Topic : 04/12 Twin Tug of War

I also had the disease with my first pregnancy and felt likely the life was slowly dripping from my body.  It was horrible in a way that NOBODY who has not been there can understand.  My doctor was a jerk and he told me that I was a big baby.  I'm not exaggerating, those were his words.  My mother thought I was "being dramatic".  No one believed me.  My case was NOT as extreme as some that I have read about above.  I could keep some fluids down in the early afternoon and was able to eat a small bagel *sometimes*.  Somehow, it was enough to keep my daughter and I alive for 37 weeks.  Miraculously, I gave birth to a healthy seven and a half pound baby at 37 weeks when I was induced when SOMEBODY finally listened when I SCREAMED "SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE!"  And like someone else posted above, it caused me severe gallbladder problems which in turn caused me SEVERE pancreatitis - and from what I understand that is an infection that can kill you.  I spent eight months telling doctors something was wrong and no one listened until it was almost too late.  All it took was ten minutes with the ultrasound machine to see that my constant vomiting had caused real damage and I needed emergency surgery. 

I suffered through INTENSE post partum depression and quite honestly I can now I say that I understand how easy it is after something like that to lose your mind entirely.  When everyone around you thinks you're just "being a big baby" you start to lose your mind.  The only reason I made it through the post partum depression was that my husband allowed me to take the baby and go stay with my parents for a LONG TIME so I had round the clock help and support.  I know it was hard for him to let us go (my parents are 1,000 miles away and he missed us like crazy) but it was kept us alive. 

Many people see Allison as weak. She was physically weak, she needed help, and obviously was not in a state to sign adoption papers... but this woman is strong! She fought every day of her pregnancy to keep herself and her babies alive. She is somehow now mustering the courage and strength to fight to get her babies back. Many other women would just give up.

Allison is brave; she is a very strong woman.

You're right ~ I paid absolutely no attention to this story ~ I didn't note her twitchy, disturbed affect or the mental instability that oozed from her every pore.  I paid no attention to the complete lack of responsibility she expressed for her actions or the psychological disturbance that clearly transcended the HG.  Count me corrected.

Do you want me to say that Allison should have her cake and eat it, too? She's obviously not responsible enough to put her pen to a legal document, but she's more than responsible enough to raise two girls.  She's calculated enough to forge documents and get her children out of the country, but she's too weak and frail mentally to make any decisions that count legally ~ just listening to her talk ~ she didn't do anything wrong.

But I wasn't paying any attention to that.

Ok,

First of all to all of you who claim to have suffered from HG.  IF it is SO awful (and maybe it is, I don't know) WHY ON EARTH would you keep getting pregnant after delivering a healthy baby?  So many of these posts are "I had HG too, it is so awful, I had it with all 15 of my babies".  Of course I am exagerating, but you get my point.  It apparently wasn't bad enough to dissuade you from doing it again.

Second, Allison was not suffering from this disease any longer when she signed the papers....so HG can not be used as an excuse for giving her babies away.  Did ANYONE ELSE on this board griping about the misery of HG place their babies for adoption?  No?  Didn't think so.

Third, she kidnapped the children 16 MONTHS later.  So, you are going to tell me that HG made her do that too?

Fourth, for all of you spouting the children's "blood right" stay with Allison even though she is obviously unstable, the children were conceived with donor eggs and donor sperm.  SO, if you want to look at it that way Allison is not their "parent" either.  I wonder what the genetic parents would think of this situation if they knew.  Who THEY would want raising these children.

Fifth, the adoptive parents are likely not going public because they have nothing to gain by doing so.  They are fighting in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.  They did nothing wrong, why should they have to go on national television and defend themselves?

Feel free to keep belly aching about how horrible this "disease" is, I am not saying it's not.  My point is it must not be THAT bad or women would not go through another pg after suffering through it once.  My personal opinion, surprise surprise, is that it is too bad they are only charging her with parental kidnapping.  She should be in prison for life after what she did, but instead she will likely only serve 3 years.  If she gets those children back, it will be a travesty.

Having this is terrible...I got so tired of going to the hospital for IV's/fluids...I wanted the pregnancy to hurry up and be over.thank God I was able to get releif with the Zofran...I am glad Dr. PHil did a show on this..to spread the word about this..I slept a lot and missed going to things with my older daughter..like the movies..etc..everything turned out okay and I have a second beautiful daughter...but having hyperemesis is no walk in the park!

mg

The moral of the story

Ontario made a government politics of baby snatching, taking or selling the children of the poor for profit of private corporations under the false pretence. Allison had chosen the wrong place to run. Next time run to a place where people have some dignity, respect of human life and morals!

I feel we are getting one sided picture of this story. We never heard anything about the adoptive parents. Let’s face the truth! The adoptive jumped thought the hoops of the loop holes in the Florida Law?

Is that morally right? May be the adoptive parents have the legal custody now. May be they are great people, but their greatness is measured by a Dollar $$$ value and not by having integrity and morals.

My question is: In 16 years from now, what the adoptive parents will tell to these children? “Guy, we spend few million dollars to keep your mother away from you, because we felt that using loop holes in the legal system we could buy you out. Your mother was sick, needed help and we just turned out way to the needy. We used you as a commodity!”

This is plain gross. Both parties should come up with some kind of an arrangement out and besides the courts by trying to behave civilized and be HUMAN!

About profiting from children in Ontario:

http://cas911.narod.ru/

Ontario Ombudsman had to be silenced:

http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/UploadFiles/File/PDF/FINALSPECIALNEEDSREPORT.pdf

I just watched this episode from DVR this morning and am still sick to my stomach, I never write on message boards but......

I'm hoping Dr. Phil and his staff can continue to follow this story in efforts to get those twins back to their mother.

I understand the adoptive parents have developed a bond, however If I were in their shoes I still think I would give these children back and work out some type of visitation.

The mother does not belong in jail, it's 2007, I don't understand how the judicial system continues to prolong cases that are as crucial as this.

The moral of the story

Ontario made a government politics of baby snatching, taking or selling the children of the poor for profit of private corporations under the false pretence. Allison had chosen the wrong place to run. Next time run to a place where people have some dignity, respect of human life and morals!

I feel we are getting one sided picture of this story. We never heard anything about the adoptive parents. Let’s face the truth! The adoptive jumped thought the hoops of the loop holes in the Florida Law?

Is that morally right? May be the adoptive parents have the legal custody now. May be they are great people, but their greatness is measured by a Dollar $$$ value and not by having integrity and morals.

My question is: In 16 years from now, what the adoptive parents will tell to these children? “Guys, we spend few million dollars to keep your mother away from you, because we felt that using loop holes in the legal system we could buy you out. Your mother was sick, needed help and we just turned out way to the needy. We used you as a commodity!”

This is plain gross. Both parties should come up with some kind of an arrangement out and besides the courts by trying to behave civilized and be HUMAN!

About profiting from children in Ontario:

http://cas911.narod.ru/

Ontario Ombudsman had to be silenced:

http://www.ombudsman.on.ca/UploadFiles/File/PDF/FINALSPECIALNEEDSREPORT.pdf

Just because they've been "parenting" the twins for two years doesn't mean that they are 1) parents or  2) good parents.

I've raised 4 kids, three of them stepkids we had sole custody of.  I had a wicked time hanging on to my pregnancy [lost 4 prior]  to have my daughter *and* I have a sister who had HG 3 times.   I know that being a adoptive parents and stepparents can absolutely rock.  I know what it takes to have a kid when your pregnancy is not "normal."  So I'm sympathetic to both sides.

But, what kind of people listen to a 911 tape like Alisons and go ahead with an adoption.  Or insist on keeping kids that clearly were theirs under questionable circumstances.  It may not have been  understood before the tapes release, but it certainly was after the tape release.

That makes no sense.  Either they are stupid [voluntary surrender is never coerced and clearly the existance of the 911 tape demonstrates she was coerced] or they were more focused on having kids in any way they can and didn't care how they got them.

If you want to ask/talk about mental instability - I think there is more than just Alison's to consider. 

"Do you want me to say that Allison should have her cake and eat it, too? "

LOL ... OK, maybe this is tasteless... but is there anyone else out there who finds this quote ironic?