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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 12, 2007, 10:29 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Taking THOSE kids??? You mean the ones that where taken from her after alleged coercion under duress???  Just think about that for a minute.
Obviously you have no idea what this disease does to you. 
 
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April 12, 2007, 10:37 pm PDT

Twin Kidnapping

Dr. Phil
As a birth mom to 1 child and an adoptive mom to 9 others I was to say the least offended and shocked by poor Allison. I also have a major bone to pick with you on this topic of the twins being abducted.
Let's start with the fact that while I can sympathize with her on her illness let's have a reality check. Allison may have been weak, confused, tired when she chose to sign those adoption papers the first time but she chose to go home and go back and sign again at a later date. Then, if I hear her right she also tried to place them with another family. Come on, how many times and how long do we let her play this coerice, weak, isolated, parent routine. How many times is she going to be allowed to emotionally ping pong not only those babies but the adoptive parents. The illness does not last for years after and as your show so graciuosly showed us today especially in the words of your staff's wife, she has gotten her life back on track so Allison needed to. When a baby is adopted those ARE the babies parents and for Allison to be so disrespectful about the twins parents she needs a wake up call. A parent does not necessarily mean the one who gives birth. I am the very proud mom to all our children, not just the one I gave birth too and I certainly was offend by Allison's irresponsible remarks. Allison to say they are not the twins parents is a crock. Is she still trying to use this sickness to justify and account for kidnapping those babes. Did she give a darn about the emotional abuse she was subjecting the babies and their parents too, I think not. When she stole/kidnapped those babies she broke the law just like you or I would be if we did that to someone elses children. She knew what she was doing yet she did not think twice how that might effect those babies down the road. How selfish and self serving. She wanted mearly her needs met and be darn to anyone elses feelings. Please she can not use this illness 18mths later to justify the kidnapping. Does she belong in jail, ABSOLUTELY!!!! She knew what she was doing, she knew that she did not have the legal right to take them but yet she did. If we as a society allowed this think about all the non-custodial parents who abduct their children, do we then say they too were justified and allow for a free for all tug a war/kidnappings because they too were under emotional distress. Think about Dr. Phil how many times is she going to use this excuse. God forbid she should get them back, toddlers are extremely active, I know I have 3 under 3yrs. What about when she gets exhausted after caring for them and can't handle it is she going to try and place them again and them take them back again. How many times does society let her emotionally abuse these children, I think no more. If she gets out of jail she should be barred from seeing them at all. Her wants and needs must NOTsupercede that of the children. Bottom line they are established in their home with their parents, yes THEIR PARENTS. She may have given birth but that does not in and of itself qualify her as their parent.
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April 12, 2007, 10:37 pm PDT

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I watched the second half of the show.  It is about more than HG too.  He could have addressed the HG without touching on the adoption issue.  I am happy for Dr. Phil for addressing the issue, but at the same time, it royally pisses me off that he refused to even address the adoptive parents as parents.  They are and have been for almost two years.  Blood does not make a parent, cleaning up puke, changing diapers, holding that child in the middle of the night, now that is a parent. 

 

The family has stated repeatedly that the adoption records are closed and that the kids story is theirs and only theirs. 

 

While I personally would not go through in this case, but I am not the adoptive parents in this case, and let me tell you.  If I were, Quets would have never made it to jail.  I would defend my daughter with life if it came to that. 

 

Do you know something that the rest of us don't.  Do you know that the adoptive parents were in the attorney's office. 

 

I think if anything the adoptive family is following King Solomon's example.  They are doing what is best for the kids and keeping them out of the media.  The adoption is legal and binding and like I said.  She knew going in what the laws were.  More than twice she considered adoption.  ONly one of the kids, both of the kids.  I have NO SYMPATHY for this woman.  Infantile Amnesia???  What is your earliest memory, mine is at age 3 at a preschool in Maine.  Reactive attachment disorder is not something that is easily overcome.  I know a couple who has been through it.  It's not so easy.  Whatever.  Dr. Phil totally disrespected the adoptive parents and that is what ticks me off the most.  He didn't call Alison or her attorney on the many holes in her account of what happened.  BTW, considering the adoptive parents are the kids legal guardians...how did Alison obtain passports for them.  additionally, she stated she hadn't really thought about it before she did it, but the problem is, passports take time.  She knew what she was doing and she had no intention of coming back.

 

And, just maybe, if she had been given her children back immediately instead of having to fight through the legal system for several months, reactive attachment disorder would not be an issue.  While I would have liked to have heard from the custodians myself, it certainly sounds like you are okay with the 911 call as long as the custodians were not in the room.  That just makes me uncomforable.  My husband and I have looked into adoption as HG has kept us from expanding our family.  I am all for adoption rights, however, I would never in a million years attempt to adopt a child while the birth parent was unable to make a solid decision. This must have been clear to them after the first incident of Alison withdrawing the paperwork.
 
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April 12, 2007, 10:39 pm PDT

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Obviously you have no idea what this disease does to you. 
Actually, I do.  I believe you misunderstood my post.
 
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April 12, 2007, 10:44 pm PDT

Thank You Dr Phil

I wanted to thank you for taking HG seriously and giving those of us who have gone through it a voice.  I would love to see another show dedicated to HG.  The more the word gets out, the more people we can help!  There is much to talk about: current research, ways to prepare for HG, different treatment options, and where to get support.  It is so devastating when people don't understand this disease.  It is devastating to the woman who is suffering from it doesn't know what is happening to her.  It is devastating when the people around the HG sufferer don't understand it and are not supportive.  It is vital that families with HG receive support.  Some families just don't make it without medical, emotional, and physical support. 

 

Let's keep spreading the word!  Let's campaign for more research!  I firmly believe that if men were the actual sufferers of this disease it would be cured by now.  It would not have taken this long to get just the tiniest bit of attention it finally has.  Don't get me wrong, many men, including my wonderful husband, suffered along with us and continue to support us in our efforts.  Historically, woman have not received legitimate attention in medical research.  "It's all in your head," or "You must not really want xyz," not to mention, "You're being hysterical" ...etc are phrases that are not new and have been applied to myriad of struggles women have fought hard to overcome.  Please help us reach as many people as we can and dedicate an entire show to the topic.  Thank you!

 
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April 12, 2007, 11:03 pm PDT

Thanks for Telling My Family

Dear Dr. Phil,

 

I was present at the taping of this show.  I am a 3X HG survivor.  I sent your staff a letter prior to the show but it is way to long to recount here.  I suffered severe complications that were life threatening due to DVT, a blood clot that in 3 weeks time grew from my pelvic region to just below my knee.  This happened despite multiple ER visits to address the severe pain I was in.  I was sent home each time with no diagnosis except that it was my first pregnancy and this was "normal" discomfort.  My blood clot most likely developed because at the time I was immobile in bed and dehydrated from HG.  I eventually got through to my OB that I thought I had a clot, it was then addressed, but the HG was still not aggressively treated.  My son was born after an early, induced labor due to the fact that the placenta was depleted with him not having grown during his last month in my womb and lack of fetal movement.  I believe it is a miracle that he and I are here on earth today.

 

Our family and friends did not understand what was going on in our house.  They knew I was sick but not HOW sick.  Your show today went a long way in educating them and hopefully many others.  I realize that not everyone will listen with open ears, judging only by their own experiences but to those that do open up to the facts of HG, thank you.

 

HG is a disease like any other.  It deserves funding for research into its cause and a cure.  A followup show specifically addressing this disease would be most helpful.

 

Again, many thanks,

Amy

 
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April 12, 2007, 11:21 pm PDT

Please show this episode again!!

Dr. Phil,

I may not be able to get my wish, like so many things I wish for these days, but I am going through the most severe and frightening health crisis right now and when I finally catch the only thing in the world in the media addressing hyperemesis gravidarum, I catch only the last five minutes of your show.  Regardless of that, I'd like to thank you from the bottom of my soul, which is mostly all I have left right now--a slight exaggeration, but not far off the mark!

 

I've read some of the online info from the show and it is so comforting to know somebody is just explaining for me and so many other women are living this condition I am now living.  After closing my internet business and being unable to care for even myself, let alone my husband and five year old for nearly four months, even the idea of this program gives me a rare shot of elation after feeling nearly dead.

 

The most powerful medicine I can take:

I am currently trying to conserve the oral pill form (which I can't keep down) of a medication that my insurance denied me in IV form.  The medication causes migraines for me, for which I can only take Tylenol, which I cannot keep down either

COST: It costs nearly $500 for FOUR DAYS WORTH of the GENERIC form of Zophran, which is the strongest medication I can get--and my insurance would only pay for four days of it per month.  Granted, it's expensive, but please, readers and viewers, keep in mind the burden on a family financially if this claim denial occurs!  Some women recover from this but many others suffer for 5 months, 7 months, or even the entire 9 months--living in and out of the hospital to get IV fluids and IV medications so they won't die.  Yes, die is definitely the word here.

 

The drug I'm unable to get enough of:

ZOPHRAN:  It's A DRUG DESIGNED FOR CHEMOTHERAPY PATIENTS SUFFERING FROM THESE SYMPTOMS-- to give the most unsympathetic respondents here some idea of how the condition operates.  THINK ABOUT THAT.  Can there really be so little sympathy for the woman at the center of the current controversy, if people knew just how frightening a woman's life could become suffering the full onslaught of chemotherapy-style symptoms but not being able to actually do anything effective medically for them because that woman is also simultaneously trying to preserve the health and well-being of her unborn child/children.  Imagine staring down the double barrel of twins, and to top that off, suffering with apparently no support system.  I am blessed to have a husband who can care for my daughter, who can cook and clean somehow helping us string along until hopefully things improve somehow.  He is sick and exhausted and works 60-70 hours per week at work only to come home to work full time here as well. 

 

BUT NOT EVERYBODY IS BLESSED WITH A SUPPORT SYSTEM  My own mother suffered this condition for 7 months with her second child and no support system, only to end up nearly dying of preeclampsia, which can cause stroke, seizure, and death for mother and child, etc.

 

Disclaimer with a catch:

I do not know the full story as of yet of the woman who gave up her twins, but I have wished many times that I was dead rather than suffer this any longer.  Release, during days and days of suffering, seems like such a desirable thing.  IF THAT WOMAN READS THIS, PLEASE KNOW YOU HAVE MY EMPATHY AND SYMPATHY.  I have wished I was dead and have had more dark moments that I can count or would wish to count.  I have wondered how many women seek abortion as a way to end this condition (since it quickly makes its presence known in the first trimester).  I would have to choose differently, myself, but could it be a thing of bravery just to suffer this just to give those children a chance at life, regardless of caving in to adoption at a terrible time of personal crisis and psychological chaos.  Trust this: the chaos is real.  THIS WOMAN WAS BRAVE ENOUGH TO CARRY THOSE TWINS AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO LIVE REGARDLESS OF HER OWN LONG SUFFERING....Every day society gives so much more credence to suffering for smaller amounts of time and suffering with no recognizable noble purpose beyond just a "will to survive."   Would it be that hard to have some empathy for this poor mother?  To say, at least, I can't judge because I just have never been there....would that be so hard to do?

 

 Mostly I hope that more people will now respect the condition more.  Morning sickness is terrible in its own right, I've been there.  But Hyperemesis gravidarum does truly mirror a terminal illness.  I am unable to leave the couch, and have not had a shower for months.  My husband has to guard me while I bathe laying down because I have gone unconscious while bathing in the tub.  Dizziness and nausea so powerful and sudden and yet naggingly constant--Acid reflux beyond gastro-esophogheal reflux disease to the point  that your stomach hates you, that you vomit all you have or ever had and then you vomit CUPS of thick acid or nothing for hours on end.  This is hard to read about and is not all there is.

 

I was asked in a routine medical questionaire during this if I had ever been bulimic, anorexic, etc.  My deepest reponse to anything in months came in the form of the answer: "Who the hell would do this to themselves...ever!."  And yet there seems to be so much more empathy for those who voluntarily do this as part of their disease or addictions than there seems to be for the mother highlighted in the show.  Regardless of her actions, the condition is just as severe and more dangerous in that it endangers more than just the life of the mother.

 

For my part, the hardest thing to suffer here is the loss of life and livelihood.  To not be able to go outside, on a walk, to not be safe to drive, to feel ill while being driven, to struggle to stay conscious while going up and down stairs, to be unable to stand and do laundry, or even sit here and type this letter for more than a few minutes at a time before needing to go lay down again.  These are the things that you can't do....and yes, they say that you should think about the baby or that you would feel better is you would just get up...(?!).  Patronizing a woman who wishes she could die, a woman who has suffered regular pregnancy symptoms and is well-seasoned to suffering in many arenas, is the worst a person can do--it signifies a lack of respect for her and also implies that she should feel, on top of her malaise and depression and trying physical symptoms, a guilt for feeling those things....that she is not thinking of the baby enough or that she should pull herself up by her nauseated seasick 24-hour nightmare bootstraps.  Mental toughness cannot control this condition.  Trust me, consant meditation, self-hypnosis, things I have trained for for success in natural childbirth, do nothing here.

 

Let me tell anybody who doubts this condition as a serious one, it is only made more serious by hardheartedness and carelessness of others.  Sadly, the very worst thing I suffer each day is my loss as a part of life, as a part of the lives of others.  I have become at a young age, critically aware of the way people abandon and forget you in times of trouble.  Where is that support system I gave so much of my own self to, in order to be there for others?  It's just gone.

 

People do not visit, they don't show they care, they don't listen, they don't show up to help.  All of the things I take time to do, that  people, in general, do for sufferers of terminal illness or chemotherapy or just plain grief and personal disaster they don't do for somebody who is suffering a complete breakdown of their home and work lives, destruction of their ability to cope or to take care of anything they are responsible for.  A friendly visit or phone call.....heck, showing up with a hug, a bowl of jello or a gatorade for mom, or a meal for the family of the woman who can't cook because all food smells make her more and more ill........PLEASE PEOPLE: do these things if you want to be full of tremendous self-pride, rather than judge next time you know somebody going through this!  This is not a hysterical play for attention and it is a serious detriment to women and their families. 

 
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April 12, 2007, 11:22 pm PDT

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 As an adoptive Mom I usually support the adoptive parents when birth parents want children "returned" from what is usually the only home they have ever known and where bonds have been established, but this poor woman was clearly too ill to make such an important  choice.  From the other voice on the 911 tape it also sounds like the lawyer was pushing her beyond what even a woman who recently gave birth to twins after a normal pregnancy could handle.  It seems as if he was thinking about collecting a fee to handle the adoption, rather than what was right for mother, babies, and possible adoptive parents.  If so, he should be disbarred.

 Someone in the justice system needs to step up and get this terrible situation straightened out immediately.  I understand with all my heart how it will hurt the adoptive parents if they have to give up the twins, but that seems, from what we have heard, to be the proper choice.  They would not want to be robbed of their children when they were sick and confused.  I hope they will be given children who have been properly released for adoption as soon as possible.

I am a mother of three. Never experienced an ounce of nauseau, illness at all. Consider myself very lucky in that regard. Very lucky. Not even the 3 month morning sickness that other friends endured. Have many friends who threw up on a continual basis.

 

This woman was extremely ill during her much wanted pregnancy. It is very difficult for me to understand how others do not understand how her mind was affected.

 

Did the "adoptive" parents understand how tenuous the situation?

 

 

 

 

 
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April 12, 2007, 11:26 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil
As a birth mom to 1 child and an adoptive mom to 9 others I was to say the least offended and shocked by poor Allison. I also have a major bone to pick with you on this topic of the twins being abducted.
Let's start with the fact that while I can sympathize with her on her illness let's have a reality check. Allison may have been weak, confused, tired when she chose to sign those adoption papers the first time but she chose to go home and go back and sign again at a later date. Then, if I hear her right she also tried to place them with another family. Come on, how many times and how long do we let her play this coerice, weak, isolated, parent routine. How many times is she going to be allowed to emotionally ping pong not only those babies but the adoptive parents. The illness does not last for years after and as your show so graciuosly showed us today especially in the words of your staff's wife, she has gotten her life back on track so Allison needed to. When a baby is adopted those ARE the babies parents and for Allison to be so disrespectful about the twins parents she needs a wake up call. A parent does not necessarily mean the one who gives birth. I am the very proud mom to all our children, not just the one I gave birth too and I certainly was offend by Allison's irresponsible remarks. Allison to say they are not the twins parents is a crock. Is she still trying to use this sickness to justify and account for kidnapping those babes. Did she give a darn about the emotional abuse she was subjecting the babies and their parents too, I think not. When she stole/kidnapped those babies she broke the law just like you or I would be if we did that to someone elses children. She knew what she was doing yet she did not think twice how that might effect those babies down the road. How selfish and self serving. She wanted mearly her needs met and be darn to anyone elses feelings. Please she can not use this illness 18mths later to justify the kidnapping. Does she belong in jail, ABSOLUTELY!!!! She knew what she was doing, she knew that she did not have the legal right to take them but yet she did. If we as a society allowed this think about all the non-custodial parents who abduct their children, do we then say they too were justified and allow for a free for all tug a war/kidnappings because they too were under emotional distress. Think about Dr. Phil how many times is she going to use this excuse. God forbid she should get them back, toddlers are extremely active, I know I have 3 under 3yrs. What about when she gets exhausted after caring for them and can't handle it is she going to try and place them again and them take them back again. How many times does society let her emotionally abuse these children, I think no more. If she gets out of jail she should be barred from seeing them at all. Her wants and needs must NOTsupercede that of the children. Bottom line they are established in their home with their parents, yes THEIR PARENTS. She may have given birth but that does not in and of itself qualify her as their parent.
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Child abduction is no joke but people, please have some empathy for the woman who lost them.  Somebody above mentioned that "cleaning up puke" is what partly defines a real parent, not blood.  Now whose puke are we talking about!

 

My perspectives follow later.

Thanks!

J

 
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April 12, 2007, 11:29 pm PDT

No Kidding!

Quote From: cashee

OMG! I know you weren't trying to be rude... but I feel like I just got crackered!

 

This is the problem with HG... it is not just simply feeling queasy.

 

It has nothing to do with what you are consuming! Imagine that you are only consuming water... filtered water if you like... you would still get this and not be able to hold that water down. ... I could not even keep down my own saliva! To imply that my illness was because of an unhealthy diet is infuraiting and just makes me feel even more like people do not understand this illness. 

 

It really has nothing to do with what you consume... although certain foods, smells, and even mention of those offending foods can be enough to make HG'ers vomit.

 

HG is not new... it's just that awareness is slowly starting to build.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil for helping to educate people about HG!

Sorry!  I have HG and we are all about organic.  When I can eat.  The truth is that there is no keeping anything down.

 

I do know it has to to do with hormone levels and think you could have some good ideas, but it is also universal and I have known many women, vegans, vegetarians, organic-purchasers, non fast foodists, suffering also.

 

Weight also seems to have nothing to do with it.

 
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