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Topic : 04/12 Twin Tug of War

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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 13, 2007, 8:34 am PDT

Not saying she's "crazy"...

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HG is not a mental illness. This disease can lead to post traumatic stress disorder but this illness does not mean that she is or was "crazy" . I highly doubt that she is mentally unstable. She obviously needed help and didn't know what else to do since the only "assistance" she received was pressure to sign over her children.

 

 

This is why it's such a touchy subject.  You have a lot of women advocating for Allison (which is good), but you have a lot of women thinking with their "mommy" empathy.  I'm advocating for not only Allison herself, but for the safety of her children. 

 

We don't really know Allison's state of mind at this point, or if she would even make a fit parent.  I don't know her personally, but I know what happened, and I'm using that to go on.  She needs help for what the HG DID to her mentally and possibly PPD.  Would you give children to a woman with PPD who seems unstable?  It's the same situation with her, she needs treatment, NOT to sit in a jail cell.

 

Meanwhile, those children NEED care...who should get custody while mom is in prison/going thru treatment?

 
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April 13, 2007, 8:36 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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HG is not a mental illness. This disease can lead to post traumatic stress disorder but this illness does not mean that she is or was "crazy" . I highly doubt that she is mentally unstable. She obviously needed help and didn't know what else to do since the only "assistance" she received was pressure to sign over her children.

 

 

HG is not mental illness, but Allison seems mentally ill.  Hopefully, they will give her a complete psychological evaluation before giving the twins back to her.  And, any kind of foundations for HG should have made such considerations before making her their poster child.

 
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April 13, 2007, 8:59 am PDT

twins kidnapped

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First, the attorney who accepted her paperwork after she called 911, and her erratic behavior should be disbarred immediately!!!!!!! However, the real issue is the adoptive parents. Talk about nasty people!!!!!! How dare they not return a woman's children who changes her mind immediately. It is the moral thing to do. I think of them as vultures, preying on this women and I believe they are the real kidnappers. Im think someone received money in this situation perhaps the ex boyfriend? Who do these adoptvie parents think they are? They should be sitting in jail not the birth mother.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! SHE CHANGED HER MIND IMMEDIATELY...OH PLEASE, are we talking the first time, the second time. How many times do you think she is entitled to change her mind. How many times can she emotionally abouse the twins and their parents???? What emotional damage do you think she inflicted on them when she kidnapped them. Then do you think it's ok for non-custodial parents who divorce to kidnap their children because they are going through emotional turmoil over not having their kids, there is no difference between them and Allison.  She did the crime(kidnapping) now she needs to buck up and pay for those irresponsible decision. Bottom line!!!!

 
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April 13, 2007, 9:56 am PDT

Every HG Survivor is Poster Child for HG!

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HG is not mental illness, but Allison seems mentally ill.  Hopefully, they will give her a complete psychological evaluation before giving the twins back to her.  And, any kind of foundations for HG should have made such considerations before making her their poster child.

First of all... every woman who has had HG is welcome to represnt HG! Every woman's experience is different. Also, every woman's reaction to this disease is different. I thank Allison for bringing HG into the spotlight. There are too many people ignorant of the effect this disease has on women and thier familes. Even the medical profession is often ignorant of it. Thank you Allsion and thank you Dr. Phil for putting the spotlight on HG. And thank you to the HER for supporting ALL women with HG.

 

I would not be surprised if Allison has been suffering from PTSD. That would surely lead to the reactions she has had. After being afraid of losing her own life and that of her babies for her whole pregnancy... and then at the end of it (after 5 weeks), having her worst nightmare come true would be absolutely horrific. I can't say that I would not have had the same reaction she did.

 

With HG you lose all control because you just can't physically do anything. Then she lost all control over her babies when they took them away. This was her desperate attempt to regain control over her life again and to be with her babies.

 

 

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:04 am PDT

Give This Lady her Babies Back!!!

 I cannot beleive for the life of me that someone could be so insentive to take advantage of someone so sick and vulnerable. Especially to take her babies.!We need to all get together and do something to help Grace get out of jail where she don't belong and back with her babies. I do not feel bad for the couple who now has the children because I feel like the couple knew they were getting away with something and I don't feel like the couple had the children long enough to form a strong bond before finding out that Grace wanted her babies back.  I wonder what the underlying story really is in this case. Did Grace's guy friend have Grace at the lawyers office for hours on end have Grace's best interest at heart or is there a chunk of money involved for him? I'm sure we'll find out as this story unfolds.

 

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PLEASE BE THE LEADER IN LETTING THOSE OF US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET GRACE OUT OF JAIL AND GET HER BACK WITH HER BABIES WHERE THEY BELONG!!!!

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:16 am PDT

Must Be

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GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! SHE CHANGED HER MIND IMMEDIATELY...OH PLEASE, are we talking the first time, the second time. How many times do you think she is entitled to change her mind. How many times can she emotionally abouse the twins and their parents???? What emotional damage do you think she inflicted on them when she kidnapped them. Then do you think it's ok for non-custodial parents who divorce to kidnap their children because they are going through emotional turmoil over not having their kids, there is no difference between them and Allison.  She did the crime(kidnapping) now she needs to buck up and pay for those irresponsible decision. Bottom line!!!!

You must really be chasing shadows if that's your arguement.  This woman is a victim.  half baked tirades won't change that. People who make the case for the prospective adoptive parents should at least sound as if they are rational people.  One more from the top.  In Florida, these people are NOT adoptive parents as long as the birth mother's parental rights have not been terminated.  That's not a tirade.  That's a fact.  Bottom line that.
 

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April 13, 2007, 10:21 am PDT

Portraying Allison as Mentally Ill?

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HG is not mental illness, but Allison seems mentally ill.  Hopefully, they will give her a complete psychological evaluation before giving the twins back to her.  And, any kind of foundations for HG should have made such considerations before making her their poster child.

I disagree with those that viewed Allison yesterday, and got the impression that she is mentally ill.  Her answers to questions were calm and considered, and she still seems hopeful of the future.  Please take into consideration the fact that the reason her eyes were shifting around all over the place is that her eyes didn't have anywhere to focus when she is on-camera!  She is sitting in a chair being filmed -- there isn't a picture of Doc Phil's face on a monitor to focus on, and she was probably listening to his questions with an earpiece, people!  Your eyes would probably be shifting around all over the place, too, if you were in her position!  Hell-o-o-o!  I hope that those of you out there who are so willing to be this judgmental of her situation NEVER find yourselves in a similiar position (although it wouldn't hurt to try to put yourselves in her shoes for a moment!), and as far as I am concerned, if Allison turns out to be the poster child for HG, wonderful!

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:23 am PDT

Custody

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This is why it's such a touchy subject.  You have a lot of women advocating for Allison (which is good), but you have a lot of women thinking with their "mommy" empathy.  I'm advocating for not only Allison herself, but for the safety of her children. 

 

We don't really know Allison's state of mind at this point, or if she would even make a fit parent.  I don't know her personally, but I know what happened, and I'm using that to go on.  She needs help for what the HG DID to her mentally and possibly PPD.  Would you give children to a woman with PPD who seems unstable?  It's the same situation with her, she needs treatment, NOT to sit in a jail cell.

 

Meanwhile, those children NEED care...who should get custody while mom is in prison/going thru treatment?

Sadly, I see these children headed for a stay in foster care while their mother's health is taken care of. 

 

One other note;  I know you did not say this, so I'm speaking to others.  I do believe based on what I know at this time, that Allison should have these children.  At the same time, let's not take every psychological issue and call it PTSS.  PTSS covers people who have been through experiences even worse than this (If you can imagine that).  Not every crisis falls under PTSS (or PTSD if you prefer).  That makes it no less real or severe, but not the same.

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:29 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

I have never heard of or knew that hyper emesis even existed before watching this show. I am very glad to see that there is attention and discussion being brought to this disease so that woman around the world can be treated properly and be healthy.

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:33 am PDT

3 pregnancy with HG and 1 living child later

I want to first thank the Dr Phil show for getting the word out about HG. I have had 3 pregnancy with it and I have 1 living child to show for it. I am going to tell a little of my story - I know there is a lot of stories on here - but feel very strong about this and getting the word out. It also is great to tell and talk about my story it’s healing for me. I will always have the pain and sadness of all of this- but it does help to tell of it. I was 25 years old when I became pregnant and thrilled as more. Then 2 - 3 weeks later I started with the non stop vomiting. My doctor and nurse told me to try this and that diet - and do this and not that. I started out going for IV’s 2 - 3 times a week - either a 3 - 4 hour visit or a over night stay. My veins are hard to find - so I was sent home with hep-locs so I could keep the IV’s in and not get poked more than need be.. From there I had 2 different pic-lines in my arms - and after awhile I had a central line put into my chest. I was put on every kind of medicine they could think of - but nothing worked. I had to switch to a specialty doctor and hospital that was over 40 minutes from my home, family and friends. To add to the depression of having HG - it was also the holiday season - winter - snow - distance - my dad turned 60 years old - loneness and thinking that everyone else thought you had lost your mind. I did lots of crying those months. I had dangerous low potassium and was hospitalize for that. I was put on TPN - Total Prenatal Nutr. - through the central line and had to check my blood sugar at 4 times a day. I was on that 12 hours a day at home. I lost a total of over 30 pounds. In April I got air into my central line - thank god - my husband was home and has asthma - so he was trying to help me on the way to the ER -- where I was rush by Ambulance with a doctor and nurse to the specialty hospital. Where I had 5 different doctors there for me and my baby - I was put through test after test and on full oxygen and in the ICU for a night. I gave birth to a healthy baby girl in July. The other 2 pregnancy -1999 and 2000, I was just as sick - and talked to the doctors before we even tried to get pregnant and they couldn’t say one way or another if it would happen again or not. We so badly wanted a bigger family we had to try more-- which a lot of our family and friends didn’t agree and didn’t come around much. I was over 10 weeks with both of the pregnancy and they were once again all over the holiday months - and during winter, plus now we had a child to worry about. The 1st one - I could not handle being away from my daughter - I got to see her 2 times a week - if I was lucky and my husband couldn’t come by as much with a daughter a home. I was very depress and felt very alone, I couldn’t handle it, they had me talk with someone to be sure I knew what I was talking about - wanting to end the pregnancy - I knew what they wanted to hear so they ever gave me any problems. I was on TPN again with that. The next pregnancy the doctors told me in plain English that it could be deadly for me and / or the baby - or I could come out of it not healthy - so that pregnancy was ended per the doctor. I was one TPN with that one also.. Only after they tried other things - because they had found out that TPN was not healthy. I was on a nose feeding tube at home 24 hours a day - I was on steroids - but the only amount that helped me was not a healthy amount. It was like everything we tried that worked was going to harm me and my baby.. One ate away at my bones and one ate away at my muscle.. There was no choice - as my husband reminds me to this day. But to this day - I am thankful for my daughter -- but it hurts to know she is alone. We have looked into adoption - and working on it -- but it is a lot harder then people let on -- I know why people don’t do it and why there are so many kids in foster care -- it is very sad to think of that. But that is a whole other story. I do have my daughter -- but I do feel so robbed of my pregnancy - the morning sickness - and pregnant belly - I never even really felt her move or kick. I since have remorse - I see pregnant women and family with lots of kids and I get so mad - life is so unfair.. I know there are still people out there that think it was in my head and I could have done something. HG is not heard of much - and you really do feel so alone going through it -- it needs more attention and needs to be talked about so those of us who dealt with it can get help and heal more… I will never be completely heal - but it does help.. Thanks again for talking of it.. Anyone going through it needs to know they are not alone and there are others. It’s not in their minds - it is real.. I only wish I could have seen this show and heard about all this ahead of time and had support for myself and for my husband - more information need to be out there … Support is something we all need - what I wouldn’t have done for someone to come and visit me in the hospital all those times just to sit in the room with me..   As for the mom in this show -- I am torn on what should happen -- with her and kids --  I see it from someone who had HG and I see it from someone who wants to adopt and know people who have..  But HG does change a person's life forever...

 
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