Topic : 08/13 The Dr. Phil House: Saving Grace

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(Original Air Date: 04/09/07) Two-and-a-half years ago, Cat and Todd left their 6-year-old daughter, Grace, with Todd’s parents for the night. Little did they know, it would be the night that changed their family forever. Grace’s grandfather, Steve, molested her, and after Grace told her grandmother, Ann, about it, Ann failed to report it. After confronting Todd’s parents, Cat and Todd pressed charges. Steve served eight months in jail and is now a registered sex offender. Neither he nor Ann has seen Cat, Todd or their grandchildren in over two years, but they desperately want to put their family back together. Steve says he’s ready to do what he can to heal his family, but Todd and Cat are not convinced. What does Steve say is his reason for stealing Grace's innocence? Dr. Phil meets with the grandparents and gets to the truth of what really happened, while Todd and Cat watch from behind a two-way mirror. Will the unvarnished truth be too much for them to handle? Can this fractured family ever heal and move on? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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August 14, 2007, 7:22 am PDT

Physically Sick

 This man that calls himself a Grandfather is not worthy of a relationship with his grandaughter, let alone his son or daughter in law. He crossed that line when the thought first crossed his mind. As for Grandma, she is an emotinless woman that obviously does not value her grandaughters safety and trust in her. If this incident would have occured to me in my family, I would die before those people would ever have a chance to see or touch my child again.

I don't have a lot of time to watch the show, but I am so glad that i cought this one. I was sitting in my chair and I was physically sick. I have never seen such a thing. To blame this on the Devil? In  my eyes a man like that IS THE DEVIL!!!! Sorry, buddy. It was all you and still is!!!

 
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August 14, 2007, 8:01 am PDT

Saving Grace

I missed the original airing of this broadcast in April, but caught the first half of the re-run yesterday.  I can't wait to see the rest next week.  I'm usually a very laid-back person, but felt like punching grampa in the nose right through my TV set.  I'll bet Grace is not the only little girl he's given "candy" to and I can't believe Todd couldn't cry for his daughter, but cried for his dad.  Maybe someone should take a closer look at Todd.  Sometimes the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.  Perhaps he cried only because his father got caught.  And grandma...she's just as guilty.

 

My prayers will be with Grace.

 
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August 14, 2007, 8:17 am PDT

i know how it feels

i know how Grace is feeling. when  i was about 4  up till  i was 10  i was molested by my grandfather and my grandmother knew about it and did nothing to stop it. i am 30 years old now but that pain is still with me even though he is died and gone. but i would not allow grace to see her grandfather because to me that just brings all the bad memiories back cause i still had to look at my grandfather. and i still have to look at my grandmother everytime i go to my fathers house. the only thing i am glad is it was stop sooner then mine was and it seems that grace has loving parents that support her.

my prayers are with grace
 
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August 14, 2007, 8:40 am PDT

Total Betrayal of Precious TRUST

  I just finished watching Saving Grace. I am a mother AND grandmother. Right now I feel total outrage, disdain, and deep anger toward Anne and especially Steve. In my opinion, all I heard from Steve and Anne is how this whole experience has affected THEM. Thank you, Dr. Phil, for NOT sugar coating their actions and putting the stark truth smack dab in their faces. My blood simply boiled when Steve stated that his little 6 year old granddaughter would "like" grandpa to touch her vagina??? He instructed her to rub his penis and warned her that bubbles would come out and this is completely alright and normal for a little 6 year old girl to do this with her GRANDFATHER???!!!! That it would be the same as giving her a piece of candy???? He also stated that he didn't think HIS actions were wrong. INCOMPREHENSIBLE..... I repeat....

INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!!!

   Tell me Steve and Anne.... shall we, as a society, allow this to become a common and socially accepted behavior??? That ANY adult male has the right to commit such acts on a child.....or....is it just YOU that has that right  to do what you did simply because YOU people are the GRANDFATHER and GRANDMOTHER??

   Anne, you stated "You did the best you could do." I am unclear about your statement. You did the best you could do for WHOM?? It appears to me that you clearly decided to protect your husband and yourself by NOT reporting your little granddaughters sexual abuse to the authorities, your SON and your DAUGHTER-IN-LAW. Then.....you have the audacity to ask Cat and Todd, "What are YOU PEOPLE doing to US?" when they decided to rightfully prosecute.  SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU. What a complete disgrace to grand parenthood everywhere.

Cat...what a strong woman, mother and wife you are. In every mother's most wrenching, hurtful, devastating nightmare YOU have stood up for your little daughter and protected her and showed her that she is loved and WILL  ALWAYS be protected. My heart and thoughts are right there with you.

Todd...I felt that you are simply devastated that your own FATHER would do this to your baby girl. It is difficult to understand the sympathy you feel for your father but I think it perhaps is the loss of your father you are feeling because you will never see him in the same light again. Please concentrate on little Grace so SHE is safe and has the happy childhood she deserves. I hope she is thriving and putting this ugliness behind her.

 
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August 14, 2007, 8:42 am PDT

Stabbed in my heart

As I watched the show Saving Grace I became extremely upset, angry, and sad.  Sad for Grace, and sad for for myself. Actually I was crying through most of it.  I don't think a person who was sexually molested ever really "Gets Over It".  It still amazes me how people who do these things to little inocent children ( including pre-teens, and teenagers )  don't think it has any real lasting impact on them.  I do not believe that Grace should have to see them ever again, until she is old enough to decide for herself, this after having all of the counseling, and support from her parents, and professionals in the field of sexually abused children.  These two grandparents are despicable, the grandmother is as guilty as her husband.  She has shown that her alilgance is with her husband a guilty as sin child molester, and to think this is her own grandaughter, how disgusting!

I was molested repeatedly by my uncle.  He was my fathers sisters brother.  Just to reiterate what Dr. Phil said to this man about how he is no different from the usual stereotype of a molester, my uncle was a highly respected attorney in the city he lived in, was a retired Brigeder General, and a well known member of the church, who took me to Sunday school every sunday , and stood out in front of the church with my Aunt , and grandmother and shook everyones hand.

This started when I was about 4 years old, and went on for years until my Aunt died when I was 11 years old.  My parents moved from the city he lived in, and I would spend every other week-end at their house.  My father was an alcohalic, and my mother worked, and as sick as this sounds I found their home to be a calming one, because I loved my Aunt very much, and she treated like I was the daughter she never had, and it was a very refined atmosphere, except for the nights. 

I now wonder many times if she knew, and did nothing, because back then you just did not talk about anything like sexual abuse, children were to be seen and not heard, and children did not have any rights.  I did not tell anyone until I was 21, and that was my husband.  I told my Mother when I was 26, and she could not believe it.  Not him.  Looking back I can see that if I had told someone they most likely would not have believed me, and done nothing, because it would hurt his life, and my Aunt, and my cousin who was away at college, and 13 years older than I was.

I can remember all of this just like it was yesterday.  I can remember pretending to be asleep, and holding my legs together, hoping, and praying that he would stop, but he never did.  All of this was happening while my beloved aunt was reading in bed, and he was in my room on the pretext that he was reading me a bedtime story, and saying our nighttime prayers.  It seemed like he was in there for a long time, but I was only a child.  I knew it was wrong, and I felt dirty.  I ended up doing something called disassociation.  That is where you leave your body in your head. 

I do not want to appear that I am on the pity pot.  I do not think about it much if at all anymore, but I can tell anyone out there that this has  lasting damage on anyone  who has been  molested , and especially tough on those that were molested ,before there was an openness about talking to children about not letting anyone touch them, or do things inappropriately to them in a sexual way.  It is imperative that Grace, and all children who are victims of sexual child abuse get into good therapy, and recieve all of the love, and support they can get.  It is also important to remember that sexual abuse not be minimized by the degree of abuse.  Just becuase there was not penatration of the penis, it is still traumatizing regardless.  This is something that is very important when dealing with this inocent child. 

In my experience I had lost so much, to this day I still have horriable issues with self esteem, self worth, and allowing myself to be treated badly by people.  I was very promiscious, and was pregnant at 15.  I did not do well in school, and do not know how I graduated.   I though I was just slow or stupid of which I am not, I fairly high IQ, but I was disassociating  in class, and had a hard time keeping up.  No one cared to help. Oh I was Secratary of the freshman class, and also went to Tijuana for an illigal abortion in a house on a kitchen table.  I remember they asked at the border if this trip was for business or pleasure, and the response was pleasure from my Father, and Mother, and my Mothers sister.  The whole family knew about me being pregnent.  I was so humiliated.  Of course still no one knew about the past.   I married the first guy that i thought could take me away from all of it, and he is a good man, but  has been very verbally abusive, and has a short temper.  I have been with him since I was 20, and I am now 58.

I have never reached my full potential, and at this age have pretty much given up, on ever being a fully capable adult, with a way to take care of myself.  I have been full of fears all of my life, but do the best I can to wear a smile, and be loving and kind, and compassionate to all who know, and do not know me.  Life is not fair, but I have tried to make the best of it most of the time, but yesterday just hit me really hard.  I normally would not take the time to write a letter like this, but I felt compelled to be heard.  My Aunt died when I was 11, and the visits stopped, I never thought I would live past 30, but here I am a surviviour.  Please Catt, and Todd, Grace is your only priority, and do not let her near this so called grandfather.  I am sure my uncle molested his two beautiful little grandaughters, and had this happened to me today maybe I could have prevented it.  By the way this uncle became of all things a Juvinile Court Judge in So. Ca.  He died when I was in my late twenties, early thirties, and my husband and I went to his funeral.  I have never told his only son, my cousin, as he worshiped his father, and I do not see how hurting him now would benefit anyone.  He can go to his grave with his loving memories of my uncle, and I will have my own.  I pften think of where he would be today if this was happening, and I had someone to talk to , he would be in prison.  I try to keep him out of the prison in my head.

As an adendum, I called my own Mother yesterday, and told her to turn Dr. Phil on, and she missed all but the last few minutes, and when I called her to see if she had watched the show, she started to talk about another member of the family that had been sexually abused by penetration of the vagina by her step-grandfather.  Nothing regarding me.  That mdae my day for sure.

Protect your most precious gift on earth, the children.  Thank you for letting me share.

 

alk abou

 
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August 14, 2007, 9:15 am PDT

Makes me sick

I Tivo'd this and watched it this morning.   I cried for that little girl.  It made me so sad.  And this also gives me yet another reason why I do not trust "Christians".  And I never will.  How he so arrogantly sat there and proclaimed that the devil made him and he has now been saved, "again".   It figures that he would be a man that considers himself Christian.   Wanna know how many Christian men were arrested by my police department in and onlince solicitation of a minor sting?????   All of them said it was a moment of weakness but they found Jesus again as they were hauled off to County Lock up.......................
 
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August 14, 2007, 9:30 am PDT

Damaged for life

My next door neighbor molested me many times when I was five, on the day his mother came in the room, (my best friend was his sister) he got caught doing it, I was yelled at, he was yelled at ( he was 18) and the entire family moved away during the night. 

 

I have had uncles and brothers do the same things and have always had low self esteem, addictive behaviors that I fight hard to control, and severe depression. 

 

I feel "granpa" should be prosecuted and put in prison for one... granma needs to seek reality counseling and the parents should not see them again.

 

Grace will carry that all of her life, there are lots more kids out there now being damaged for life.... I have been through counseling, seen every sort of dr... new age, spiritual, you name it and it doesnt fix anything.  I have heard that I am handling it very well considering... well that doesnt help.  Child predators should be locked up, given hard time and NEVER released. 

 

Thank you Dr. Phil for not letting anything slide... I find that you are able to be polite, yet tell it just like it is... a very rare quality.  I love this show and I want you to know that I emailed the Canadian police with the details of the molestation (after 45 years) and hope to find out that the man is in jail or that just reporting it will help heal... something. 

 

It seems once a child is molested, it is like they are wearing a sign "abuse me"...that others can sense... I feel my life could have been so different had I not been sexually abused by the ones that did it.  Oh well.... I hope your show can help change the pitiful attitudes about deviant behavior and how it affects children.

 

 

 
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August 14, 2007, 9:37 am PDT

KEEP HER AWAY!!!

Oh what a disgusting pervert!!! Family or not, he & the grandma have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to see that child again!!!! The parents should not have had to even think about it if they loved their daughter!!! Children come first, you need to do what is in her best interests, who gives a crap what they want or feel they need!!! They forfeited their rights to see their granddaughter!!! She will understand when she is old enough and thank her parents for keeping her away!! I don't have any children but my god if I did and anyone, anyone I don't care, family or not, touched them, I'd kill them DEAD.  Where is the respect for the child??

As far as the father, you oughta be ashamed of yourself!!! Crying over your father and not what happened to your daughter, I'd watch out for you too!!! That is PATHETIC!! Why are you going to have children if you're not going to love them and care for them and be their protector?  If you really loved her, you would have wanted to send your disgusting perverted father to jail where he still belongs.  Do the right thing, be the loyal, protecting parent everyone should be and keep that child away from BOTH, because having failing to report the behavior, the grandmother is just as guilty as the sick perv.  Plus, they don't even give a crap what they have done!

 
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August 14, 2007, 10:37 am PDT

sex offender

 i saw this program yesterday.i say he will NEVER ,I MEAN NEVER change.my father molested me when i was nine.he said he wouldn't do it again.he didn't do the same thing he did the first time, but, there were other things that were inappropriate.if the parents of this child shoud visit the grandparents they should never leave her out of their sight.and they ,the parents should always tell her that it was not her fault.now my mother never said this to me.10 years later she told a minister of ours what had happened.but nothing was done.as i'm typing this i am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRY.in time i believe this child will be seeing a therapist.

 
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August 14, 2007, 10:46 am PDT

Know how it feels

OBOY, can I relate to this one.  Fourteen years ago, when my daughter was four, she came home from a visitation with her father with horror stories about what had happened there.  She told me a very similar story to what "Grace" told, just as I was tucking her into bed.  She also described oral sex.  Struggling to maintain my composure, I questioned her as much as I felt I could to get information without upsetting her (strangely enough, she didn't seem upset about it ...she told the story very calmly); read her a story, sang her her usual goodnight song, kissed her, and then RAN to the phone book to find a number to get help.  I found the hotline for abused children.  When I told them the story and said that I could not imagine her father doing this, and said she was only four years old, they said I needed to report the incident immediately to the authorities, and that it was their experience that a four-year-old child could not make up a story like this.  So I called the police, who located and arrested my ex-husband.  My daughter was brought in and interviewed by a social services worker at length while I watched behind a two-way mirror, but would not repeat her story, so he was released.

 

I immediately put her into counseling so that we could try to get to the bottom of this, but there was never any further mention of it.  Her counselor eventually determined that she had no stigmata of a child who had been sexually abused, and probably had either been allowed to view an video with inappropriate sexual content (which happened often when they were with their father) or had witnessed a sexual act between their father and one of his girlfriends. 

 

As the years have passed, my ex has done many other various bizarre things, always slipping through the cracks of the justice system, but has spent time in a mental institution and has been diagnosed as a sociopath with bipolar disorder.  So this incident my daughter described could very well have happened.  I left both of my children (my daughter and my son) in counseling for years to deal with the behavior of their father and the difficulties of growing up in a single parent household, and just the general difficulties of growing up in this day and age.  I am happy and thankful to say that my son is now in the Marines and my daughter is about to enter college.  Both of them are well adjusted.  She is bright, beautiful, and other than being a high achiever, seems normal in every way.  Their father is out of the picture.  But I will never, ever forget the horror of hearing my daughter utter those words.

 

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