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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 13, 2007, 5:58 am PDT

Twin Tug of War

This show was the first time I had ever heard of hyperemesis, and it sounds like a horrific condition. I've read many of the stories on the message boards from mothers who have suffered from this disease, and the stories really tugged at my heart - so much so that I felt compelled to write in. Allison's story is heartbreaking...it is unfortunate that she didn't have more family and loved ones around to help support her in the aftermath after the twins were born. But it seems completely obvious watching the show & hearing the evidence -- that she was NOT in a normal frame of mind when she signed the adoption papers. The 911 call...11 hours at the lawyer's office...she was severely dehydrated, probably delusional & her body was in a depleted state from months & months of suffering from severe hyperemesis... not to mention there might have been some post-partum depression involved. And as the biological mother who LOVES those children as much as she does, I strongly feel that those children belong with their mother. I can't imagine being told that I could see my children for a 24-48 hour period of time every THREE weeks! I'm not saying she was justified in taking the children across the border to Canada, but I can understand her motive -- and she always had the children's best interest at heart. I don't feel she should be punished for wanting to be with her children.

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:08 am PDT

we need more exposure

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Dear Dr. Phil,

 

I was present at the taping of this show.  I am a 3X HG survivor.  I sent your staff a letter prior to the show but it is way to long to recount here.  I suffered severe complications that were life threatening due to DVT, a blood clot that in 3 weeks time grew from my pelvic region to just below my knee.  This happened despite multiple ER visits to address the severe pain I was in.  I was sent home each time with no diagnosis except that it was my first pregnancy and this was "normal" discomfort.  My blood clot most likely developed because at the time I was immobile in bed and dehydrated from HG.  I eventually got through to my OB that I thought I had a clot, it was then addressed, but the HG was still not aggressively treated.  My son was born after an early, induced labor due to the fact that the placenta was depleted with him not having grown during his last month in my womb and lack of fetal movement.  I believe it is a miracle that he and I are here on earth today.

 

Our family and friends did not understand what was going on in our house.  They knew I was sick but not HOW sick.  Your show today went a long way in educating them and hopefully many others.  I realize that not everyone will listen with open ears, judging only by their own experiences but to those that do open up to the facts of HG, thank you.

 

HG is a disease like any other.  It deserves funding for research into its cause and a cure.  A followup show specifically addressing this disease would be most helpful.

 

Again, many thanks,

Amy

Please have more shows on this topic

My first child was born 18 years ago and I suffered tremendously .I did not have any of this info I thought  I was the only one who got that sick.I had my second child 8 years ago and I was told by my OBGYN that I had the most sever case he had seen .Now I am seeing that there are more people that suffer with this .IT is a real disease . I would love to have more children i just wish there was a doctor that SPECIALIZED in this only.Do you know any?I know it will happen to me again I had to terminate 2 pregnancies that started off as hyperemesis in like 4 weeks preg.I was unable to work so I had to terminate them.

Help me I want 1 more baby .Is there any thing I can do before trying to have another baby that may help????

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:12 am PDT

Me too!

 

  I don't know how I feel about HG as an excuse for signing adoption papers 5 weeks after a healthy delivery but I do know that HG is horrible and I will not judge her experience. I would recount my story but it is so similar to all of you who have gone through it except maybe that my kidneys shut down and caused some extra worry. My incredible little boy is almost 9 years old now, a straight A student, and complely healthy. When I went through HG I was alone there was no HER or Dr. Phil show to let me know I wasn't crazy. I have remarried since then and my husband and I are considering trying for a baby. I am scared but know that if I must endure HG again I will have the support Kimber gives so freely, finding your site was a huge blessing.

Dr. Phil please do a WHOLE show on HG, you never know who is out there alone, sick, and scared. We need you to help educate!

THANK YOU!!

 

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:22 am PDT

I agree, sort of...

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Personally, I think Allison is a bad choice to represent women with Hyperemesis, because she has some serious and unresolved mental disturbances.  How do I know this? Well, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that it oozed from her every pore could it?  It came through in her affect and her answers.  It's great to draw attention to your cause, but don't be so desperate to do it that you attach yourself to a crazy person.

 

I shudder to think of those babies going back into that woman's hands.  I also question the integrity of her attorney for pursuing such a matter. 

 

Most of all I wonder about this phenomenon of the limelight, because it sure does make people do some strange things.  One thing I like about Dr. Phil is is doesn't seem like he has compromised himself to get where he is that comes through on his show.  He's never afraid to say what he thinks.

 

Meanwhile, legions of women have rallied behind Allison getting her kids back without even taking a good look at her the media momentum is frightening and I hope it won't have any sway in a courtroom. 


I think the people in the courtroom are going to be looking at the family that Allison is threatening to divide.  They are going to be hearing both sides of the story  and, as Dr. Phil reminded us, there are two sides.  Even the one side that Allison and her attorney presented today didn't paint her in such a favorable light. 

 

Allison needs help she shouldn't be languishing in a jail cell but she shouldn't be allowed to divide up and traumatize a family, either.

I think that Allison needs to be evaluated psychiatrically before she is given her children.  I doubt that she's still throwing up, but she may still have some instability related to the loss of nutrients (electrolytes) to her brain. 

 

However, I think that Allison has a right to an attorney like everyone else, who is supposed to represent you and protect your rights ( yes, even "unstable" people still have civil rights).  The attorney may keep her from rotting in a prison cell for something she did under mental and physical duress.  Maybe she can get her into a good treatment facility to help rehabilitate her pathological thinking processes.

 

Should a mentally ill person be held accountable for a law broken as a result of the mental illness?  Hmmm...

 

Then, there's the matter of who gets the twins.  Will the courts honor the document signed by Allison- because it may still be legally binding?  Surely they granted temporary custody so the children could be cared for.  If Allison goes thru treatment and is "cured", would she have to start over and fight the legal documents that she signed under duress?  Would the court grant her custody based on her past instability?

 

 

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:26 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Cathryne,

 

Hello! Thank you for posting your comments. I do agree. It appears to me Alison was obese in the photograph that was displayed before she was pregnant,  I feel if she would have been a smaller size 6 , adopted a healthier lifestyle eating natural foods containing no chemicals,  and been in top physical shape before she got pregnant , the symptoms would not have been as extreme.

 

My physician "female" told me in her office (She's in Columbia , SC and has a large practice. She's the VP of the School of medicine at usc also) the growing trend today is woman having babies over 40.  As a noticeable pattern she See's and has contact with on a day to day basis, the woman who are in top shape physically, smaller size 6 and have chosen to adapted a healthier life styles by eating natural foods before they get pregnant and maintain that pattern during it are the woman 9 .5 times out of 10 who don't have or have a small amount of problems or complications during their pregnancy. 

 

Patrice
 

Then please tell me how I got HG?

 I got HG at 29 I am young and at peak age to give birth. I was also active in Kung Fu very fit and ate a very healthy diet.

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:27 am PDT

My experience with Hyperemesis

I am incredibly grateful that Dr. Phil did a show addressing the issue of Hyperemesis and wish I had known more about it when I first got pregnant in November 2005. I was sick even before the pregnancy test came back positive and kept thinking it would get better. I was very wrong. I ended up out of work before the end of my first trimester after passing out from dehydration and spending more time in the hospital than I did in my office. My doctor kept trying to reassure me that things would get better...we tried many antiemetic medications to no avail. Things got progressively worse and in the end I had to have a catheter placed in my chest to receive TPN feedings (two PICC lines were attempted but neither worked). Ultimately my daughter was born nearly 6 weeks early (will never actually know if the Hyperemesis played a part in that) and thankfully she is healthy, showing no effects from my malnutrition, weight loss and overall illness. To this day, 9 months after my daughter's birth,  I have so many food aversions as a result of vomitting so much and the memories I associate with food.

 

And for anyone who feels that more should be done to protect women in the workplace who suffer this disease..you are right. I suffered a huge financial blow because of this, but I'm one of the luckier ones, I didn't lose my job. Unfortunately, my employer (I'm a federal employee) don't believe that short term disability is a good idea, or that would have atleast provided me with one less thing to worry about.

 

 

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April 13, 2007, 6:29 am PDT

twin tug of war

I think that this poor lady was being used by her ex-boyfriend. Did he get money for the children or was her getting out of child support? I think Dr.Phil should have a petition so she can get her babies back! I would sign in a heartbeat!!!!!! Please help her and get her some professional help if and when she gets them, with dealing with this. I would like to see and update!!!!! I know she did not try so dang hard and spend so much money to get pregnant just to give up!!!!!!!
 
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April 13, 2007, 6:30 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Please have more shows on this topic

My first child was born 18 years ago and I suffered tremendously .I did not have any of this info I thought  I was the only one who got that sick.I had my second child 8 years ago and I was told by my OBGYN that I had the most sever case he had seen .Now I am seeing that there are more people that suffer with this .IT is a real disease . I would love to have more children i just wish there was a doctor that SPECIALIZED in this only.Do you know any?I know it will happen to me again I had to terminate 2 pregnancies that started off as hyperemesis in like 4 weeks preg.I was unable to work so I had to terminate them.

Help me I want 1 more baby .Is there any thing I can do before trying to have another baby that may help????

Yes on the HER forum we have a section for people working on having a second baby.

I also terminated a few times before knowing what was so wrong with me. Big HUGS to you!

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:34 am PDT

Is Allison the BIOLOGICAL mother of the kids?

Dr Phil,

I love ya Man but I think you either agreed not to ask some key questions or ya just dropped the ball. 

 

Did you think to ask Allison if she is biologically related to these kids?  If she became pregnant via invitro after TWO PLUS YEARS of treatment at the age of 47+ the liklihood that she was able to use her own eggs to conceive these kids is pretty low.  She indeed gave birth to them but it doesn't mean she is the biological natural parent of these kids.  Decisions on their future needs to be made using the full uinderstanding of the whole truth.  If she is not biologically related to them then consideration needs to be made on whether or not giving birth to them alone supercedes the life they have had for 20 months with their adoptive parents. 

 

Secondly, it has been reported that she spent her life savings (400K) on legal assistance after placement to have the adoption overturned.  With that kind of financial where with all, did you think to ask her WHY she didn't hire round the clock nanny's and nurses?  She was formally a big shot  Engineer at Lockheed... surely she knows about in home 24 hour Nannies???  Her reasoning for placing them was she wasn't able to care for them because she was so sick but she didn't even THINK to hire a 5-600 dollar a week Nanny?  She obviously had significant financial assets that could have secured round the clock care for both her and the kids.  That just does NOT make sense.

 

Lastly, why were the kids released from the hospital with an obviously gravely ill post ceserean Mother of mulitples?  Was there any social service involvement before she left their care?  How did she convince the Hosptial staff that she was able to care for the kids in her depleted near death condition? 

 

Kurtisgirl

 

 
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April 13, 2007, 6:35 am PDT

I agree with you

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Dr. Phil,

 

Thank you so much for addressing HG and for assisting Allison with addressing her medical condition so that the nation can begin to understand her story and not miss the 'duress' portion.

 

Please consider taping and airing an entire show or a series of shows addressing all of HG. There is so much more to this disease and clearly many whom have not suffered from it still do not get the full picture (based on your message board) and those of us who have dealt with it could really use your help. Here are some suggested topics to think about covering withing HG:

 

1. Telling the story of the countless women who had HG 10-50 years ago who never had help because OBs didn't know what to do. (There are still women today that deal with this even though it's more widely discussed among OB professionals.)

2. Addressing how family members don't know who to cope with it. This disease hits really hard when family members (parents, spouses, etc.) tell the woman "it's all in their head" or "to just get up and do something, don't just lie there," etc.  Additionally, these family members can get very frustrated, thus verbal abuse and potentially physical abuse (through denial of help) can easily take place.

3. Addressing the children and their needs while they wait for mommy to give birth.

4. Addressing the pain endured by the marriage while everyone waits for HG to end. This is the big ticket!! Marriages suffer, hurt and they simply are on hold while the wife is very ill and nearly non-existant in the marriage relationship and the husband is left to tend to his wife's every need, hold his job to financially support the family, accept that there will be no physical contact and intimacy until the wife heals from the pregnancy, and in many cases can't even be in the same room as his wife because his smell will make her vomit. This is so distructive and yet we HG survivors have endured it, are dealing with it and no one knows how to help. Then, once the pregnancy is over, if the marriage is still in existance, both have to some how adjust to life with a new baby (if all goes well with the pregnancy) while spending a significant amount of time trying to heal the marriage and repair all of the damage from the pregnancy. My husband and I actually devoted an entire year to this healing process. This means I planned not to work and instead spend time at home to help our older child heal from missing me so much through pregnancy and help our marriage heal. Intimacy is the hardest obstical to over come for a HG mom.

5. Finally, helping the HG mother heal emotionally. We moms feel robbed of so many joys as our pregnancies are nightmares. We are damaged and have a hard time looking at food for several weeks post-partem and live with fear that we might get sick again. We never want to be pregnant again, and thus deal with the loss of knowing we can't have more kids unless we are blessed through adoption. It's a rough rollercoaster. We are also so scared of intimacy for several reasons and we often times can't stand the our home. I actually repainted our house and got all new furniture during my healing process because I couldn't stand being in the bedroom that I spent countless hours getting sick in.

 

This disease is so hard to over come. So much more needs to be addressed. And yes, so many health care professionals don't get it! I had great treatment during my last pregnancies, but when I went to tell them about the show... it fell on death ears and I left the conversation feeling as though they look at me as a wack-o. Very sad. It's not just morning sickness or a bad case of the ickies (as I commonly heard)... it's so much more.

 

Thanks again Dr. Phil.

I totally agree with everything you have written.

 

The worst part is that after everyone has fallen to the side while you have this disease, your husband is often the only person left to help you. ... It is hard to have a normal and healthy relationship with your husband when it gets eroded so badly. HG is a huge stressor for husbands who have to fight along with you to get help... sometimes they are your only advocate (if you are even that lucky).

 

...It is difficult to have a normal relationship with someone if they can not come near you because their smell makes you vomit. ... My husband had to wash with an unscented soap, use a certain shampoo, stop wearing cologne, and had to brush his teeth before coming near me and sometimes that wasn't even enough.

 

To save our marriage we entered marriage counselling for the duration of the pregnancy. I highly recomend any couple going through HG to do the same.

 
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