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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 13, 2007, 10:42 am PDT

I know and Thank you

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Regardless of what you may think at a given moment in time, there are always those who care about you.  But beyond that, they need you.  I hope you understand what damage a suicide would have done to all those you love.  I admire your strength and wish you all the best.
 I do know now - after time, healing and the opportunity for perspective - how my leaving would have damaged my family. But my point was and is that in a physical and emotional state such I was in - and such as Allison Quest was in - you cannot see it then.

My actions, her actions, and action of anyone who is emotionally run down by dealing with a physical disease, indicate tht a person cannot reason clearly while in the given situation. She didn't have support. I didn't believe the support I had offered me an answer. That's the delusion.

The most important thing in those circumstances is that you have support and that your support network realize what you are going through so you can get help. Because when you are debilitated emotionally like that, you cannot help yourself.

Thank you for your well wishes. We are all fine now. The best to you as well.

 
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April 13, 2007, 10:59 am PDT

Childbirth trauma

As I watched Allison's story, all I could think of was that but for the extraordinarly support I recieved from family, friends, and community, that could have been me making awful choices out of fear and desperation.  Pregnancy and childbirth is not always a "Blessed Event".   That has nothing to do with wanting and loving your children.  It's about comming really close to death.  The pregnancy and birth of my twins was a trauma for my whole family.  While I did not suffer from the same ailment as Allison, I was very sick, and, in fact, almost died during the delivery.

 

Fortunately, I had a very strong support network that really stepped up and helped us in so many ways.  That gave me the opportunity to rest and recover.  As it was, there were some very dark moments.  I shudder to think of what would have become of us were it not for this help.  What is a woman alone, and so debilitated supposed to do? 

 

My heart aches for Allison.  I was so angered by the lack of advocay and support she so seriously needed.  Who is this lawyer that accepted ANY decision from this poor soul when she was so very voulnerable.  I hope you, or your staff see this posting, and please somehow let her know that there are people who are praying for her to be reunited with her children.

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:11 am PDT

adoptive mom

 

I don't know what adoption laws are now, but when I adopted my 3 children in the 70's there was a waiting period for each adoption of 1 year.  From the time my babies were placed with me and when we able to finalize the adoption was 1year, to give the birth mom time to decide if she wanted to change her mind.  It was a hard year in each case but we knew going into it that it was always a real possibility.  I feel the adoption agency was always sure it was going to go thru, but we were always prepared for the birth mom to change her mind.

I think to go ahead and place children in their adoptive home knowing the mother is already having 2nd thoughts and calling the police to help her, is criminal.  The agency or lawyer involved is the one who should be held accountable.  Instead the babies are the one's who are going to suffer.  At least they will always have each other.

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:19 am PDT

The adoptive family are the real parents!

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You must really be chasing shadows if that's your arguement.  This woman is a victim.  half baked tirades won't change that. People who make the case for the prospective adoptive parents should at least sound as if they are rational people.  One more from the top.  In Florida, these people are NOT adoptive parents as long as the birth mother's parental rights have not been terminated.  That's not a tirade.  That's a fact.  Bottom line that.

So sorry to hear you referring to the adoptive family as the "prospective adoptive parents".  The only reason this adoption isn't finalized is because of Allison's appeal.  If her case wasn't being appealed her rights would already be gone. They've had the children for close to two years!!  They've cared for these children 24/7- that certainly earns them the right to call themselves the childrens real parents!! If you want to quote in terms of legal stuff and you really feel she's in her right- then you made a grave mistake and sound ridiculous for refering to her as "the birth mother's parental rights have not been terminated". By my standard she is a birthmother- she gave birth and then signed a termination of parental rights.  By your standards you still want to call her the childrens mother.  She did sign the TPR, it was filed, legal custody has been given to the adoptive parents. Allison is pursuing an appeal. Doesn't change the fact that legally the kids are where they belong. 

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:21 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! SHE CHANGED HER MIND IMMEDIATELY...OH PLEASE, are we talking the first time, the second time. How many times do you think she is entitled to change her mind. How many times can she emotionally abouse the twins and their parents???? What emotional damage do you think she inflicted on them when she kidnapped them. Then do you think it's ok for non-custodial parents who divorce to kidnap their children because they are going through emotional turmoil over not having their kids, there is no difference between them and Allison.  She did the crime(kidnapping) now she needs to buck up and pay for those irresponsible decision. Bottom line!!!!

She changed her mind two times within 3 days.  Once was during an 11 hour meeting with no one else on her side present.  This was after a pregnancy where she only gained 10 of the 45  needed pounds for a twins pregnancy, 5 weeks of constantly nursing newborn twins, and very little sleep for at least 10 months!  The only emotional abuse that has been inflicted on these children is the fact that they were taken and kept from their MOTHER after she made a huge life changing mistake.  She changed her mind immediately.  She didn't wait.  That says a lot.

She took her children because she's their MOTHER and she LOVES them and she didn't want to spend another second without them.  I would do the same if someone else had my children. 

Especially someone who I knew had taken advantage of me.

I suffered from Hyperemesis twice for 2-3 months each time.  It took me months to return to my normal mental state because it was such a tough disease and I knew nothing about it before it happened.  I can not imagine how she felt after it lasted her whole pregnancy and then when it was over the caring of TWINS began.  How many times have you suffered from Hyperemesis? 

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:24 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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First of all... every woman who has had HG is welcome to represnt HG! Every woman's experience is different. Also, every woman's reaction to this disease is different. I thank Allison for bringing HG into the spotlight. There are too many people ignorant of the effect this disease has on women and thier familes. Even the medical profession is often ignorant of it. Thank you Allsion and thank you Dr. Phil for putting the spotlight on HG. And thank you to the HER for supporting ALL women with HG.

 

I would not be surprised if Allison has been suffering from PTSD. That would surely lead to the reactions she has had. After being afraid of losing her own life and that of her babies for her whole pregnancy... and then at the end of it (after 5 weeks), having her worst nightmare come true would be absolutely horrific. I can't say that I would not have had the same reaction she did.

 

With HG you lose all control because you just can't physically do anything. Then she lost all control over her babies when they took them away. This was her desperate attempt to regain control over her life again and to be with her babies.

 

 

I wouldn't want to think of Andrea Yates as the public face of postpartum depression ~ although she definitely suffered from it, there was other stuff going on ~ it would be an insult to the women who have worked through postpartum depression.
 
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April 13, 2007, 11:24 am PDT

Shame on humanity, sanity, Shame on Florida, on judges, lawyers, Shame on humanity. Immediate release of Allison now. We need to suit the government and disbarr the involving lawyers and judges IMMEDIATELY

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:24 am PDT

I know what it feels like

 I am a mother of one. I had hyperemsis through the whole thing. I would never had thought I would have been so weak. I was about 2-3 weeks preg when I started to get sick. I was in the bathroom every second of the day getting sick. I by Christmas I could not even walk or hold my head up. The doctor at the time told meit was all in my head. I spent everyday in the hospital and everytime I went home I would end up back in the hospital. My weight through the whole thing was 110 and I weighted that till I was 8 months preg. I can't remeber much of it. I know one day my daughter is going to ask me about what it was like to have her and I am going to have to look at her and say that I can't remeber it at all. I was so out of it that I had to sign my right over to my mother. You have no clue what it feels like when you realize that you have no control over what is going on around you. My first doctor told me I was making myself do it but who really wants to vomit so much that there is nothing coming up any more. My mother fired that doctor and we found us a new one. He was great but he told us that I was the worse case he had ever seen. He put a TPN line in me and a pump on me so I could get my meds. I had taken every med out there that they could give someone with this condition. I have been told that I should not have any more child but I have thought about. See I was so sick that I don't remeber fighting with my family to just get the baby out and give her to someone who can do it. I have been told that I did. I love my child with all my heart but I just did not want to be preg any more. I had at some point started to resent her. She was killing me and I knew it. My doctor told me there was a chance neither of us were going to make it but we did. I know I will have this sickness again and I have been told it will most likely get worse. My husband and I want more but I am not sure if I can suvive another child and not tromitize my child. Because I was so sick my daughter and I both have problems 2 years later. She has one kidney that has problems and I have a very weak system not to mention very bad heart burn that nothing helps it. So thatnk you DR. Phil for fnally getting the word out that this is real and that we need to let people know about. I don't want someone to feel like I did that you are all alone and it's their fault and ask what did they do to be put through this. I am thankful for the HER foundation for being there for me and leting me know that they know what I went through.

 
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April 13, 2007, 11:26 am PDT

The Adoptive Family Is the Twins Family

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So sorry to hear you referring to the adoptive family as the "prospective adoptive parents".  The only reason this adoption isn't finalized is because of Allison's appeal.  If her case wasn't being appealed her rights would already be gone. They've had the children for close to two years!!  They've cared for these children 24/7- that certainly earns them the right to call themselves the childrens real parents!! If you want to quote in terms of legal stuff and you really feel she's in her right- then you made a grave mistake and sound ridiculous for refering to her as "the birth mother's parental rights have not been terminated". By my standard she is a birthmother- she gave birth and then signed a termination of parental rights.  By your standards you still want to call her the childrens mother.  She did sign the TPR, it was filed, legal custody has been given to the adoptive parents. Allison is pursuing an appeal. Doesn't change the fact that legally the kids are where they belong. 

Well said! As far as I'm concerned, the adoptive family is the twins' family!  They've never wavered and they deserve to have the children.
 
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April 13, 2007, 11:31 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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I disagree with those that viewed Allison yesterday, and got the impression that she is mentally ill.  Her answers to questions were calm and considered, and she still seems hopeful of the future.  Please take into consideration the fact that the reason her eyes were shifting around all over the place is that her eyes didn't have anywhere to focus when she is on-camera!  She is sitting in a chair being filmed -- there isn't a picture of Doc Phil's face on a monitor to focus on, and she was probably listening to his questions with an earpiece, people!  Your eyes would probably be shifting around all over the place, too, if you were in her position!  Hell-o-o-o!  I hope that those of you out there who are so willing to be this judgmental of her situation NEVER find yourselves in a similiar position (although it wouldn't hurt to try to put yourselves in her shoes for a moment!), and as far as I am concerned, if Allison turns out to be the poster child for HG, wonderful!

This went well beyond shifty eyes ~ Dr. Phil has people on television all the time and they don't come off as mentally ill.  She took no responsibility for her actions and she seemed incapable of considering anyone involved but herself. She came across as a very sick and self-absorbed woman and it staggers me that other people are unable to see that.
 
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