Topic : 04/04 Did He or Didn't He?

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Created on : Thursday, March 29, 2007, 12:43:09 pm
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What happens when family members take sides … against each other? Steven Jr. has been accused by his stepmother, Pam, and his stepsister, Tashika, of molesting Tashika's then 3-year-old daughter. Steven Jr. says there's no way he would ever commit such a sick act against a child. His father, Steve, says he believes his son, and the allegations are destroying his marriage and their family. In order to prove his innocence, Steven Jr. agrees to take a polygraph exam. After two hours of testing, will the truth be revealed? Find out the surprising results. And, why does Steven Jr. believe that his family is alleging he committed this crime and turning their backs on him? Will this family get the answers they are looking for and be able to move forward? Talk about the show here.

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April 11, 2007, 5:56 pm PDT

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There were alot of differences between these two cases, imo.

Whether people believed Jeremy was guilty or not, the ONE THING everyone should be VERY worried and concerned over is that even with the documented video evidence of the child naming her abuser, as well as possible physical evidence(torn labia), in 2006(not '56,'66,'76...) it STILL wasnt enough to get a temporary protective order to investigate the claims.

Thats frightening.




Yes I totally agree, that is scarey that this woman had all this to show and the courts wouldn't help to protect her daughter. VERY SAD
 
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April 11, 2007, 7:49 pm PDT

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Children DO NOT make this sort of thing up...not at her age. Do you really think an adult is going to admit the act when confronted?!

I worry about the child.  Because he was absolved by Dr. Phil on TV.  Now everyone will think the child is a liar.  When she grows up she will blame herself enough.  Something obviously happened to her when she was little.
 
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April 12, 2007, 5:41 pm PDT

I really dont believe he did it

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I worry about the child.  Because he was absolved by Dr. Phil on TV.  Now everyone will think the child is a liar.  When she grows up she will blame herself enough.  Something obviously happened to her when she was little.
 I really dont believe he did it and yes believe me kids at that age do make things up.  Most kids at that young age would not have a clue on what sexual abuse is.  There is no  proof and everyong has been involved and I really think that it was a false accusation. I have seen a simular situation like this one and believe me it can destroy a person to be accused of something like this when they did not do it.  The mother doesnt seem vindictive but she is worried just in case it is true.  They dont seem to be trying to find out from the child whether or not it is true. As a mother maybe I would do the same thing but as a person outside I think it is terrible to put this man through this if he is innocent.
 
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April 13, 2007, 9:29 am PDT

04/04 Did He or Didn't He?

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I wanted to thank both you and mamkabe for your comments and the thought that clearly went into them.  A good part of what is needed is dialog.  We don't need shouting and finger pointing.  We need calm and considered discussion.  I know of no one who advocates child molestation, but it is plain that the subject is very volatile when specific cases arise.  Unfortunately, it is at the point of maximum volatility that calm and reason are most needed.  As far as this board is concerned, I commend both of you for your insight.

Thanks, FLRAT69.  I'm glad there are more of us there than I thought. 

 

I wanted to add a link to someone in particular to support what I was saying earlier.

 

http://www.state.de.us/cgi-bin/sexoff.cgi/apps/so/sor_d.htm?opt=00002665

 

Here is a kid, born in 1988, and convicted in 2002.  He was 14.  They don't say much, but they are wiling to post his name, address, school, and employer.

 
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April 13, 2007, 12:56 pm PDT

im gald the doc backed him up

I was so glad Dr Phil backed this kid up. I dont think he did it either. And what an awful thing to be accused of!  I hope he can move forward. I dont know why this child made this accusation. But there must be more to it. I dont understand how this young mans dad can still be married to this woman that accuses his son. Thats probably a big reason why this young man wanted to distance himself from his father. I dont see that marriage lasting much longer. The bottom line is, for him to come forth on national tv and submit to a lie detector test. And the way he projected. That convinced me of his innocence!
 
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April 13, 2007, 4:02 pm PDT

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The thing that concerns me is that this guy was accused 3 times total by 3 different people. Also that the test was inconclusive is another fear. There are preditors all over and I do not blame the mother for not letting him around her little girl.

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:50 pm PDT

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Children DO NOT make this sort of thing up...not at her age. Do you really think an adult is going to admit the act when confronted?!

How do you know kids don't make things up? How do you know kids don't get coached? To you any accusation of a child=fact?
 
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April 14, 2007, 9:11 am PDT

You may have stated the answer in your resonse

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 I really dont believe he did it and yes believe me kids at that age do make things up.  Most kids at that young age would not have a clue on what sexual abuse is.  There is no  proof and everyong has been involved and I really think that it was a false accusation. I have seen a simular situation like this one and believe me it can destroy a person to be accused of something like this when they did not do it.  The mother doesnt seem vindictive but she is worried just in case it is true.  They dont seem to be trying to find out from the child whether or not it is true. As a mother maybe I would do the same thing but as a person outside I think it is terrible to put this man through this if he is innocent.
 "kids at that young age would not have a clue on what sexualabuse is".  This maybe saying it all.  Maybe the person beingaccused is not the one, but because if they do not have a clue then someone did  introduce her  to it, unless someone is being very suggestive to her.  Why would the mother do this?  Who knows,but it does seem she would not have a clue at her age unless something has happened to her.  yes, some kids(and adults) make wrongful accusations, but they are usually stemming from something. Something to think about.
 
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April 16, 2007, 2:59 pm PDT

Still not convinced...

I was shocked that Dr. Phil actually chose to say that he believed this guy.  Especially with an inconlusive polygraph...

 

I think that was a huge mistake. 

 

As far as I'm concerned that polygraph left the whole thing up in the air...

 

21 years ago my brother offered to take a polygraph and because of that the police did not give him one and referred to him as "the poor guy" while my little boy was called a liar....my brother has since admitted what he did.

 

I think you owe us another show if you want to make your point about false accusations, Dr. Phil...one with a conclusive polygraph result.

 
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April 20, 2007, 5:04 am PDT

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I was shocked that Dr. Phil actually chose to say that he believed this guy.  Especially with an inconlusive polygraph...

 

I think that was a huge mistake. 

 

As far as I'm concerned that polygraph left the whole thing up in the air...

 

21 years ago my brother offered to take a polygraph and because of that the police did not give him one and referred to him as "the poor guy" while my little boy was called a liar....my brother has since admitted what he did.

 

I think you owe us another show if you want to make your point about false accusations, Dr. Phil...one with a conclusive polygraph result.

I totally agree.  These shows are only adding to the burden of victims as they insinuate false abuse is so common.  They are extremely rare in fact the number of abuse reported is way below that which happens.  Abusive parents almost always claim to be falsely accuse and than the parent reporting is vilified and the child placed with abuser.  This is reality and disgusting.

 

Dr Phil you can believe what you want but if you saw a man leaving a small girls bedroom and her her crying would you be comfortable having him alone with her again?  As far as his fiancee who is pregnant stating she knows he didn't do it, that is not true she does not know.  She might think he did not do it but she does not know.  That wife did not forbide her husband from seeing his son just to prevent the son from being in her home and under what she was told she was right to.

 

He conviently came up with a reason for so called being accused.  Supposedly it was because he once turned in his father for abuse.  Well, he obviously went on the show to further hurt his father.  The lie detector couldn't get a reading and yet couldn't really state why.  All accused know that lie detector are not allowed in court so they have nothing to lose by taking one and are probably intrigued by the test as to they win again, if they fail--it's the test if they pass than it gives them leverage.

 

Dr Phil, stop using them, they are inadmissible in court and that man who is such an expert is wishy washy and seems to states what he thinks people want to hear.

 

Child abuse is serious, it is rampant, it is real and if you are not going to be part of the solution than stay out of it for you are really giving false impressions of mothers making false accusations to harm wonderful men.  That just is not the truth.

 

You also are doing a grave disservice to justice as victim and accused will get no justice as you are making public cases which could be taken to court and the abuser will claim to not be able to get a fair trial. 

 

Why don't you have a show on the facts of child abuse, a show about what really happen when a parent is accused and go threw all the steps including the difficulty in getting the state to listen, the difficulty in getting the fact together, a warrant, and go all the way up to where a parent has actually gonethrough  criminal trial.  Let the public really know how difficult protecting a child is.

 

You could have a show on false accusation but have it strictly be on fact and emphasized how rare it is, what the laws are about it, how they hurt true victims.

 

 

 

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