that is how you act then it is who you are.  I know everyone makes mistakes, but to say it is not who I am is a cop out
If I accept your premise, then I have to accept that no one ever does things out of character for them.  That isn't a cop out.  Justifying it that way is.
 
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March 5, 2007, 8:22 am PST

So Right

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surprisingly enough I have to agree with you on this one.  My fiance is of the opinion that "fake" women are not at all atractive. and I have to agree.  anyone with money can look like that.  "REAL" woman dont need all that artificial crap!!!  Real men want and appreciate REA L woman
I agree completely.  I especially hate those injections they get to fatten there lips.  Where did that come from?  I don't care for cookie cutter women.  Being yourself does more for a woman than all the plastic surgeons in California.
 

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March 5, 2007, 8:59 am PST

Regardling Kendra & her mother, Erica.

I have to disagree with Dr. Phil on this one. It was wrong for Erica to do as she did. But once Kendra became aware it was wrong to steal, as an adult the responsibility is hers alone.

 

I get the "personality DNA" comment. although it sounds an awful lot like psycho-mumbo-jumbo & a bit like an excuse. I get that that was what she was taught at a young age. I get that she had to be taught truly that it was wrong to do that. The multiple arrests taught her that, if nothing else did. But Kendra is not a young child anymore. She's an adult & despite her knowledge that it's wrong & illegal to steal, she is now choosing to do it. It's her responsibility alone, now.

 

 

 

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March 5, 2007, 9:06 am PST

03/02 Caught in the Act

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This is a perfect example of how morality and accountability in this country has deteriorated over the past few decades.  Kids today so often come across as having a sense of entitlement without work, and choices without consequences.  I place much of the blame for that squarely on the shoulders of their parents.  And as person that works hard at being a good parent it makes the job that much more difficult when other parents are actually trying to be their kids best friend.

 

Here is a young lady that has been blessed with so much and she abuses it with this behavior.  Not only the behavior from three years ago but today with her lame excuses for what she did.   After watching the entire show it is obvious that Katie really sees nothing wrong with what she did then or now. 

 

Regardless of  whether she was 17 or 19 when this happened I have to wonder what her parents did or did not do for her when they raised her to make her think this behavior was okay because she wasnt hurting anybody.  What she did not realize at the time was she was actually hurting herself, and now she has hurt the pageant and any girls that would have been in a position to put her in the place of a role model.  

 

I saw a beautiful young lady under all that eye makeup and with more clothing on I am sure she would still be considered very beautiful without flaunting it.   I am a father of two girls and had they ever done anything like this their behavior would have been addressed.      

I totally agree. I also think the notion of "no one can judge me" has encouraged many to not consider the real consequences of their actions as well.
 

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March 5, 2007, 9:40 am PST

Well put...

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Justifications for immoral conduct caught on film:

 

Miss Universe messed up and got a 2nd chance and so should I

I was young and stupid

It was all in good fun, noone got hurt

It was noone elses' business

I didn't know that I signed a contract

Everyone has skeletons in their closet

It was only one time

If it were a man, it wouldn't be a big deal

This is not who I really am

I am not a role model

 

The problem is that women are actually believing these justifications cancel out bad decisions!  It's completely unrealistic and nonsensical.   It's those pesky justifications that perpetuate these self-destructive behaviors by young women!  Those are things you get to tell your parents or friends or boyfriend...  people that know you well and can judge for themselves whether it's really "you" or not.  But for any stranger looking on, that is exactly who you are, and if you want them to think differently then you make different choices...  you don't excuse bad choices and pout and whine and say how unfair life is. 

 

Hello.  News flash: Life Is Unfair!  But life is also pretty predictable.  Life is all about consequences.  Everyone deals with consequences: good, bad, or indifferent... some that you can predict and some that you can't.  We've all made bad choices and we all live with the consequences.  (Even all the Parises and Britneys, whether we see it or not.)

 

I close with the most honest statement out of Katie's mouth, whether she knows it or not:

"Hey, if you got it, flaunt it."  Right now, that's the real choice she's making... she just doesn't want to be judged negatively based on that choice.  It's where the majority of girls in this country are stuck nowadays:  wanting both wild and crazy fun without the negative consequences.  Oh well...  good luck with that strategy.  I think you're just borrowing trouble though.

And true.
 

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March 5, 2007, 9:45 am PST

03/02 Caught in the Act

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Miss Nevada was dethroned around the same time Miss USA went into rehab.  It was  sort of a campaign to make an example of what not to do.  When you win these prestigious titles, you have a responsibility to role model the ideal woman (smart, beautiful, and ethical) to girls.  I know some of these cameramen will get girls drunk and them have them pose in uncompromising positions and then post it on the internet.  That should be a criminal offense, but how would you know what someone's state of mind was when they signed a release form?  So now you tell them not to be victims, and how do you know what was done willingly?  That's the price of being in the limelight, you have to have this constant paranoia about who youre around and what you exude.

Miss Nevada was dethroned around the same time Miss USA went into rehab.  It was  sort of a campaign to make an example of what not to do. 

 

OMGosh! I truly thought they were one-in-the-same, lol! I guess even that ploy for attention didn't work. At least not for me.

 
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March 5, 2007, 12:31 pm PST

"The Anatomy of Love"

This is a great book by a biological anthropologist, and I invite all women to read it to learn how men's minds REALLY work (mostly the little mind, hehe)...

 

Men and women are DIFFERENT; their bodies are different, their brains are (biochemically/hormonally) different, and they see things differently; mostly...

 

SEX; to women, it's an act of love that results (chemically) in bonding to the love object; to the men, it's (listen up, ladies) JUST SEX...

 

"Cheating" doesn't mean they love the woman, it just means they WANTED SEX...

 

Men NEED sex...  Ladies, don't have your 2.5 children and then decide your done with sex and expect your man to remain monogamous.  If you're pregnant and don't want sex or tired from nursing and don't want sex or just don't want sex, EXPECT your man to get it elsewhere unless he's really undesirable or really, really morally upstanding; there are too many temptations out there and too many women more than happy to provide what he needs and you can't or won't.

Any woman who cuts a man off and expects him to live a celibate life these days is in lala land.

 

This guy enjoys variety (all men do, but some value marriage more) and shouldn't be married.

He's wrong to want it all (trophy wife, family, variety) and lie to get it, but not for just being a man.

 

And, yes, I am a woman.

 

 

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March 5, 2007, 12:52 pm PST

03/02 Caught in the Act

I don't ever see this guy changing.  He cheats because he wants to, then whines and tries to lie his way out when Dr. Phil turns the spotlight on his wrongdoings?????  Grow up and be a man, for God's sake!  Your wife and child deserve so much better than this!!!!  If you want to be a player, you should never, ever, EVER get married or date anyone better than a hooker, because women want honest, faithful partners, not lying, arrogant, philandering, smug dogs!
 
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March 5, 2007, 1:08 pm PST

The other side of "Anatomy"...

According to this study of the sexes, the flip side of men choosing women for their looks (they're unconsciously drawn to "good breeders" -- that is, women with a small waist, full hips, clear skin, shiny hair, good teeth, and  YOUNG AGE -- even if they don't consciously want children) is women subconsciously -- or maybe consciously -- choosing men who are deemed to be "good providers"...  Like David, the rich attorney!!!  His wife is obviously, at least by now, very well aware of what's going on here, yet chooses to stay and try to "fix things"; why?  Could have something to do with the lifestyle he provides; she's certainly able to raise her kids in comfort with his salary and, if not that, his alimony and child support payments?  David said himself he wasn't big on monogomy and never was; isn't it just possible his wife knew this going into it but chose to marry him anyway because the lifestyle was so tempting?  I think they're both on the show to do damage control when it comes divorce time.  Now it's just a matter who gets the most money...

 

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March 5, 2007, 1:13 pm PST

03/02 Caught in the Act

Quote From: mykelspage

This action is something I will never be able to understand. If you love someone, you don't cheat! It's just that simple!! I have been in love before, and when I am in love cheating never even comes to mind. When I am with her or not with her, she is the only woman who exsists in my eyes. If you love seomone, you dont cheat. PERIOD. Yes it IS just THAT simple. Drop dead deal breakers! Cheating is at the top of my list. Once you lose the trust, the relationship is over. I dont believe there is any way you can bounce back from this. If you like to have multiple partners, be upfront, and honest always! How can these cheater do so without a conscience? Lack of EMPATHY!!!! Kick him to the curb! Find a good man who is honest!

I couldn't agree more!  I was in a relationship in which he cheated on me multiple times with many girls, mostly emotinally, and some sexually.  I finally left him for good and got my divorce, but am still very messed up on the inside from what he did. I wish I had left forever when he cheated the first time while dating, but he snaked his way and messed with my mind enough to convince me he'd "never do it again", and that "he loved me more than life itself."  The lies were endless, but I was young and  in love, and I stupidly believed him.  Now I am paying a heavy price for his sins, mentally, physically, and emotionally, while he got away with everything by lying and destroying my reputation and damaging relationships within  my family in the processI agree that once trust is broken, you cannot repair it.  The scars most often never fully fade, and sometimes the wounds never really heal. 

 

Cheaters should just stay to their own kind and stop hurting those of us that value and have  honesty, faithfulness, and morals in a relationship and in life.  If they want to cheat around, another player or a hooker would be the best mate for them, since they obviously don't care for morals or being treated right in a relationship.

 
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