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(Original Air Date: 04/09/07) Two-and-a-half years ago, Cat and Todd left their 6-year-old daughter, Grace, with Todd’s parents for the night. Little did they know, it would be the night that changed their family forever. Grace’s grandfather, Steve, molested her, and after Grace told her grandmother, Ann, about it, Ann failed to report it. After confronting Todd’s parents, Cat and Todd pressed charges. Steve served eight months in jail and is now a registered sex offender. Neither he nor Ann has seen Cat, Todd or their grandchildren in over two years, but they desperately want to put their family back together. Steve says he’s ready to do what he can to heal his family, but Todd and Cat are not convinced. What does Steve say is his reason for stealing Grace's innocence? Dr. Phil meets with the grandparents and gets to the truth of what really happened, while Todd and Cat watch from behind a two-way mirror. Will the unvarnished truth be too much for them to handle? Can this fractured family ever heal and move on? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 14, 2007, 3:48 pm PDT

I am "Grace" 40yrs later who's parents didn't protect me

Dr. PHil,

The story about "saving Grace" was incredible. i am 47 yrs old, and my entire childhood I was molested by my grandad. He scarred me into keeping quiet about it telling me  he'd kill my mom if I wasn't " a good little girl". So my childhood was spent being that good little girl to protect my mom. At the age of 11 I guess I had a emotional breakdown, I quit talking except when I had to answer a question. I never threw anything away cause that meant someone I loved would die, I didn't know there was a name for all I did til I went through nursing school in my late 30"s. I had to touch things so many times, when I let go If I was thinking a bad thought it would come true so I kept touching it til I thought something good. Severe anxiety, and FEAR!!!!!!!!My Dr. told my mom I needed help, which she refused to get me. NOBODY EVER talked to me about what was wrong, not once. I remember crying and begging my parents to not make me go with my grandparents to spend the night or a week during the summer but they always made me go. I know the only reason I didn't loose my mind was by the Grace of God.  I got married at 18 and was a mom by 19, and I stayed busy so I wouldn't have time to think. I buried it. It was my mom's dad that abused me. Anyway, when I was around 30 yrs old and had 3 kids of my own my parents lived in the same town, small town, that I did and since my mom was an only child they moved to the small town we lived in to retire and that's when I had a hudge meltdown. I fought it for like over a yr, trying so hard to tell myself it didn't happen to me, but it did.  I told my parents and  family what my grandad had done and nobody believed me, my husband didn't believe me, I was being attacked everyday and I couldn't handle it so I took my 3 kids and  moved to a Amarillo, only an hr away from where I grew up.  As a young adult I went a yr where I'd only eat one week out of every month. I read and read about all of this and found that I had a hudge problem with fear of abandonment, very hard for me to believe anyone loved me because my grandad told me my whole life nobody loves you if you are bad, only if you are a good little girl, I found I had an enormous amount of shame and anger towards myself.  I did pretty much loose it for a few yrs, made bad choices, ect. And my family found it an easy scapegoat to blame everything on me having an affair. The guy I got involved with I had known forever and he was the only one who believed me, and I soooo regret that and I hate myself for doing what I did BUT.....contrary to what my family thinks, I didn't loose it over an affair, that was a symptom not the problem. I was so afraid, I never felt safe, and I desperately needed someone to believe me, and he did. My mom detached herself and told me she was soory about what happened to me and it must be hard for me BUT that she had a wonderful daddy. That only made me feel even more worthless, I wasn't worth standing up for yet he was? My mom thought I should keep going to family get togethers and we'd just keep a close eye so my granddad wouldn't get to my kids. I said NO, I would NOT DO THAT EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!! So he was welcomed there always, not me. I was taken to court by my parents for grandparent rights, well I had told my lawyer everything, when my lawyer brought up why I didn't trust my parents to have my kids without me there and that I knew they would take my kids around my granddad, my parents lawyer had no idea about any of that, just a minor detail they left out.  I have found t hat I have been self destructive all my life, overeating, smoking, ect. I didn't understand that til I read more. There was a perios in my adult like that I was hurt so deeply and felt so betrayed that I'd hurt myself by digging my fingernails in me making deep awful sores. I did end up moving to Amarillo, and my marriage ended in divorce which was a hudge mistake. You don't make those hudge decisions when you are dealing with trauma issues. After a few yrs my mom asked me if I'd drop by and let her give my kids a christmas present,  so I did and when I went to use her bathroom, there was a picture hanging in the bathrroom of my grandad and grandma, it literally made me SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been so self destructive all my life that now my health is soooo bad. I need to see specialists, ect. and I can't even work at this point because I had a wreck a yr ago, that I should have never even survived but it has progressively worse to where now I can't walk far or stand up long before my back hurting so bad and going numb. I don't have insurance or money so I applied for assistance but they won't give it to you unless you are living on the streets. I desperately want to get well, I would give anything to be able to see a Dr. like Dr. Phil to help me once and for all deal with the issues I've not ever had help in overcoming. I desperately want to be healthy, instead of self destructive, and I can't do anything because I have no insurance, and I have a place to live. I would love it if Dr. Phil would help me, I've served a 47 yr sentence and if I don't get help I'll be dead before I'm 50.  I did confront my grandad before he died which I needed to do for myself, and all he did was laugh at me, but I went to say what I wanted to say knowing full well he'd never admit to what he'd done. When my parents found out I was gonna confront him, they even warned him I was coming. Well a couple yrs went by and my dad called one night asking me to forgive him for not believing me, my dad said something to my grandad about him hurting me and my grandad told my dad "I guess she doesn't like it anymore", I was beyond enraged!!!!! He died a couple yrs later. And 5 yrs after I told everyone what he'd done, what he was, I had a second cousin call me, she had grown up next to my mom, she asked me to forgive her for not telling because he molested her and then she named every female cousin I had, he got them all. My mom swears he never did anything to her, and she never will. But I will say that I am proud of the fact that of the many, little girls he hurt so bad, I was the only one to expose him and confront him. It came with a hudge price. I didn't have brothers and sisters anymore, My family say I turned my back on them over an affair, yet I know differently, I did mess up like they say, BUT I got overwhelmed and then felt so betrayed when noone believed me that I ran to another town  just to feel safe. I'd love to have a chance to tell Grace's parents that I applaud the fact that they believed their daughter, that they have protected her as well, because I know first hand what happens to little girls when they do tell and arent believed or protected. I'd love to tell them exactly what they are saving her from, for them to know what happens when you aren't believed and protected. I would love to be able to help in even a small way to stop this from happening to another little girl, and how vital it is for parents to believe their children and what happens to small children out there everywehre who are never helped or believed like me. The only person I ever took my anger out on was myself.  As I mentioned I'd give anything if Dr. Phil could help me get the help I need to resolve the issues that have haunted me for 47 yrs, for him to help me get help overcoming self destructiveness, I desperately need a medical team of experts to see me and see if alot of health problems I have can be fixed or not. It just is a result of yrs of anger with noone to lash out at except myself. and I'd get on my knees an beg if that's what it took.  One of the main people I wanted to protect was my daughter, well she has been working with my mom and my own daughter tells me I carried it too far, ect. That I should show my mom more respect. and my daughter believes my families version of what happened. she thinks all I wanted to do was to have an affair, but that's so not true. I was being flooded with flashbacks, nightmares, ect for like 2 yrs before I got the guts up to tell. ANyway, I just wish I had had parents like Grace that would have believed and protected me and I want them to know they are doing so much more than they even realize. They are saving their daughter from so much more, soooo much more.

Thank You,

Vickie Darnell

 
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April 14, 2007, 4:26 pm PDT

Saddened for Grace and others at the hands of a molester

Why? After reading all of the postings it is quite obvious more needs to be done with these beast. 8 months behind bars for destroying that child's life. It isn't just the physical abuse, my God it is the emotional abuse, it never ends! Is there anything we as a society do to make sure legislation changes to keep these people behind bars forever? It isn't a disease that can be cured, it is something that should not be tolerated at all. We need to join together and put an end to this war waged against our innocent, precious children.
 
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April 14, 2007, 4:29 pm PDT

Saving Grace

I am a survivor of family molestation! No one wants to admit it happened and even the molester will not own up to it! This happened 34 years ago...I kept it a secret from my family to protect my brother...I grew up in a very Italian family. I was an only daughter and expected to be "pure" in order to be married respectfully!

BIG MISTAKE!!!!!!!!

I now live with the haunting of not only beeing raped but also of having the family bond as I hide the truth. I am still struggling with it and fortunately my second husband is caring enough to put up with my disfunctions.

My ex husband molested 2 of my children (it was disclosed more than 10 years after the fact!) I left him for obvisous reasons...he was abusive in all ways and it was not my problems to solve.

I raised my kids the best I could, there are still issues with them  that I deal with on a regular basis...drugs, homelessness, abusive relationships, unwilling to own up to their responsiblities, etc.!

I now have a Grandson!  Any Grandparent will be able to relate to this:

I do not know how my heart beat before my Grandbaby was born!

If my Husband was to become sexual with an adult - let alone a child...he is either wheelchaired or divorice on the spot! BUT if he even spoke harshly to my Grandson...he would be in big trouble! Iy is our responsiblity to provide a safe place with many history lessons as well as unconditional love. There is the relationship that no other member of the family could possibly have...we only have to love and spoil them. I do not have to discipline him as he get all the attention he could want and ask for!

How dare this man feel that it was the devil, unless satan has returne in the form of a bastard Grandfather!

SHAME ON YOU Grandmother! SHAME ON YOU!

I blame you more for not taken action. As I sat and watche the show an your husbands disclosure...I was enraged...lucky I was not there!

The both of you deserve to live out the worst hellish life that  one can endure - and then some!

Children are the sweetest gifts that God has provided us with and we should charish them...one day they are going to be in control of our future!

I am amazed that there was not enough shame to keep him off the show...I would not beleive that being in the view of millions of people and bragging (for lack of another fitting word) ABOUT KILLING THAT CHILDS CHANCES FOR A DECENT NORMAL LIFE AND ROBBING HER OF THE MOST IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP THERE IS TO A CHILD!

Whew! that was enraging.....

God bless you Grace and Dr. Phil and Robin (the force behind) for interveneing...however if these Grandparents get to be in that childs life...I for one will be dissapointed!

I will be Graces adopted Grandparent! if you cannot find another good set!

 
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April 14, 2007, 4:33 pm PDT

I am proud of you.

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My sister called me the other day and told me that I had to watch this Dr. Phil.  I cried the entire show.  The similarities to my own family are unbelievable.  My daughter who we call Gracie, was 6 years old when she came to me and told me that my father had touched her and made her touch him.  I reported it immediately.  My father denies it to this day.  My mother believes my father.  She says that children make things up.  He will never see a day in jail because it is a case of he said, she said.  He can't take a lie detector test because he has heart failure and diabetes.  They won't allow her to take one because of her age.  It is a horrific loophole in our justice system.  I have not had any contact with my parents since the day she told me, except to let my mom know that she could still have a relationship with us.  However, she chose not to.  So, we don't communicate whatsoever.  I believe it is my job to protect my children.  I can only hope that my children will understand this as they get older.  My only concern is that my daughter has had no counseling.  She seems fine,  but I need to know what you all think.  Would it be beneficial or a waste of time.  I don't want her to always be a victim.  Please help if you have any experience with this.

 

I want you to know that you are a hero. You have done the right thing and I commend you. I think you should let your daughter talk with a counselor and see what they would recommend.  I would never want what she has experienced to fester and destroy her self worth. I didn't talk within anyone for years about my experience and sadly to this day, I am 50, it has left me with the feeling of complete worthlessness. I believe from my experience is that parents need to show their children they believe what happened, act on what happened, and to always reassure them it was not their fault and that they are very important.   I promise this will help.

 
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April 14, 2007, 4:52 pm PDT

want to yoke the grandma

DR. PHILL I TRY TO BE A REASONABL PERSON ,BUT THE DAY THAT SAT DOWNTO WATCH YOUR SHOW ,I CRIED, FOR GRACE .I FELT LIKE THAT WAS MY CHILD. HOW  COULD HER FATHER NOT HAVE A REACTION TO HIS FATHER . I YELL AND SCREAM AT MY TV AS IF HE COULD HEAR ME . IM A GRAND MOTHER OF TWO CHILDRENS AND IF ANYONE EVEN LOOK AT THEM CROSS EYED, THE WILL NOT BE A JAIL IN THE WORL D THAT WOULD HOLD ME .AND AS FOR GRACES'S FATHER ,I FEEL SORRY FOR HIM. MAYBE ITS ME ,BUT I FEEL AS IF HIS REACTION TO GRACES BEING MOLESTED ,WAS THAT IT HAPPEN TO HIM . THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT GRACES'S GRANDFATHER MOLELESTED SOMEONE, I THANK GODD THE HE GAVE GRACES THE STRENGHT TO TELL SOME ONE  EVEN IF ITS THE GRANDMOTHER WHO DONT WANT TO BELIEVE IT. HER HUSBAND HAS DO IT BEFORE BUT THIS TIME HE GOT CAUGHT SOME ONE TOLD.  I HOPE THAT GRACES'S PARENTS GET HER THE HELP THAT SHE NEEDS TO SOME HOW LIVED A NORMAL LIVE.  SHE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT SHE IS A PRECIOUS ROSE AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PRECIOUS. SHE IS A FLOWER THAT GOD PLANTED TO BLOSSOM
 
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April 14, 2007, 5:18 pm PDT

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The story is so tragic.  In a perfect world, things like this would never happen.  My heart goes out to all the victims.  As we all know, there is always more than one victim to every crime.  The parents and siblings of this beautiful little girl will all pay the price.  I am disgusted with Dr. Phil for going into all the details.  Simply saying the child was molested was more than enough information.  There are so many perverts out there that I am afraid they will just get off on all the details of this offence.  It's been days since the show and I am still upset.  Grandma is a fool to stick by grandpa's side.  Grandpa should be castrated.  If he re-offends, they should cut both his hands off!
 
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April 14, 2007, 5:38 pm PDT

do you think that

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I am the MOTHER of a sexual abused child by a FAMILY Member. I was shocked when I found out. My son was the victim. This happened during the years of 11 to 12 years of age. My son was in the State Hospital for around five months. When I found out that this has happened. I immediately contacted the sheriff department to file charges. Finding out this wasn't the first time this man had been charged, but got off due to a tectonically. Oh man was I was furious and was bound and determined to get this man off the streets. I actually told the Deputy that if they didn't get him off the streets, that I would. The Deputy told me that I couldn't say that. Now I'm wondering why. The Deputy told me that by saying this if anything happened to him, I would be the first person arrested.  Well to make a long story short. I had people watching him and when ever he made a move that put him around children I would call and complain. It took me EIGHT years to get this man behind bars in prison. I never allowed this family around my son again. I went to every parole hearing so this man wouldn't be allowed to get out. Finally his mandatory release date came up and he was released. Well he go back into trouble and had to return to prison for the remaining of his time. Finally he killed his number and is now released in to the public again. Did you know that any Sex Offender in the State of Colorado is allowed to use a street corner as their address, example they could say, the corner of 5th and Main in this town. Now that rule needs to be changed so they have to have a physical address.

Just one question.  Could it be your son went to the state hospital from your reaction to the situation or from the abuse?  It is very important to the child for the parent to understand all emotional feelings and how he thinks.  The heart and mind work as a team.  Just curious.

Thank you for your response.

 
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April 14, 2007, 5:49 pm PDT

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I am sorry to hear about your father and you, and being forced to live in the same home as him was NOT protection for you, by your own admission you have suffered from mental illness due to this, a child should NEVER have to live with their abuser.

Yes he's out, way too soon in my humble opinion, but that does not mean the child should be made to have ANY realtionship with him, sexual abuse is the most degrading and humiliating types of abuse ANYONE can inflict on a child, especially since the child was NOT old enough to really understand what was happening, and she's probably still blaming herself for it.

She needs to know she is PROTECTED, agreed, but taking her around him will not make her feel protected, protecting her would be KEEPING her AWAY from her abuser, he made a choice, I agree with you there, and he should pay for it, what are his motives for wanting them to trust him again ?

Agreed again, her parents needn't harp on it, but they shouldn't act as though it never happened, keeping an open dialougue, and not getting angry or upset ( the hardest thing any parent could face ) if the child mentions it to them, and letting her know it wasn't HER fault can keep her from becoming a victim for life, many do rise above it and use it for healing, not an excuse for bad behavior they display as adults, you found religion, and I found a way past to work with teens that suffer from Mental and emotional challenges.

I belive as you do, we do learn to forgive, not necessarily forget, some things we NEVER forget, but we forgive to heal ourselves, many I have forgiven, but it dosen't mean there is any relationship, it simply means I will NOT allow them that power over me to keep me shaking in a corner instead of living my life.

There wasn't much help twenty years ago either, and my parents still took me around the man who did that to me, I hated them for it, I was the only kid around who DREADED summer vacation because I knew I would have to "Make Nice" to spare the feelings of the family, they did protect me enough that I was NEVER alone with him, but to have to face him time and again was torture, so I don't know how you did it having to see him everyday.

Seems we agree more than not, but I will agree to disagree that forcing or having a relationship with him is in the child's best interests, from the things he's said just on the previews, he's beyond sick, and I would wonder how many other victims are out there.

Thank you for your response.  I fully understand what you are saying.  It was not easy to live with my abuser.  The only thing different is that the child does not "live with" the abuser.  So, the parents should limit their visits, but not cut them off totally.  I truly pray the child can proceed on with her life in spite of it all.  While there they do not have to give him "hugs and kisses."  Keep their distance. 

I am a student (even at my age) and in the near future I want to help children who have suffered the same as I have.   My prayer is to help them deal with what happened to them in a positive manner.  I am very thankful, now, I did not have all the "poor me" mentalities that are out there.  An abused child does not really want to be made a victim over and over.  When they are upset or depressed, they really want someone to hold them and let them know it will be okay, in time. 

Only our Lord and Savior can do this and He will in his time.  I am a better person and can not visualize being any other way, in spite of my experiences.

 
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April 14, 2007, 8:41 pm PDT

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Oh my I was lucky my dad was NOT there when that show was on. He would have tried to go through the freaking TV to strangle the guy. My mom and I were sitting there yelling and cursing at this loser. I mean really dude your 66(?) you of ALL people should know better. Geez ever since I saw that show, that freak has been in my dreams since doing bad things to me...*shivers* Makes me sick just thinking about it... That guy should have been locked up longer then 8 freaking months. I mean come on, he may say it might never happen again but I bet he's gonna sit there and wait for another minor to come into his life. Or maybe even try to lure a kid to meet him from the net (has had that happend to me) Grace has been in my prayers ever since I saw the show. So girl hang in there I know how you feel!
 
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April 14, 2007, 11:37 pm PDT

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I was also molested as a child by my "daddy" and believe me it was not easy having to live in the same house with him all my life.  But, I still loved him in my heart.  I had a lot of mental illness from this and the Lord is the "only one" who saved me from living my life in a horrible way.

Now that is said, I believe they should visit with the grandparents, but never ever let the child and grandfather be alone.  Listen to  every word that is being said between the two.  Let the grandfather know up front that he will be watched and if he ever says or does anything toward this child that he will be punished again.  This child loves  him and it will take years before she comes to realize hate toward him.  Let her be a child.  Trust me, in time this child will heal and be able to live a normal productive life, if the family does not keep reminding the child that she was victimized.  Forgiveness can and does happen. 

If our society really cared for children, molesters would never get out of jail.  When you abuse one of God's children, there should be no second chance, it was a choice the abuser made.  But, since the grandfather is no longer in jail, then life must be as normal as possible for this little girl to heal.  She needs to know her parents will defend her and make her feel safe, even around the abuser. 

If the little girl wants to talk to her parents, they should be there for her and let her know she will be okay.  Not too much of this "your a victim" even though she is, always make her feel okay and not like "it is her fault."  How this situation is handled now while she is young is what she will carry with her for the rest of her life.  Do you want a child to believe she is a victim all her life or that something terrible happened, but by the Grace of God she doesn't have to carry this burden for life. 

If anyone grew up during the time when there was no help, we turned to God for comfort and He never failed us. 

I also believe they should not be left alone.  A lot of the letters seem to be against the grandmother and she wasn't the one doing it yet a lot of you seem to want to string her up and shoot her.  The big thing people seem to be against is she didn't go running out the house telling people he did it.  It looks like neither did the kid but because you didn't say something right away quick doesn't mean it didn't happen. The victumns in this isn't just the kids. Its there parents, and also the grandmother other grandchildren of the grandfather. He hurt the relationship between the grandmother and grandchildren and children. Hopefully after the granddaughter told her she never let her out of her site while she was there but as far as her beleving he was guilty all people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and no wife is required to testify againt her husband.   Why teach us that and then want to through people in jail for following the law.

 

  I don't feel the child should be denied seeing her grandparents but just not leave her alone with her grandfather.

 
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