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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 12, 2007, 9:16 pm PDT

Could this be a cause?

 

  Has anyone ever thought that the chemicals in food are messing up everyone's digestive system????

 

   I have made over 80% of my family's meals from scratch and we all still suffer from digestive problems. I raised chickens for eggs & meat, turkeys, & many vegetables (as possible).

 

   I beleive that ADHD, some autisms (maybe all) and many other problems come from allergies, esp. to chemicals in foods.

 

   When I was pregnant (five times), I had some nausea, but never noticed the hyperemesis prevailent in the past 10-20 years. The numbers are increasing. We are a fast society that has, freeze dried food-just add water. We can get an entire meal in boxes, dried & "preserved".

 

   I wonder how much of this is related to some of the "new" syndroms we're seeing occur.

 

   I would like to scream at the top of my lungs. I had an acqaintance say "I thought because it was in the stores, it was safe" (meaning all food), Are there any studies about this or are there too many lobbyists from the chemical & food companies running the show?

 

   I can not imagine going through what these women have gone through. My vote is for the Mom's.

 

                                  Cathryne Cox

 

 
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April 12, 2007, 9:26 pm PDT

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You had alot of courage to go on this show.  I believe that you really didn't deserve this to happen to you. My mother and I watched this show tonight and both feel very strongly about it. You deserve those children, if a mother loves her children to the extent that you do there is nothing you can really do to take that away from her. I hope you know that there are alot of caring people that do care about what you are going through and that are here for you. I am still in shock that something like this could happen in the U.S. its scary to think about. The laws here are very unfair in everyway. That Lawyer should have his liscense revoked. I wish you the very best and I will do what I can to help you get justice.
 
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April 12, 2007, 9:27 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

My daughter  (10 yrs old) and I both  watched your show in tears. :-( We felt for this woman who we believe was taken advantage of in a state of vulnerability due to her illness. As a mother, I understand her extreme measure of feeling no choice but to kidnap her own children in order to protect them/ and be with them. The lawyer who manipulated her should be ashamed of him/her self!  She wanted these children so much and to now be in Jail is not humane. 

 

My daughter Kellie (10 yrs old) wants to talk:

Hi. My name is Kellie, I agree with my mother that what happened to this poor Innocent woman is not right. She should not be in Jail for wanting to be with her babies. If you don't agree with me and my mommy put yourself in the woman's shoes. She was very sick. She wanted to do what was best for her babies. She thought she was going to die and why she decided to be manipulated into signing a contract from a very tricky/greedy lawyer...This lawyer, took advantage of her, also knowing that Florida has a "no cooling off period" for a baby less than 6 months. ALL I WANT TO DO IS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE> I want this woman to feel that she will be safe with her babies in the future and for god to protect her.  Our thoughts and prayers are for her. We hope god will do what is right for her and her babies.

 
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April 12, 2007, 9:29 pm PDT

Thank you Dr. Phil

I had hyperemesis with all three of babies.  I have never met or heard of anyone else that was as sick as I was.  My last pregnancy was like Meegan that you showed - I was on a Zofran pump for 7 months of my pregnancy,  I lived my pregnancy in survival mode.  All I could do was try to get through the moment, hour or day.  There was no thought of the future, because I was so sick, weak and tired I did not think I was going to make it through the day. After I had my babies I was so tired and weak from the pregnancy, and then add being a new Mom on top of that .... It took me months to recover.  Thank God I have wonderful, sweet babies and kids that make the pregnancies worth it, and I am so grateful for my wonderful husband that helps me through this process. 

After hearing Allison's story my heart goes out to her.  I can relate to the feeling that she had as she was pregnant, and how overwhelmed she must have been when she came home with her babies.  It sounds like she didn't  have a good support system to help her after the babies came home.  I hope that she gets her babies back. 

 
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April 12, 2007, 9:39 pm PDT

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If you had watched the second half of the show then you would understand that this was simply not a case of a birth mother "changing her mind".  She had an absolutely devastating disease that she suffered with for almost 9 months.  Imagine how you would feel if you had not digested ANY food or drink for that long.  The reason Dr. Phil did this show even when the adoptive "parents" did not want to participate is because he felt that what he learned about Hyperemesis was so horrible that it needed to be discussed on national television. 

I understand that adoptive parents go through a lot, but this is not about adoptive parents, this is about women with HYPEREMESIS!!!  Dr. Phil is a hero for finally given us a voice. 

When you were adopting would you have gone through with it if the birth mother had changed her mind at least twice in three days and even called 911 about it?  Although the adoptive parents were desperate for children, they should have seen these red flags and backed out themselves.  Desperation is no excuse for being selfish and irresponsible.  I would hardly call them gracious for agreeing to an open adoption considering that they had to meet with her for 11 hours to convince her to adoption at all.

The children may be affected by being moved at almost 2 years old, but if the adoptive "parents" had done the right thing, the children would have been back with their MOTHER a long time ago.  The children will recover from "reactive attachment disorder" easily since they have infantile amnesia until the age of 4 or 5 (the age when we all develop our long term memory). 

 

I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who can not give birth to children of their own and I think that adoption is a wonderful thing.  However, the point of this story is not about the flaws of adoption.It is about the fact that Hyperemesis is so harsh that it can cause a woman to make a decision that she will regret the rest of her life.  She is not trying to change the laws in Florida because she is too busy trying to get HER children back.  I pray that she does.

 

 

I watched the second half of the show.  It is about more than HG too.  He could have addressed the HG without touching on the adoption issue.  I am happy for Dr. Phil for addressing the issue, but at the same time, it royally pisses me off that he refused to even address the adoptive parents as parents.  They are and have been for almost two years.  Blood does not make a parent, cleaning up puke, changing diapers, holding that child in the middle of the night, now that is a parent. 

 

The family has stated repeatedly that the adoption records are closed and that the kids story is theirs and only theirs. 

 

While I personally would not go through in this case, but I am not the adoptive parents in this case, and let me tell you.  If I were, Quets would have never made it to jail.  I would defend my daughter with life if it came to that. 

 

Do you know something that the rest of us don't.  Do you know that the adoptive parents were in the attorney's office. 

 

I think if anything the adoptive family is following King Solomon's example.  They are doing what is best for the kids and keeping them out of the media.  The adoption is legal and binding and like I said.  She knew going in what the laws were.  More than twice she considered adoption.  ONly one of the kids, both of the kids.  I have NO SYMPATHY for this woman.  Infantile Amnesia???  What is your earliest memory, mine is at age 3 at a preschool in Maine.  Reactive attachment disorder is not something that is easily overcome.  I know a couple who has been through it.  It's not so easy.  Whatever.  Dr. Phil totally disrespected the adoptive parents and that is what ticks me off the most.  He didn't call Alison or her attorney on the many holes in her account of what happened.  BTW, considering the adoptive parents are the kids legal guardians...how did Alison obtain passports for them.  additionally, she stated she hadn't really thought about it before she did it, but the problem is, passports take time.  She knew what she was doing and she had no intention of coming back.

 

 
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April 12, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

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  Has anyone ever thought that the chemicals in food are messing up everyone's digestive system????

 

   I have made over 80% of my family's meals from scratch and we all still suffer from digestive problems. I raised chickens for eggs & meat, turkeys, & many vegetables (as possible).

 

   I beleive that ADHD, some autisms (maybe all) and many other problems come from allergies, esp. to chemicals in foods.

 

   When I was pregnant (five times), I had some nausea, but never noticed the hyperemesis prevailent in the past 10-20 years. The numbers are increasing. We are a fast society that has, freeze dried food-just add water. We can get an entire meal in boxes, dried & "preserved".

 

   I wonder how much of this is related to some of the "new" syndroms we're seeing occur.

 

   I would like to scream at the top of my lungs. I had an acqaintance say "I thought because it was in the stores, it was safe" (meaning all food), Are there any studies about this or are there too many lobbyists from the chemical & food companies running the show?

 

   I can not imagine going through what these women have gone through. My vote is for the Mom's.

 

                                  Cathryne Cox

 

No and yes...

 

I do think that the large amounts of processed foods we all eat are bad for us and our digestive systems

 

BUT

 

I do not think they have anything to do with Hyperemesis.  HG has been around forever (one of the Bronte sisters died from it).  In the distant past if you had it bad, you died.  End of story and no one talked about it.  Move to more recent times and you were considered mentally ill if you had HG so obviously no one was willing to talk about it.  Only recently has it been really identified and treated.  The ability of women to connect through the internet and the introduction of organizations like the HER Foundation have finally brought attention to the disease.  I first suffered from it over 18 years ago and I was not told it was a disease or had a name.  I think that it is only becoming more "common" because of an increase in general knowledge, not because of our food.

 
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April 12, 2007, 9:43 pm PDT

As an adoptive Mom...

 As an adoptive Mom I usually support the adoptive parents when birth parents want children "returned" from what is usually the only home they have ever known and where bonds have been established, but this poor woman was clearly too ill to make such an important  choice.  From the other voice on the 911 tape it also sounds like the lawyer was pushing her beyond what even a woman who recently gave birth to twins after a normal pregnancy could handle.  It seems as if he was thinking about collecting a fee to handle the adoption, rather than what was right for mother, babies, and possible adoptive parents.  If so, he should be disbarred.

 Someone in the justice system needs to step up and get this terrible situation straightened out immediately.  I understand with all my heart how it will hurt the adoptive parents if they have to give up the twins, but that seems, from what we have heard, to be the proper choice.  They would not want to be robbed of their children when they were sick and confused.  I hope they will be given children who have been properly released for adoption as soon as possible.
 
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April 12, 2007, 9:59 pm PDT

Affects of adoption

Hi, my name is Missy and am 33 yrs old. Watching the show today was difficult for me in a way that didn't have anything to do with the illness described. 21 yrs ago my Mom gave birth to a beautiful baby girl, and for many reasons, some that I am not fully aware of, gave her up for adoption. She was premature, and had to stay in the hospital for a couple months before being sent into foster care for a couple more, then adopted out. Around the time she was finally adopted out, my Mom finally told my sisters and I about her. You see, the whole time my Mom was pregnant, no one knew. She didn't gain much weight, wore baggy clothing, and hid it very well. My sisters and I did not live with my Mom full time at that point, she and my Dad were divorced and we lived with him. The only two people who knew about the pregnancy were my Mom and my step-Dad, the babys father. My whole life I wondered about my sister, and wondered if I would ever get the chance to meet her. My Mom was devastated about all of it, but never really let us kids know the extent of how hard it was for her. Every year on my sisters birthday, Mom would get very depressed. My other 2 sisters and I always knew to call and talk with her on that day, to try and cheer her up. The baby had a name given to her by my Mom, Erica, and we considered her our sister always even though we never knew her. In 2003 Mom was diagnosed with lung cancer, 2 yrs after my step-Dad had died in his sleep. She passed away in June of 2004. In the time that followed, my sisters and I always talked about trying to find Erica, but never really knew how to go about it. Plus we were scared, did we want to throw this girls life into upheaval? Did she even know she was adopted? By some great miracle of God, we never had to worry, because that beautiful girl was trying to find us, and she did. When she turned 18 she started the necessary steps to find her birth mother. It took her almost 3 yrs, but she finally got all the information she needed. Sadly, through the process of searching, she also learned that her birth mother AND father had both passed away. In January of this year she contacted us, and we met her. I thank God every day for giving her back to us, although its so hard knowing she will never know our Mom. Also sadly, we have found that her relationship with her adoptive mother is not a good one, and her adoptive father passed away last year. It was difficult today to watch how devastating it is for Allison to not be with her children. I know some people will say "She gave them up, now she has to live with it". I would like those people to know that the reasons for giving up a child, or in Allisons case children, are not always easy ones. In her case, I don't believe she would have ever done that if she had not been ill. I pray she will get the chance to be a mother to those beautiful children again. I know first hand the affects that adoption can have on a family, and not just the mother or child given up, but the rest of the family too.
 
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April 12, 2007, 10:09 pm PDT

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Quote From: coxcathryne

 

  Has anyone ever thought that the chemicals in food are messing up everyone's digestive system????

 

   I have made over 80% of my family's meals from scratch and we all still suffer from digestive problems. I raised chickens for eggs & meat, turkeys, & many vegetables (as possible).

 

   I beleive that ADHD, some autisms (maybe all) and many other problems come from allergies, esp. to chemicals in foods.

 

   When I was pregnant (five times), I had some nausea, but never noticed the hyperemesis prevailent in the past 10-20 years. The numbers are increasing. We are a fast society that has, freeze dried food-just add water. We can get an entire meal in boxes, dried & "preserved".

 

   I wonder how much of this is related to some of the "new" syndroms we're seeing occur.

 

   I would like to scream at the top of my lungs. I had an acqaintance say "I thought because it was in the stores, it was safe" (meaning all food), Are there any studies about this or are there too many lobbyists from the chemical & food companies running the show?

 

   I can not imagine going through what these women have gone through. My vote is for the Mom's.

 

                                  Cathryne Cox

 

OMG! I know you weren't trying to be rude... but I feel like I just got crackered!

 

This is the problem with HG... it is not just simply feeling queasy.

 

It has nothing to do with what you are consuming! Imagine that you are only consuming water... filtered water if you like... you would still get this and not be able to hold that water down. ... I could not even keep down my own saliva! To imply that my illness was because of an unhealthy diet is infuraiting and just makes me feel even more like people do not understand this illness. 

 

It really has nothing to do with what you consume... although certain foods, smells, and even mention of those offending foods can be enough to make HG'ers vomit.

 

HG is not new... it's just that awareness is slowly starting to build.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil for helping to educate people about HG!

 
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April 12, 2007, 10:16 pm PDT

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Allison , even though she had a disease when pregnant and gave her children away..When she took those kids and left the country she broke the law..That is the bottom line..It has nothing what so ever to do with a disease she had whild pregnant...She broke the law whewn taking those kids out of the country and should be punished accordingly........
Taking THOSE kids??? You mean the ones that where taken from her after alleged coercion under duress???  Just think about that for a minute.
 
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