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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 12, 2007, 1:01 pm PDT

Hyperemesis for 16 months

                                                             Dr. Phil

It made me sick to watch this.  I tried to read all of the messages on the board they too made me feel not so good.  I have 3 girls. (6 and the twins are 15 months)  They made me so sick I wanted to die.  I would love to share my experience with Hyperemesis however I do have 15-month-old twins.  I feel for Allison and her babies.  We will pray for them... Let us know if there is anything we can do.

N&J

 
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April 12, 2007, 1:01 pm PDT

Unless you have been there, you don't understand.

I have had HG three times. The first time I had it my mom was able to help me out for six weeks. I was treated with an IV.I started feeling better after the 12th week, but was vomiting until my son was born. The second pregnancy caused me to stay out of work 5 months. I was on bedrest, except for doctor's appointments. My mom lived with us for six months to help care for my first son who was 4 by then. I lost 43 pounds. Let me say that unless you have been there, you really don't understand. I was hooked up to a TPN nourishment bag 24/7. My husband, mom, and myself had to learn how to flush the line, and keep it open. I ended up with three different ports this pregnancy because of infection. I was scared to death that things getting pumped into my body would hurt my baby. During the 5 1/2 months of TPN, I also took Zofran, and made numerous trips to the porcelain bowl. Also, my son who was 4, started sleeping on our floor because "Mommy was always gone." I made numerous trips to the hospital. He continued doing this for a year and a half, until he was assured mommy wouldn't go away anymore. During my 7th month, my thyroid was taken out. THe doc tors found out I  had Graves' disease. After the surgery, I was able to begin eating again. My husband and mom cried when I first put food in my mouth. Was I going to do this again. Probably not. Then mom was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She loved her 6 grandsons, but wanted a granddaughter. We tried, and became  pregnant with a girl. The first 12 weeks were hell again, TPN again,,, hospital visits again... The list goes on. My mom died before seeing her granddaughter, but even when I was on bed rest, she was still helping out. THe bottom line is this, you don't understand unless you have been there. I had a great support system, but family and friends just didn't understand. Will I do it again, NO! We're done. To those women out there experiencing this awful disease, I do understand. Yeah, I can say it will get better, and it will. To those who have not experienced it, don't give advice, just be there to listen and help. It is physically, emotionally, and mentally  draining on the expectant mother, and the family.

Also, to Dr. Phil, I hope you read this. THanks for the show. It is wonderful that this disease has been exposed to the public.

 
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April 12, 2007, 1:02 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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I agree, she was taken advantage of (it's quite apparent) she should have those children back. I so feel for her. My husband's fiance' died when their child was 8 wks. old. he was out of his mind w/ grief and agreed to let his brother take care of his daughter and they said they'd help himlearn to deal w/ an infant . Once they had her they didn't want to give her back.   (THANK GOD he didn't sign custody papers) tho' they tried to convince him that the notarized paper he signed (so they could get WIC) was enough for them to keep her. I  told him B.S.  and we went and got her from her grandmother's (she was taken for a visit) that was 11and a 1/2 years ago...she's 13 now, and well adjusted.
OMG! How is the relationship between him and his brother now?
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:02 pm PDT

If

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Thank you for your thoughts. Do you not wonder where Ms. Quets support system was/is? If this support system existed, why was any of this allowed to happen? Unless, maybe her support system (friends and family) thought it best that these children were relinquished. And if there was no support system, then, again, I question her ability to "see around corners."

I really thought that we heard a very one-sided account of these events. I wonder if there is not a reason that the courts have not given Ms. Quets parental rights, since many judges seem to favor birth parents over adoptive parents in these cases.

If her support system was made up of people like me, then they had no understanding of this disease.  I was totally ignorant of it before this program.  From what I gather about it, it is an aggressively debilitating condition which more or less hits a person out of nowhere.  I would not have known what to do so I can't say she should have seen it coming.  The tremendous strain and emotional distress this apparently causes would certainly impair someone's judgment.  IF this was the case, the legal status of this adoption is questionable.  BTW, the courts do not give parental rights.  parental rights are considered natural.  It requires a court action to terminate them.  The question then reverses and becomes ..I wonder why the courts did not terminate her parental rights if there was not an outstanding issue to be resolved.

 

Please do not misunderstand me.  There are six adoptions between my two sisters, so I certainly have no issue with adoptive parents.  I have a feeling that, before all is done, the adoptive parents may be the final victims here.  Sadly, there is no way there will not be victims.  Thank you for your time.  

 
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April 12, 2007, 1:03 pm PDT

Surviving the after math of HG

My fiance and i found out i was pregnant the day i was taken to the ER. My fiance had come home from work to find me passed out on the floor, at the ER i was diagnosed with HG and that was the point my world turned upside-down. Because of my condition i could not work and everyone knows money is what makes the world go round. The bills started to pile up, my fiance was stuck working two full-time jobs while i lay in bed. Not only has our credit gone to the crapper but so has our relationship! I dont think anyone who hasnt been diagnosed with HG will ever truly understand what kind of effect it has on someones life. I felt like i was dieing and a couple of times i caught myself wanting to die.  My daughter arrived healthy and i no longer have my condition BUT the thing that most dont know about is the Forever lasting scares it leaves on your life. Im trying to keep my head up and i wish the best of luck to everyone who is suffering with this illness. Thanks so much to Dr. Phil for bring it to light!
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

Thank you for bringing this dreadful topic to air

I have suffered 4 times with HG. I could write tons of info here regarding my experience but do not want to rehash the hellish months filled with this condition.  I cannot complain too much because there are women who had it worse than I ,however, anyone who suffers from this even for a portion of their pregnancy has my prayers.  I lost my first baby to a miscarriage after 11 weeks and I think it made the MC even more terrible knowing that I sufffered and did not have a beautiful baby to be rewarded with.  I was able to get pregnant right away and I experienced HG once again.  Whenever I found out I was pregnant, I always felt like it was the "calm before the storm" knowing the onslaught of vommitting and excess saliva (needing a spit cup 24/7) weight loss etc.  I waited 3 years before my husband and I decided to have another baby.  Once again I had to be put on Zofran (thank the Good Lord for good insurance!) This medication was $80 per pill!  and it helped a bit but the always present nauseousness was there.  Not to mention all the other regular unpleasant symptoms of pregnancy on top of that.  NO ONE fully understands the extreme strain this can put on a woman and family members!  I felt so guilty for not helping out with my first son, house work etc.  I managed to work through each pregnancy and would just throw up in a trash can in my classroom closet when I was unable to make it to the bathroom.  Some how, it always worked out that my students were not around when I had to vomit.  The other thing I wanted to mention was how important it is to have a support system in place when this occurs. I was blessed to have a loving understanding husband and a friend who also experienced HG so we could support one another and complain as much as we wanted to each other.  Two years later I had an unexpected (but planned by God) pregnancy and once again had HG.  This time with a 4 year old son, and almost 2 year old son at home I decided I didn't have to work and took a 6 week leave and used most of my sick time to just stay home near the bathroom.  There were many times when I sobbed on the bathroom floor thanking God for the ability to have a baby (I felt so guilty feeling angry about the pregnancy when I knew there were many women out there who couldn't have babies) but wondering why I had to experience this HORRIBLE sickness!  I now have 3 beautiful boys and would not trade them for anything!  My  5 1/2 year old knows that I can't watch Bob the Builder because it makes me nauseous since he used to watch that each day while I was laying on the couch, the music makes me sick to my stomach and that was almost 6 years ago.  My last pregnancy I came across the HER foundation on line and it helped to see that so many other women experience this but I was also disheartened to see that there was not really a cure for it.  I pray that the airing of this program will help bring this to the public view and somehow funds will be raised to help find a cure for this terrible disease!  I pray that this mom in prison will get her babies back.  I also pray for the adoptive parents, having 2 adopted brothers myself, I know how hard this will be for them also!
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil,

Thank you SO MUCH for exposing HG!!!!  I am currently 9 months pregnant with my second child and I'm suffering from HG just like with my first!  I thank God for Zofran, without it I couldn't function!!!  I had to leave my job because I couldn't stay at my desk for more than five minutes at a time, then I couldn't even make it out of the bed and had to be hospitalized.

Six years ago when I was pregnant with my daughter, there was no medication which worked for me and Zofran had yet to be approved.  I lost 40 pounds during my pregnancy, my hair was falling out, my skin had a white ash (due to dehydration), I was vomiting bile and then blood.  After changing OB's twice and trying to convince medical staff that I didn't have an eating disorder, I finally found some relief.  i spent the majority of my pregnancy in the hospital hooked up to IV's or on the bathroom floor when I was home.  It is sooo painful that I recall my mother holding me while I cried and begged for it to just be over...I wanted to die!  You can't put into words the unbelievable pain...you contemplate dying all the time, there is NO relief...it's 24/7!  If that isn't bad enough, you have this little baby who you are trying to grow and care for but you just can't!  My daughter has been so frightened by watching me go through this that I doubt I will ever attempt another pregnancy.

 

If you don't suffer from this disease but know someone who is, PLEASE don't brush them off, don't tell them that it'll be over in three months...that it's normal!  Let them know you're there for them, hold them while they cry and love them through it!

I totally agree. I just posted my story too. That's it, unless you've been there, you don't understand. I hope you are on the mend soon.
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:04 pm PDT

When does hyperemesis stop?

     I have never had hyperemesis so I won't pretend to know what you all are/have gone through.  It sounds unimagineable.  From everything I have heard and read though, hyperemesis ends as soon as the baby is born.  If that is the case then I am confused to how Allison can use the disease as an excuse for being under diress if she was no longer suffering from hyperemesis and hadn't been for over a month at the time when she signed the adoption papers.  I totally understand that it affects you, both physically and psychologically, but it doesn't sound like it does 5 weeks after birth.  Any insight would be great.
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:05 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

i pray that this woman gets released from prison and gets her children back. and to all of you that are suffering from the same illness, i send you hope and strength... i hope you can get through this.
 
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April 12, 2007, 1:06 pm PDT

Absolutely

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I agree with you all the way until your comment about the purpose of the board.  The board is here for all opinions.  While we may have to put up with insensitivity, it is a small price to ensure a place where all people can voice their own thoughts.  I will advocate strongly for you in all other aspects of what you said.       You're right, everyone has a right to post their opinion whatever it may be.  However the point I was trying to make is that the same people who have these opposing opinions have never suffered HG, and will never know what it is truly like.  I would bet a gazillion dollars that if they had, their opinion, would be in support and would be happy that this topic was finally given some much needed attention and would be thanking Dr. Phil and supporting Allison. Thats all.
You are so very right.  I hope i did not imply that I felt otherwise.  Even as an ignorant and piggish male , I can see your point so very clearly.  I am grateful to him for this show as well. Best wishes.
 
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