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April 12, 2007, 8:29 pm PDT

Diagnosis of HG

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At this point I believe that I may have suffered mild/moderate HG in both my viable pregnancies. But I hope someone can let me know what they think. With both my pregnancies I had horrible nausea and puked multipal times per day from 6wks till the day I delivered. I had gone to the hospital 2 times for dehydration and 2 times for preterm labor, both cases between 25-28 weeks. With my oldest son(6), my DR said there was nothing that I could take at that time for the nausea. But with my youngest son(2), she was able to prescribe Compazine which I took for my entire pregnancy. A couple of times I stopped taking it to see if I still needed it and sure enough I still needed it. I had not heard of this disease until this evening when I saw the show and now I wonder if I was afflicted with it.

HG is clinically diagnosed when vomiting and/or nausea are severe enough to interfere with daily activities, when weight loss gets to 5%-10% or more of pre-pregnancy weight, when IV rehydration is required to correct dehydration and metabolic imbalances. There's always a gray area, and some doctors are more apt to wait while others are quick to diagnose HG.

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April 12, 2007, 8:30 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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where was her sister and other family when she was contemplating adoption? If my family knew I was going through this horrible thing, I can totally see them rallying around me to make sure I didn't do anything I would later regret. Also there was only mention of a "boyfriend", no mention of the babies' father. I know this was invitro so does that mean she used a sperm donor or do these children belong to a boyfriend or something? I was just wondering.

But I think this woman totally needs to get her kids back. Any judge that doesn't see she was coerced is an idiot. My heart aches for the adoptive family but if it were me, I totally wouldn't want kids that I had to take from someone else in this manner.

Hugs and prayers to you, Allison!

Hi,

Just a thought on your comments, I believe you are right partly. I was not really involved with my family and we really don't know how involved she was with them at the time for them to get involved. See it all may look good now since they are on T.V. but, we don't now the relationship between them before. I do also agree with you she doesn't need jail time as she has suffered enough. I had HG also and it was horrible.

Good luck to you and your life. :)

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April 12, 2007, 8:32 pm PDT

Thank You Dr. Phil and staff

I just wanted to take a minute to thank Dr. Phil and his staff for putting together this wonderful show. Hyperemesis has never been in the spotlight, and those of us who have suffered from HG, have waited for this day for a long time. As a 2 time HG survivor, I was so excited when I learned of the show. As a member of www.helpher.org I was so pleased to see Kimber on the show. She has done nothing but great things for us, and she is always there when you need her. I encourage everyone who was touched by this story or illness to visit the website to see what you can do to help the foundation and the fight for HG research.

Words cannot discribe what HG is like. Torture doesn't even come close.

I hope that those who have said "It's just morning sickness" will see what pure hell it is to have Hyperemesis. I can only hope that now they will shut up.

Thank You Dr. Phil. Many women are grateful to you for covering Hyperemesis. I am one of them.

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April 12, 2007, 8:35 pm PDT

Allison My Prayers Are With You

Well I can't believe they have Allsison in prison instead of helping a mother in desperate need they have now taken her and put her through more hell. What kind of a system takes a mother and punishes her for being sick and needing some help. They are her children period. No one goes through everything she did to just give them away. She was also probably on top of everything dealing with post partum depression. She was desperate. Why couldn't anyone just lend a hand for this mother who was in desperate need of help. Of course she signed the papers she was desperate, exhausted, and couldn't make it one more step from exhaustion. Do you no how many times a mother wants to give up and walk away when she doesn't have a good support system. Why wasn't her sister helping her?That was all it was she needed loving supportive people to surround her and her babies and help nurse her back to health. Care for her children. Why wasn't anyone there for her? I remember when I went through post partum depression. I had no one. No one at all. I went down to 93 pounds and barley made it through this is a real issue women deal with as mothers on a daily basis if you don't have a supportive loving husband or family to take off there gloves, role up there sleeves and get to work life will slap you in the face as many times as it can. It sure gave Allsion a slap for being exahausted. I will pray for you you poor, sweet, dear mom who deserves your beautiful children back. How dare these people keep your babies knowing the circumstances. Shame on them. I think they should really think about charging them for kidnapping after all there not there children there Allsion's. It's a shame she's spending precious time in jail when she could be with her children she, concieved, carried, went through hell to bring into the world, and gave birth to. Such an awful shame.

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April 12, 2007, 8:46 pm PDT

it's about the babies

i am watching your show and i am sick about the fact that the biological mother of the twins is being held in JAIL! i will only say that under any circumstances, it is in the best interest of the babies NO MATTER WHAT to remain with their mother...babies are not commodities and there is severe post tramtic stress associated with seperating a child from it's birth mother. the bond between the adoptive parents and the children is of no consequence. i don't mean to be cold hearted, but it is ABOUT THE BABIES and what is best for them. and all adults involved need to know that there will be a lifetime of suffering for everyone if the babies are not reunited with their birth mother as soon as possible. if there were a situation where the birth mother was not able or did not want to care for the children, that would be another matter all together, this is not the case. there is a book called "primal wound" that ALL parents who are considering adoption, be that giving a baby away, or adopting baby. I AM FOR THE BABIES TO STAY WITH THEIR MOTHER! Sick or not, and her illness sounds horific, regardless the babies should be with their mother to avoid long term stress for and a host of difficulties for the children.

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April 12, 2007, 8:50 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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where was her sister and other family when she was contemplating adoption? If my family knew I was going through this horrible thing, I can totally see them rallying around me to make sure I didn't do anything I would later regret. Also there was only mention of a "boyfriend", no mention of the babies' father. I know this was invitro so does that mean she used a sperm donor or do these children belong to a boyfriend or something? I was just wondering.

But I think this woman totally needs to get her kids back. Any judge that doesn't see she was coerced is an idiot. My heart aches for the adoptive family but if it were me, I totally wouldn't want kids that I had to take from someone else in this manner.

Hugs and prayers to you, Allison!

I wondered the exact same thing.

I know not everyone has a great support system, but Allison did have a sister that we know of, and maybe more people to help her. I wonder where they all were too.

My mother moved right in with me for about 3 months after I had my son in 2003. I did not have HG, but I had congestive heart failure and nearly died right after he was born. I had and still have VERY high BP as a result of my pregnancy and needed a lot of help in the begining.

BTW, my son also needed surgery on his kidney when he was 2 months old, and that piled on top of my own illness, nearly did me in. I thank God for my husband, and my mother and the rest of my family. They really stepped up. My son was actually living with his godparents for the first week of his life while I was in the ICU!

I really hope Allison gets well, and some sort of justice can be found. It is a tough situation.

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April 12, 2007, 8:56 pm PDT

horrible hg

Thank you so much Dr Phil for putting this show together. My mother-in-law called me to let me know that it was on. Of course I already had it on TiVo. I had HG from 5 weeks until 20 weeks. It was the hardest thing that I have ever had to deal with. I had never heard of the diease. I was too sick to do any research. I was in the ER 6 times, dehydrated, before I was admitted and had a PICC line put in. I arrived my 6th visit with bleeding. I was sure that I was having a miscarriage. The doctors said that I may have been carring twins or it could have been a blood clot. The good news was that I still had one baby with a heartbeat. I'm still a little bitter about the fact that I think that the doctors could have done more faster. I often wonder if I would have had earlier treatment if I would have two babies instead of one. I said the whole time that I was pregnant that I would never ever do this again. Now that I am a mother I'm having a really hard time saying that I will not birth another child. After the PICC line and Zophan and steroilds and a lot of other medications I was still vomiting 20 plus times a day. After 6 weeks with the PICC line in it was infected and infected my blood. I had the line pulled out very quickly in the doctors office. The doctors called over to the OR to let them know that I was on the way to have another line put in my other arm. After a few quick prayers in the office with my husband I asked if I could try to go without another line. I was still very sick but I was able to keep enough down to keep from being dehydrated. I started with high blood pressure at 30 weeks. My son was also breech. They took him by c-section at 37 weeks. Praise God he was 7lbs 3oz and healthy. I try not to tell other women all of the details of my crazy pregency. I first of all scare them and then I get the look of disbelief. My own sister thought that I was being very extreme when she heard about how sick I was. She later learned with her second pregency that it was no joke. She ened up with a mild case of HG.

Does anyone have any advice on deciding if I should have baby number two? My current thoughts are that my son will need to be old enough to go to the bathroom on his own and get himself something to eat. I had to have 24 hour care. I can't imagine asking my family to take care of me and my son. I have a very loving and supportive husband but we have our own business and he has to be there to run it. Is it selfish to want another baby knowing what my son and family will have to go through? My son is 18 months old so I still have time to decide. If I go down this road again I will certaintly interview a few different doctors to find out how they would treat my HG. I would love to hear your thoughts.

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April 12, 2007, 8:59 pm PDT

give her back her children

what is the world coming to, taking children from a distressed mother,if you are going to lock her up,then everymother i know should show up at the jail,and ask to be locked up also. let this mother have her children,what is the matter with this .dont un derstand???????????????? sincerely kathy

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April 12, 2007, 9:11 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Thank you so much Dr Phil for putting this show together. My mother-in-law called me to let me know that it was on. Of course I already had it on TiVo. I had HG from 5 weeks until 20 weeks. It was the hardest thing that I have ever had to deal with. I had never heard of the diease. I was too sick to do any research. I was in the ER 6 times, dehydrated, before I was admitted and had a PICC line put in. I arrived my 6th visit with bleeding. I was sure that I was having a miscarriage. The doctors said that I may have been carring twins or it could have been a blood clot. The good news was that I still had one baby with a heartbeat. I'm still a little bitter about the fact that I think that the doctors could have done more faster. I often wonder if I would have had earlier treatment if I would have two babies instead of one. I said the whole time that I was pregnant that I would never ever do this again. Now that I am a mother I'm having a really hard time saying that I will not birth another child. After the PICC line and Zophan and steroilds and a lot of other medications I was still vomiting 20 plus times a day. After 6 weeks with the PICC line in it was infected and infected my blood. I had the line pulled out very quickly in the doctors office. The doctors called over to the OR to let them know that I was on the way to have another line put in my other arm. After a few quick prayers in the office with my husband I asked if I could try to go without another line. I was still very sick but I was able to keep enough down to keep from being dehydrated. I started with high blood pressure at 30 weeks. My son was also breech. They took him by c-section at 37 weeks. Praise God he was 7lbs 3oz and healthy. I try not to tell other women all of the details of my crazy pregency. I first of all scare them and then I get the look of disbelief. My own sister thought that I was being very extreme when she heard about how sick I was. She later learned with her second pregency that it was no joke. She ened up with a mild case of HG.

Does anyone have any advice on deciding if I should have baby number two? My current thoughts are that my son will need to be old enough to go to the bathroom on his own and get himself something to eat. I had to have 24 hour care. I can't imagine asking my family to take care of me and my son. I have a very loving and supportive husband but we have our own business and he has to be there to run it. Is it selfish to want another baby knowing what my son and family will have to go through? My son is 18 months old so I still have time to decide. If I go down this road again I will certaintly interview a few different doctors to find out how they would treat my HG. I would love to hear your thoughts.

There is a lot of advice on www.hyperemesis.org on this topic. I went on a few years later to have a second child after severe HG with my first. I prepared very thoroughly and did anything that might lessen my risk of HG even a little tiny bit. I cut out fat ahead of time as I had read high fat diets were occassionally linked to HG. I was well nourished. I also treated it aggressively from the first moment of any nausea. My theory on HG was that the sicker I got, the sicker I became. It spiraled out of control so quickly. And I had to keep it from rounding that bend from nausea and vomitting to full out HG ... which took only a few days that first time. I think doctors too often tell you to wait and by that time it's too late. So my doctor put me on Zofran almost immediately after I became pregnant. I also took Unisom and a Bcomplex vitamin. And I fought each sign of a nausea like I was killing an ant with an atom bomb. I fought hard and I did throw up but it never turned that corner. In fact, I threw up less times the entire pregnancy than I had thrown up in a single day with HG. I remember once throwing up as I walked down Madison Avenue and it was like 'blip' I threw up. No one even noticed. I thought 'wow, so this is what morning sickness is like?' Nothing like that relentless retching with HG that was uncontrollable, lasted for 30 minutes non-stop and took you to the ground. Astonishing.

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April 12, 2007, 9:12 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Thank you so much Dr Phil for putting this show together. My mother-in-law called me to let me know that it was on. Of course I already had it on TiVo. I had HG from 5 weeks until 20 weeks. It was the hardest thing that I have ever had to deal with. I had never heard of the diease. I was too sick to do any research. I was in the ER 6 times, dehydrated, before I was admitted and had a PICC line put in. I arrived my 6th visit with bleeding. I was sure that I was having a miscarriage. The doctors said that I may have been carring twins or it could have been a blood clot. The good news was that I still had one baby with a heartbeat. I'm still a little bitter about the fact that I think that the doctors could have done more faster. I often wonder if I would have had earlier treatment if I would have two babies instead of one. I said the whole time that I was pregnant that I would never ever do this again. Now that I am a mother I'm having a really hard time saying that I will not birth another child. After the PICC line and Zophan and steroilds and a lot of other medications I was still vomiting 20 plus times a day. After 6 weeks with the PICC line in it was infected and infected my blood. I had the line pulled out very quickly in the doctors office. The doctors called over to the OR to let them know that I was on the way to have another line put in my other arm. After a few quick prayers in the office with my husband I asked if I could try to go without another line. I was still very sick but I was able to keep enough down to keep from being dehydrated. I started with high blood pressure at 30 weeks. My son was also breech. They took him by c-section at 37 weeks. Praise God he was 7lbs 3oz and healthy. I try not to tell other women all of the details of my crazy pregency. I first of all scare them and then I get the look of disbelief. My own sister thought that I was being very extreme when she heard about how sick I was. She later learned with her second pregency that it was no joke. She ened up with a mild case of HG.

Does anyone have any advice on deciding if I should have baby number two? My current thoughts are that my son will need to be old enough to go to the bathroom on his own and get himself something to eat. I had to have 24 hour care. I can't imagine asking my family to take care of me and my son. I have a very loving and supportive husband but we have our own business and he has to be there to run it. Is it selfish to want another baby knowing what my son and family will have to go through? My son is 18 months old so I still have time to decide. If I go down this road again I will certaintly interview a few different doctors to find out how they would treat my HG. I would love to hear your thoughts.

I did it a second time - and well, it was hard on my little guy and our whole family. It was good to be informative about it the second time, so I knew what to do. I am so glad I had my second, but it was not easy at all. I am definitely not having any more children. My two little angels are so precious to me - I want to be around for them.

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Diagnosis of HG

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Allison My Prayers Are With You

it's about the babies

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horrible hg

give her back her children

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