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Created on : Thursday, March 29, 2007, 12:43:09 pm
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What happens when family members take sides … against each other? Steven Jr. has been accused by his stepmother, Pam, and his stepsister, Tashika, of molesting Tashika's then 3-year-old daughter. Steven Jr. says there's no way he would ever commit such a sick act against a child. His father, Steve, says he believes his son, and the allegations are destroying his marriage and their family. In order to prove his innocence, Steven Jr. agrees to take a polygraph exam. After two hours of testing, will the truth be revealed? Find out the surprising results. And, why does Steven Jr. believe that his family is alleging he committed this crime and turning their backs on him? Will this family get the answers they are looking for and be able to move forward? Talk about the show here.

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April 5, 2007, 12:43 pm PDT

04/04 Did He or Didn't He?

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so true. after every show that addresses any kind of gay/trans/gender issue, these message boards turn into religious/moral debate, and EVERY time, without fail, someone brings up pedophiles..."well if we let the gays do what they want, then we'll have to let the pedophiles do what they want too...we must draw the line now!!" I've never figured out how a consensual adult relationship and a nonconsensual abusive relationship are similar, but it comes up EVERY time. Pedophilia is not related in any way to adult porn, homosexuality, fetishes, gender issues etc. if anything, it's related to being abused as a child and not being believed/kept safe!

 

kay, done ranting.

I was raised to think that homosexuality and pedophilia were "sins"...and I was never given anything much more than that. I didn't think more deeply about it until I was an adult, and I fear many people just never do think more deeply about it. I wish they would...it cuts deep to have a healthy, loving homosexual relationship compared to sick and vile child abuse.
 
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April 5, 2007, 12:44 pm PDT

Apology

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ok...that was an odd response. If you watch the show again, dr. phil briefly mentioned that there were two other allegations from two other family members in the past, whom I dont think he named. one was a stepsister. and one (perhaps another stepsister?) had made allegations that he came into her bed, wrapped his arms around her and scared her. then there was an argument over the validity of these other allegations because one of the kids had made allegations against someone else then recanted. ring a bell?

 

as for the quotation marks, I'm sorry if my grammar wasn't up to your standards, though you seemed to have missed my point. I was paraphrasing the quotes dr.phil said came from the child. one of them said that steve had touched her pee-pee, and one had said he put a cookie there and ate it. sorry I didn't memorize the exact quote for you, but that is a very close approximation of what dr. phil said when quoting the child.

 

perhaps watch it again before you make any more random accusations? I didn't say anything that wasn't in the show.

Things happen here and I over-reacted.  i apologize.
 
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April 5, 2007, 12:50 pm PDT

Only Me

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I'm Steven's aunt.  There's a lot I could say.  Especially about his father, about his real mother, etc.  But that's a mute point right now.  He didn't do it.  And for the record, which no one bothered to bring up, he was living with my mother when he first heard of these all those years ago.  And it was never mentioned until Steven finally found the courage to say 'HEY MY DAD HITS ME"  Then BOOOOOOM!  all ths happened.

And FYI... he's good with kids.  I have two children, and there's no other MAN I trust with my kids as much as I trust him.

 

And ads for what his (BBBEEEEEPPPPP) father said about supportuing him and always being there for him...

 HELLLLOOOOO!!!! WHO WAS THERE?   UH, NOT HIIIMMMM.  I've been there for him since I was nine, when he was born,  I have sacrificed more for him and Tiffany than he ever has.  

(LONG STORY)

It may be only me, but I believed Steven did not do this.  It is good that he has the support from you right now because he will need it.
 
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April 5, 2007, 1:20 pm PDT

04/04 Did He or Didn't He?

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I was raised to think that homosexuality and pedophilia were "sins"...and I was never given anything much more than that. I didn't think more deeply about it until I was an adult, and I fear many people just never do think more deeply about it. I wish they would...it cuts deep to have a healthy, loving homosexual relationship compared to sick and vile child abuse.
sure does cut deep. especially for gay survivors of abuse...grr.
 
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April 5, 2007, 1:21 pm PDT

04/04 Did He or Didn't He?

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Things happen here and I over-reacted.  i apologize.
thanks :).
 
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April 5, 2007, 1:38 pm PDT

Hmm...

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This made me sooooooo, soooooo mad!! what the hell? since when do three-year-olds say   "he put a cookie on my pee-pee and ate it"?? I cannot believe that Dr. Phil seems to think that three separate allegations of abuse, from three different children of three different ages at three different times, with only one common denominator (steve) - are all random coincidences! Dr. Phil says he doesn't hink the little girl was molested because there were no signs of penetration??? what?? pedophiles don't generally rape three-year-olds. rape is not the only way to molest a child...there is basically never physical evidence of child sexual abuse, that's why 1/4 of our children are still being molested!!

everyone agrees that this guys was in a child's room when she started screaming...that just gets brushed off? why wasnt that addressed? two corroborating victims...that gets brushed off too? a small child says she was molested and dr. phil says it was her imagination?? THAT is exactly why children continue to be molested. because people are encouraged to feel sorry for the offender, and blow off a child's disclosure. thank you dr. phil for adding to an already raging epidemic of abused children being ignored, simply for being children, only to be abused again and again, and pass the cycle on to their own children. but at least steve's relationship with his dad was addressed, and steve feels validated.

The polygraph was inconclusive.  The guy that gave him the test and Dr. Phil don't think he did anything and based on that and the negative physical exam led Dr. Phil to believe what he did. 

 

I still think Steven Jr. isn't quite right.  If he is doing anything to her, it can't be proven unless he's caught in the act.  I do agree its suspicious that he ran out of the room after she screamed, and said " I didn't do anything".  I don't think he's all there upstairs.  I think it's a matter of time before he does something he shouldn't and gets caught.    I wouldn't let that little girl anywhere NEAR him.

 
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April 5, 2007, 1:58 pm PDT

Lie Detector clue

I have seen no other comment on the message board so I must ask if no other person noted the odd head tic that Steven had? If you have a tape, you will note a subltle but constant head movement which might be the reason the results were unreadable. Surely the man giving the test noticed? He spoke of some sort of neurological problem and this seems so obvious.

Perhaps because I was a trained investigator in Child Abuse and Neglect I watch body language very closely but really !!!

I have no idea if Steven did or did not do the crime because the child was unavailable for questioning but I suspect not since there are several other agendas at play here.

 
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April 5, 2007, 2:22 pm PDT

To my Cousin

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It may be only me, but I believed Steven did not do this.  It is good that he has the support from you right now because he will need it.

I am a cousin, and I already put my views here early this morning, but seems that mine was not put here for all to view. I think Steve Jr. is innocent too, and I made my point earlier. I still think that child was co hearsed to say things, most likely heard it from her own Parent's talking or people they hung around with! By the way, the woman that Steve Jr. went to live with is my Mom's younger sister! "only me", you know who I am, because we are only girls raised with brothers! All I can say is if something is continually beat into your head, you will believe it. My NIECE was only 3 years old and she remembers only what her Mom told her, because she cannot remember the fun vacations we took her on when she was 4 and she vaguely remembers when we took her to Disney World when she was 5. I also think that Counseling is needed for all of them!

 
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April 5, 2007, 2:39 pm PDT

copy of my post right after the show on 4/4/2007

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Did anyone else notice that Steven JR couldn't stop twitching.
  Dr. Phil.... Did you not notice his tics (minor repetetive head movement)?  April 4, 2007, 5:09 pm PDT

Did he do it? It's unfortunate that their is doubt either way. However, I was even more surprised that Dr. Phil did not pick up on Steven Jr.'s tics. This could explain the lie detector results. Head or facial tic-ing can be a symptom of Tourette Syndrome and it can be mild to severe. My son was diagnosed with tourette Syndrome 2 years ago. His tics went from mild to severe based on the amount of stress that he was under. It can be the simple repetetive throat clearing, sniffling, knuckle cracking, or minor vocalizations.(like my sons does... he hmmmm's).. including repetetive,,, but unnatural eye blinking, swallowing, etc or as Steve Jr was doing, head tic-ing.

 

I also do not believe in Lie detector tests. I have been told by family who are Police officers and have experience administering lie detector tests..... that the tests measure your emotional response which to some would indicate a lie on the test...yes? Maybe not. If you have an extreme fear of going to jail, being accused of a crime, especially one you did not commit etc... It could show a false positive.

 

I digress... Dr. Phil please go back and review the footage of Steven Jr. You will see the minor repetetive head tics.

 

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April 5, 2007, 2:50 pm PDT

Thank you

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  Dr. Phil.... Did you not notice his tics (minor repetetive head movement)?  April 4, 2007, 5:09 pm PDT

Did he do it? It's unfortunate that their is doubt either way. However, I was even more surprised that Dr. Phil did not pick up on Steven Jr.'s tics. This could explain the lie detector results. Head or facial tic-ing can be a symptom of Tourette Syndrome and it can be mild to severe. My son was diagnosed with tourette Syndrome 2 years ago. His tics went from mild to severe based on the amount of stress that he was under. It can be the simple repetetive throat clearing, sniffling, knuckle cracking, or minor vocalizations.(like my sons does... he hmmmm's).. including repetetive,,, but unnatural eye blinking, swallowing, etc or as Steve Jr was doing, head tic-ing.

 

I also do not believe in Lie detector tests. I have been told by family who are Police officers and have experience administering lie detector tests..... that the tests measure your emotional response which to some would indicate a lie on the test...yes? Maybe not. If you have an extreme fear of going to jail, being accused of a crime, especially one you did not commit etc... It could show a false positive.

 

I digress... Dr. Phil please go back and review the footage of Steven Jr. You will see the minor repetetive head tics.

Thank you for reposting that. I wasn't sure if anyone else noticed that.

 

I do know the police use lie detectors when hiring police, they may not do that everywhere but the department I applied did. And if you failed that was it for ever wanting to become a police officer. So most police do hold the lie detector as good proof if your telling the truth or not.

 
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