Message Boards

Topic : 08/13 The Dr. Phil House: Saving Grace

Number of Replies: 1627
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:30:39 am
Author : DrPhilBoard1
(Original Air Date: 04/09/07) Two-and-a-half years ago, Cat and Todd left their 6-year-old daughter, Grace, with Todd’s parents for the night. Little did they know, it would be the night that changed their family forever. Grace’s grandfather, Steve, molested her, and after Grace told her grandmother, Ann, about it, Ann failed to report it. After confronting Todd’s parents, Cat and Todd pressed charges. Steve served eight months in jail and is now a registered sex offender. Neither he nor Ann has seen Cat, Todd or their grandchildren in over two years, but they desperately want to put their family back together. Steve says he’s ready to do what he can to heal his family, but Todd and Cat are not convinced. What does Steve say is his reason for stealing Grace's innocence? Dr. Phil meets with the grandparents and gets to the truth of what really happened, while Todd and Cat watch from behind a two-way mirror. Will the unvarnished truth be too much for them to handle? Can this fractured family ever heal and move on? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

Find out what happened on the show.

More August 2007 Show Boards.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 12:12 am PDT

How can you

Quote From: jacknalecsmom

I have read the message boards many times but have never felt the urge to post myself. I have to say that this show has haunted me all week, not the fact of the molestation,though it is the ultimate violation in a family. What has made me so angry that I was just sputtering during the show is the grandmother. I cannot even begin to understand how she could cover up what was going on. How do you reconcile something like that in your mind? How do you stay with someone who has violated your precious grandchild? In my mind, she is almost worse than he is. He is unarguably sick and a pedophile, but what is she?

As a mother, the thought of covering incest up to save my marriage is revolting. How can you live under the same roof and sleep in the same bed with someone capable of that? How do you justify keeping that knowledge from your son, the child's father?

My god, my first husband cheated on me and when we tried to reconcile I threw  up when he touched me and that was just infidelity. Nothing twisted and sick like what happened here.

I know one friend that had this situation and she didn't know what was going on but the court thought she was just in denial and took her  kids. Some feel the grandmother is  the worst and if a court was to decided between the two.  Well the husband was like the grandfather and got the custody.  At the time of the trial they weren't living together but later they got back together after the court gave him the children.
 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 12:16 am PDT

04/09 The Dr. Phil House: Saving Grace

Quote From: vtaggart

Thank you for your response.  I fully understand what you are saying.  It was not easy to live with my abuser.  The only thing different is that the child does not "live with" the abuser.  So, the parents should limit their visits, but not cut them off totally.  I truly pray the child can proceed on with her life in spite of it all.  While there they do not have to give him "hugs and kisses."  Keep their distance. 

I am a student (even at my age) and in the near future I want to help children who have suffered the same as I have.   My prayer is to help them deal with what happened to them in a positive manner.  I am very thankful, now, I did not have all the "poor me" mentalities that are out there.  An abused child does not really want to be made a victim over and over.  When they are upset or depressed, they really want someone to hold them and let them know it will be okay, in time. 

Only our Lord and Savior can do this and He will in his time.  I am a better person and can not visualize being any other way, in spite of my experiences.

I am sorry for the abuse you have encountered.

But I have to strongly disagree with you. I was reunited with my abuser and the amount of confusion, hurt, distrust and self loathing that came from that was not worth any shell of a relationship.

Just because he's "grandpa" doesn't mean he is valuable. A person sharing DNA does not give them value. There is no gain in a relationship with this man who used his grand daughter for an orgasm. There is a lot to LOSE in trying to make a relationship with him. Same with grandma. She covered up sexual abuse in favor of her husband. There is NO value in having a relationship with someone that despicable. Sexual abuse is not something that can be gotten over. Even if the parents some how forgive these two horrible people, even if the child someday finds a way to forgive these people who used her and betrayed her in the worst way possible, a "relationship" isn't necessary for that forgiveness.

I hate to say this, but I think it's quite possible, because you were subjected to the horrors of living with your abuser that you've, in your mind, belittled what sexual abuse really is.

These grandparents made their choices and THEY are the ones who cut themselves off from Grace...NOT the other way around.
 
User Mood
Mellow

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 1:23 am PDT

04/09 The Dr. Phil House: Saving Grace

Quote From: penny_lady

I am sorry for the abuse you have encountered.

But I have to strongly disagree with you. I was reunited with my abuser and the amount of confusion, hurt, distrust and self loathing that came from that was not worth any shell of a relationship.

Just because he's "grandpa" doesn't mean he is valuable. A person sharing DNA does not give them value. There is no gain in a relationship with this man who used his grand daughter for an orgasm. There is a lot to LOSE in trying to make a relationship with him. Same with grandma. She covered up sexual abuse in favor of her husband. There is NO value in having a relationship with someone that despicable. Sexual abuse is not something that can be gotten over. Even if the parents some how forgive these two horrible people, even if the child someday finds a way to forgive these people who used her and betrayed her in the worst way possible, a "relationship" isn't necessary for that forgiveness.

I hate to say this, but I think it's quite possible, because you were subjected to the horrors of living with your abuser that you've, in your mind, belittled what sexual abuse really is.

These grandparents made their choices and THEY are the ones who cut themselves off from Grace...NOT the other way around.
I want to correct something I said, it came out wrong. I do believe people can "get over" sexual abuse to a degree, although it's difficult and it effects so many facets of a persons life that it's not something that will ever be completely healed.
 
User Mood
Sad

Message Emote
upset
April 15, 2007, 3:15 am PDT

I had to quit

okay i will be honest here. I was rather upset. this is like a father and daughter type of senario and I had to quit watching. the grandfather is definatly a pervert and had no sympathy of the scares he would have left on the family. I think that anybody who does this ought to have their god given rights to sex  taken away and be castrated. if somebody could do the crime in other words quit putting them on a sex offenders list get right to the core of it and get rid that which they could use whether in rape or molestation. i don't feel a bit sorry for this guy he deserved more time in prison and he should have been publicly humilated. right now the slap on the wrist so to speak bothers me that is what my own father got when he molested me. its wrong and the systems in every state fails to do anything about it. and if you tell somebody in authortity you feel bad and we need to quit feeling bad about it and quit feeling sorry for ourselves and get on with life and it is easier said then done. i have lived it
 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 5:23 am PDT

sickened by grandmother

I am also sickened by the grandmother she must have no soul.   I have had the same experience as many survivors who have posted.   I along with my two sisters were molested by my stepfather.   After doing much research I found that my mother was the perfect victim he was searching for.   She was a single mother with 3 small daughters who was looking for a "paycheck" to help her out.    He was a divorced man of another woman  with daughters who I would bet my life on were molested too!  But she had the courage to throw the bum out.  The molestation continued after we girls had the courage to tell our mother.  She continued to live with him!   And because he sickened "her" she got a job working nights so she didnt have to be around him.  But guess what he was still around us.    I left home at 15 moved in with my sister married at 17 and moved as far away as possible (5000 miles) away from that dysfunction.

It has caused all of us some issues but I am proud to say that my children never had to go to bed worried that their sleep would be interuppted or daddy would be saying inappropriate things to them.  My mother stayed married to my stepfather til his death 5 years ago.   She knew he did these awful things and her only response was she was a "coward".   My reasoning for this is she liked the almighty dollar he brought into the house.   Her just rewards are the fact that her grandchildren could never spend a night in her house and the fact the relationships with her daughters are forever damaged.   Let me also mention that as children we were considered "trouble makers" from our other family members.  Nice family isnt it.   My step father apologized to me when he was dying of course, guess he figured it would get him some points into heaven.  I realize the man was sick, but also realize my mother is too.   How she could look at him, sleep with him and go on vacations with him is beyond any realm of belief I have.   He also lavished her with presents and jewelry.  We on the other hand were cast aside.   We all have our demons to this day.    We have no family life,  no family get togethers and many of us barely speak.  My mother thought all this would die when my step father died, but as many know it does not.    I did not speak to my mother for years but guess what she took up with our biological father who dumped us when we were small (I was 2)  he never paid a dime support  and was not there for us to turn to when all this was going on.    Go figure.   I am told to get over it by my older sister who is thrilled they have found each other after all these years!  Is it me or do I have a right to this anger I feel.  My other sister feels the same way I do.    I do at this point speak to my mother (we live in different towns) but it is the fact she is old now and I do it for me more than for her.  After all these years I still feel that she is my mother and someday she will be gone and I feel I need to do what is right for me.  How strange huh.....  So gracies grandmother, listen up you have destroyed your family along with the pervert you married.   And I willl bet this is the not the only child whose life he has destroyed, they dont stop until they die.  And gracies dad,  GROW A PAIR AND PROTECT YOUR CHILD.   She needs a real male role model to look up to and to believe that all men are not that way.   Gracies mom  I wish I had you as my mother, you are doing the right thing...  Protect  your child at all costs.   I am 48 years old  and still have effects from this crap.

 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
angry
April 15, 2007, 6:41 am PDT

MAD ME SICK TO HEAR

When I watched this show it made me sick.  How could a GRANDFATHER EVER TOUCH HIS 6yr GRANDCHILD and think it was ok, and she would like it.  And the GRANDMOTHER knew.  He might have when to jail, and I know the Bible says you have to forgive, but this would be one time I would have a hard time doing so.  I can't remember, but didn't he just get a year in the county jail, when he should have been put under the jail.  And their son has only cried for his daddy and not his daughter he  needs help too.  I think that whole side of the family is sick.  I think the Grandmother should only get to see the granddaughter only with someone there with here, and the Grand father never, because he may get that feeling that she might like it again, and he has already got off way to light one time.  Because if I was on that jury I would have said to hang him up by the b----or cut them off.  And I feel this away after only watching the first show.

 
User Mood
Distressed

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 10:08 am PDT

You did the right thing

Quote From: missdarla

I want you to know that you are a hero. You have done the right thing and I commend you. I think you should let your daughter talk with a counselor and see what they would recommend.  I would never want what she has experienced to fester and destroy her self worth. I didn't talk within anyone for years about my experience and sadly to this day, I am 50, it has left me with the feeling of complete worthlessness. I believe from my experience is that parents need to show their children they believe what happened, act on what happened, and to always reassure them it was not their fault and that they are very important.   I promise this will help.

I'm so glad that others like you feel that to continue a relationship with the abuser is wrong for the victim - my adopted son(almost 14) had been abusing my 10 yr old Granddaughter and his mentally challenged twin sister for 7 years-when we finally discovered this about 6 months ago the county took our son and put him into a group home -the sexual abuse that he has been committing is horrific and he has no remorse - he has been proven to be  someone who does not have a conscience-the county wants us to reunite with this monster and bring him back into our home but I refuse -I cannot bring him back into the lives of his victims and risk further abuse -I don't know what the answer is but I do know I don't want him back!!!!When I was around 6 my great grandfather molested me and my Dad and Grandpa broke off all communication with the abuser and to this day I feel loved and protected by these two great men in my life even though they have both passed on - one of the big problems I have right now is the fact that my Husband still remains in contact with our adopted sex abuser son and it hurts his young victims to know this. Get some therapy for your Daughter but don't be surprised when this subject comes up later on in her life -it just doesn't go away no matter how it is handled.
 
User Mood
Sad

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 11:16 am PDT

You are so right!

Quote From: gypsy1234

I am also sickened by the grandmother she must have no soul.   I have had the same experience as many survivors who have posted.   I along with my two sisters were molested by my stepfather.   After doing much research I found that my mother was the perfect victim he was searching for.   She was a single mother with 3 small daughters who was looking for a "paycheck" to help her out.    He was a divorced man of another woman  with daughters who I would bet my life on were molested too!  But she had the courage to throw the bum out.  The molestation continued after we girls had the courage to tell our mother.  She continued to live with him!   And because he sickened "her" she got a job working nights so she didnt have to be around him.  But guess what he was still around us.    I left home at 15 moved in with my sister married at 17 and moved as far away as possible (5000 miles) away from that dysfunction.

It has caused all of us some issues but I am proud to say that my children never had to go to bed worried that their sleep would be interuppted or daddy would be saying inappropriate things to them.  My mother stayed married to my stepfather til his death 5 years ago.   She knew he did these awful things and her only response was she was a "coward".   My reasoning for this is she liked the almighty dollar he brought into the house.   Her just rewards are the fact that her grandchildren could never spend a night in her house and the fact the relationships with her daughters are forever damaged.   Let me also mention that as children we were considered "trouble makers" from our other family members.  Nice family isnt it.   My step father apologized to me when he was dying of course, guess he figured it would get him some points into heaven.  I realize the man was sick, but also realize my mother is too.   How she could look at him, sleep with him and go on vacations with him is beyond any realm of belief I have.   He also lavished her with presents and jewelry.  We on the other hand were cast aside.   We all have our demons to this day.    We have no family life,  no family get togethers and many of us barely speak.  My mother thought all this would die when my step father died, but as many know it does not.    I did not speak to my mother for years but guess what she took up with our biological father who dumped us when we were small (I was 2)  he never paid a dime support  and was not there for us to turn to when all this was going on.    Go figure.   I am told to get over it by my older sister who is thrilled they have found each other after all these years!  Is it me or do I have a right to this anger I feel.  My other sister feels the same way I do.    I do at this point speak to my mother (we live in different towns) but it is the fact she is old now and I do it for me more than for her.  After all these years I still feel that she is my mother and someday she will be gone and I feel I need to do what is right for me.  How strange huh.....  So gracies grandmother, listen up you have destroyed your family along with the pervert you married.   And I willl bet this is the not the only child whose life he has destroyed, they dont stop until they die.  And gracies dad,  GROW A PAIR AND PROTECT YOUR CHILD.   She needs a real male role model to look up to and to believe that all men are not that way.   Gracies mom  I wish I had you as my mother, you are doing the right thing...  Protect  your child at all costs.   I am 48 years old  and still have effects from this crap.

I was also molested and labeled "bad". I ran away when I was 16 only to have the police make me go back a few weeks later. It was scary on the streets but not so much I would have returned voluntarily. My mother told me I was a whore. The county made us go to counseling. My father came one time and only stayed for a few minutes. When the counselor inferred that there might be problems with other family members, Dad said that I was bad, fix her and walked out. I guess I was Dr. Phil's "target patient". I left home the day before I turned 18 and didn't talk to them again for 3 1/2 years. My mother was an alcoholic and my father was codependent. They could never face problems rationally. It is all so sad. If only they would have tried and been vulnerable. My brother says I'm the only one of the children who turned out whole. I had a much rougher life then the rest. Grace's mom, I wish you had been my mother. You are wonderful. Keep all children you can away from that man. I have no doubt that he has molested before and will again if he gets a chance. It's too bad that we didn't get to see his real face. The world needs to know who he is so children can be protected from him. The grandmother is the codependent. She has been listening to his stories and it is easier for her to believe them than deal with the truth. Mom, do Grace a favor, keep her safe. You know in your gut what to do. Dad is confused but there is still time for him to be a good father. She needs to know that people care about her. I am 50 years old and still cry about my childhood. Protect your children.
 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
upset
April 15, 2007, 1:11 pm PDT

Blown Away

That is how I felt watching this show. How could he say  "I didn't even know it was against the law." What are you kidding me? This subject is a sore one for me a little over 3 years ago my father was convicted of 4th degree forced and cohersion. He "fooled around" I use the words because I don't have all the details, with his gf at the time 16 year old daughter. I saw my father watching this show. I'm the only person who hasn't turned my back on my father. I'm torn, he is half the reason I exist, how can I write him off. I know he needs help though! He has been attending his classes for over 3 years and still doesn't get it. He recently started seeing a psychologist who I hope can help him resolved the problems he has.
 
User Mood
Stressed

Message Emote
blank
April 15, 2007, 3:40 pm PDT

saving grace

It is sad. and it hurts my heart that a grandpa could do this.

My brother was molsted at a young age by a uncle that was suppose to watch us. My brother is 47 yrs old now and it still affects him. As I know it will effect this child also. Thank God she has her mom and dad who care for her so much! It is soo crazy this world that we live in that a grandma could cover this up and act as nothing is wrong. That upsets me so.

As a grandma I would KILL THE PERSON WHO TOCHED MY GRANDCHILDEN HUSBAND OR NOT! How can she act like this? I guess it is the reaction that I got when I confronted my dad about what his brother did. He really didn't care and therefore because of that he never got to know his grandson.

How could I take my son around a family that turns their heads..So they missed out..

and Grace's Mom and Dad has to make that choice also..It isn't hard..You love your children and you protect them at all cost!

 

 
First | Prev | 98 | 99 | 100 | 101 | 102 | 103 | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 | Next | Last