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Topic : 05/31 "I Hate This Marriage"

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Created on : Friday, March 16, 2007, 10:16:56 am
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(Original Air Date: 3/20/07) With a 50 percent divorce rate in America, do people getting married think that signing on the line will make their relationship better? Karrie's husband of 10 years, Ben, cheated on her with an ex-girlfriend and is so obsessed with strippers and pornography that he has lost jobs and dragged them into thousands of dollars of debt. Ben admits to being a sex addict, but says he doesn't know how to stop acting out. Is Ben the only one to blame for their crumbling marriage, or did Karrie set up their union for disaster? Then, Sean and Defina have only been married for two months, but she has already caught him cheating twice. She is now consumed with checking his cell phone, looking in his car and even smelling his pants to see if he's been with another woman. Is Sean ready to make a change, or should Defina get out now? Can these couples learn to love their spouses and be happy in their marriages? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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March 22, 2007, 7:58 am PDT

I agree DR. PHIL you have the POWER!

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I sat watching this show with so much hope.  This was Dr. Phil's chance to help millions of women.  The woman told my story...the children, the 10 year marriage, the insanity...and then I waited, full of hope for Dr. Phil.  AND I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED.  I heard him say, "what were you thinking??"  in a way that I make up was shaming, to a woman in a disease full of shame, a disease that keeps us keeping the secrets. 

 

This is what I was hoping for.  Words like "s-anon", co-dependent, co-addict.  Sentences that would say something like, "it would make sense that you stayed in it, you were probably groomed since you were a little girl to accept unacceptable behavior".   I wanted to hear the checklist for how she qualifies for s-anon, such as her belief that "sex was the greatest sign of love", and how she mistook "intensity for intimacy".  I'll bet she was raised in a family that was full of family secrets, and until people like Dr. Phil get the message out that this is a real disease, and women need to trust their intuition (which women like us were taught not to)...we don't know there is help and hope out there.  And there is HELP and there is HOPE. 

 

Dr. Phil, send this woman to www.bethesdaworkshops.org .  Marnie Ferree is an angel from God, and what an amazing place to begin her journey of recovery.  Have her look up www.sanon.org and see how she qualifies.  Tell her about Dr. Patrick Carnes and learn about the betrayal bond.  Tell her about Imago workshops, so she can learn about the patterns in her life and begin to heal her abandonment issues.  You can do it Dr. Phil.  Help her pour the shame back into where it belongs.  It doesn't belong with her.

I know all about the books and places you have talked about.....and they are a GREAT help!

Again Dr. Phil you have the POWER to make a difference to the WOMEN and MEN out there!

DO YOU HEAR OUR CRY FOR HELP! 

 
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March 22, 2007, 8:00 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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You say "these men" who claim to be sex addicts, but I have news for you. Women can and are sexual addicts just as much as men are. This show in particular only focused on men, but believe me, the women who suffer sexual addiction are out there in force.

Yes, those who suffer from any form of addiction are in serious inner pain. I can't believe you don't even attempt to understand. And yes, the family also suffers. But I believe for a great many of the sexual addicts out there its not about desires, its about trying desperatly to fill a deep dark hole inside themselves to make them feel like they are human, that they exist, that they are worthy of love. True this is not the actual way to get love and compassion, but when your sick inside and addicted to a specific pattern of behaviors, you can't seem to break free from the same set of behaviors. Whether its eating at the same fast food restaurant everyday, and crying in the car while berating yourself for overeating, whether its going to seedy sex shops and masturbating in a booth while your wife waits at home wondering where you are ( and you know she is, but you can't stop doing it), wether its an  drug addict grabbing a quick snort in the restroom at work during lunch break, hoping no one will walk in and find them....its all the same underlying issue. Some how at some point, an addictive tendency was let into their lives. They aren't being fulfilled emotionally, or physically or whatever, and instead of addressing the true deep issues,  they continue to do the addiction.

I know because I suffer from a few different addiction myself. I know that its destroying my life, and that its only a matter of time before I get caught. I've tried to stop, managed a few months, but I find myself doing other things that are just as bad to fill that gap. The only way to healing is to lay in God's hands, to accept the responsibility for my own actions and to try to move on in my life. I'm nowhere near  healed yet, but I know about the pain and the denial and the shame.

"Yes, those who suffer from any form of addiction are in serious inner pain. I can't believe you don't even attempt to understand."

 

I do understand - addiction is a real thing.  I just don't have much sympathy for someone who continues to deal with their inner pain in ways that are destructive, not only to themselves, but to their families, and especially their children. 

 

I reserve my sympathy for those who deserve it - the innocent children who lives are wrecked by their parents choices - these kids blame THEMSELVES when their parents do the wrong thing.  "If I was a better kid, my mom or dad would love me enough no to do this".   I also have great sympathy for people like search4truth - a faithful wife for 20 years, and her reward was a dose of herpes. 

 

If a person has a substance problem, whatever it is, it is their responsibility to DEAL with it, not continue to do it and then cry for sympathy because it's so hard to stop.  I have GREAT respect for anyone who has the courage to face their problems and do something about them.  I have NO respect for those who seem willing to move heaven and earth to find ways to continue down their destructive path, making excuses all the while about why they "can't" change.

 
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March 22, 2007, 11:30 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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The first step you took is that you know the SHAME you are doing to you and your family!

Please try to seek out some help for yourself.......Don't hurt your love ones any more!

I wish you luck!

Actually I'm single, and live alone so I dont have to worry about the shame affecting family, husband or children. I suppose that also makes it harder for me to seek out help. Because I keep telling myself that I am only hurting myself, and so many parts of society don't even see it as an issue. Its considered socially acceptable by most, at least to some degree, probably not to the extent I abuse it.

I acknowledge that I have chosen to do behaviors that are negativly affecting my daily mental wellbeing and my life. I know that at some point I need to make that choice to seek help, and be commited to overcoming these addictions. I'm just not at that point yet, I don't think. I can only pray about it, and wait until I am ready for help.

 
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March 22, 2007, 11:38 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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I cried through most of the show because I am dealing with a similar situation.  I don't think it got (or has gotten yet) to their point (paying for strippers and sleeping around) but I'm scared to death that it will lead to that if he doesn't get help.  I actually found out about my husbands addiction to porn one week before I was scheduled give birth to our twins.  I can't even describe my feelings from then on.  This was a total shocker to me and has ruined me in so many ways after that day.  He begged and cried that he would not do it again and he seemed so sincere.  I never got over it but I gave him another chance.  Well, exactly one year later I caught him with porn again.  I packed some backs and was about to leave and that's when he had a breakdown and said that he would get help or do whatever it took for me to stay.  Well, he took one baby step and started going to church but that didn't last long.  I know he still needs help but don't know where to start and I know I need help too because I am more and more depressed everyday. :(  So, watching this show truely hit home.

I am so sorry to hear about your and your husbands situation. At this point, you can only do one thing, get help for yourself. I think one of the other posters on here has written about al-anon or similar groups for those who live with addicts.

 I really think that just for your mental well being, you should see a counselor or a support group. Don't let what happened to those couples happen to you. You have a right to stand up and make a choice. And you have the right to seek help dealing with this until you make that choice. There are many support groups and books, that will help you be strong enough to make the right one for you and your twins. 

 
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March 22, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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Your post was well thought through.  I agree about the testing, especially where the children are concerned.

Aww, thanks! You boosted me when I could really use it!  :)

Its really hard to read all these stories on here, and know that aside from speaking from past experiences and urging others to get help, there isn't anything I can do to help them.

I'm not a trained pro, I'm just a jane doe, but occasionally I have good opinions and maybe good advice.

Thanks again, you brightened my day!  :) :)

 

 
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March 22, 2007, 11:44 am PDT

in reference to OldIronSides

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My only question is whether you know him personally.  No offense is intended there.  You just seem to imply inside knowledge.

Your message here is to oldironsides, but based on the previous posts from this user I would hazard a guess that he is the man from the first part of the show or someone posing as him?

 

 

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The man has been evaulated by more than one professional and it was recommended that he seek in patient treatment for sex addiction.  He was also sexually addicted before he met his wife, she just fed the addiction until she decided to go a different path.  The credit cards are gone and there are no joint accounts.  My only question is whether you know him personally.  No offense is intended there.  You just seem to imply inside knowledge.
 
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March 22, 2007, 11:45 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

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My only question is whether you know him personally.  No offense is intended there.  You just seem to imply inside knowledge.
yes, i do
 
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March 22, 2007, 11:50 am PDT

03/20 "I Hate This Marriage"

Quote From: search4truth

I know all about the books and places you have talked about.....and they are a GREAT help!

Again Dr. Phil you have the POWER to make a difference to the WOMEN and MEN out there!

DO YOU HEAR OUR CRY FOR HELP! 

I don't think that Dr. Phil personally has the time to read each and every message on these boards. I know I am writing 10 a day minimum, so there must be many hundreds of messages posted on his boards daily about a great number of different topics and shows. I do hope that the moderators and the staff that work behind the scenes to keep these boards up and running do take the time to read these, and maybe pass on that the people of america have some deep concerns about our children, the rampant immorality and about the future.
 
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March 22, 2007, 12:57 pm PDT

HOW did I attack you??? I am married to a SEX ADDICT TOO!

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I AM MARRIED TO A SEX ADDICT!!!!!! I KNOW THAT THEY CAN CHANGE! It sounds like you are still angry and how good can your marriage be if you can't forgive him.

 

I never attacked you!!! I dont know why you attacked me. I have belonged to a support group for wifes of sex addicts and I have never been filled with so much anger as I have been filled with the two days I have participated in this message board with people who have no business putting in their two cents.

 

If you were supportive you wouldn't attack me.

I to have belonged to support groups for sex addicts. I'M in THE SAME BOAT AS YOU!!!!

HOW IS THAT ATTACKING YOU?????? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING????

I have plenty of business putting MY 2 cents in I LIVE IT EVERY DAY!

 
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March 23, 2007, 12:22 am PDT

painful at first, not so bad anymore

After a few months, I found out my boyfriend  liked porn. I had a hard time dealing with the fact that beside that issue, we had a great time together!

 

 I had to change how I felt about porn because I couldn't let one thing destroy the wonderful thing we had. Goodness knows I am a difficult person and he, unlike others, was willing to put up with my life challenges. So I had to with some of his.

 

7 years later, and married with a child, I I find that the only time I am bothered by him looking at porn is when I am hormonal and feeling insecure with myself (like after eating something bad and feeling bloated at night. etc.). But  when I have been taking care of myself, doing the best that I can,and walking around proud- that stuff doesn't bother me!!!

 

Thank goodness science has helped me understand the differences between men and women's brains. Guys are just wired that way and seek the pleasures of what dopamine delivers- and unfortunately I don't have enough novelty and energy to do so.

 

Somehow, I see it as being healthy for my man to do what he does (of course he isn't on it for hours on end, he doesn;t have us in debt over it, or chats to other women- he only sees clips and reads stories.

 

 i couldn't imagine him or any other man in that matter  trying to store up natural emotions/hormones, it;s like telling me to stop PMSing!!! Sorry, I have tried and tried and tried and nothing completely gets rid of the monthly roller coaster ride! 

 

It took a RADICAL but slow shift in my thinking to see that it actually makes my man healthier (I had to start thinking of it as a natural process as other primitive behaviors such as eating, sleeping, elliminating...) It took months for me to realize that I didn't have the desires like I once did and he did.WHy should he have to shift his level of desire just because I felt it's more important to get the chores done? That was the hardest thing- giving up control of everything around me. It's still one of my life challenges....

 

Painful at first, but tolerable now....

 

K

 
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