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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 20, 2007, 9:30 am PDT

Yes!

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I HAD SENT OUT MY FIRST LETTER TO HER 2 DAYS AGO AND PLAN TO SEND ONE EVERY WEEK TO SHOW MY SUPPORT.  HG TAKES A HORRIBLE TOLL ON THE BODY.  SHE DESERVES HER BABIES!!  HAVE YOU HEARD BACK FROM HER? 

 Yes!  She is absolutely lovely and appreciates everyone's letters and thoughts so much...I adore her...I think she is such a nice person...
 
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April 20, 2007, 9:48 am PDT

HG Victim and Survivor

There is no conceivable way to explain the physical pain and emotional distress of Hyperemesis.  As a three time sufferer of HG (daugthers age 7, 2 and one on the way) it takes everything I have to function daily.  I have been hospitalized and continue to receive IV and medicinal treatment during my current pregnancy (17 weeks).  Taking care of my family, going to work, and living a normal life is completely out of the range of possibility.  I am super supported by my husband, our parents, neighbors and church friends, yet even they can not offer me what I crave -- a few hours to just feel normal, to eat a small meal without it coming back up, to help my daughter get dressed for school, to work a normal day without someone telling me how horrible/tired/pale I look.  And, while laying on the bathroom floor nearly unconcious before the last hospital trip, I prayed to please just let it end or let me die or let something put me out of this misery.

The impact this has on our family is enormous.  My 2 year old announces to everyone she sees "mommy sick" and my 7 year old has had a noticeable change in behavior and school performance over the past 10 weeks.  My husband is at his last nerve, trying to go to work, be helpful at home, take care of the girls, manage the numerous phone calls with the insurance carrier, and support me and my needs.

The only good thing that comes out of this, from my two prior experiences, is that eventually the baby has to exit and will hopefully be as delightful and lovely as my two "big" girls are today.

 
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April 20, 2007, 11:42 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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There is no conceivable way to explain the physical pain and emotional distress of Hyperemesis.  As a three time sufferer of HG (daugthers age 7, 2 and one on the way) it takes everything I have to function daily.  I have been hospitalized and continue to receive IV and medicinal treatment during my current pregnancy (17 weeks).  Taking care of my family, going to work, and living a normal life is completely out of the range of possibility.  I am super supported by my husband, our parents, neighbors and church friends, yet even they can not offer me what I crave -- a few hours to just feel normal, to eat a small meal without it coming back up, to help my daughter get dressed for school, to work a normal day without someone telling me how horrible/tired/pale I look.  And, while laying on the bathroom floor nearly unconcious before the last hospital trip, I prayed to please just let it end or let me die or let something put me out of this misery.

The impact this has on our family is enormous.  My 2 year old announces to everyone she sees "mommy sick" and my 7 year old has had a noticeable change in behavior and school performance over the past 10 weeks.  My husband is at his last nerve, trying to go to work, be helpful at home, take care of the girls, manage the numerous phone calls with the insurance carrier, and support me and my needs.

The only good thing that comes out of this, from my two prior experiences, is that eventually the baby has to exit and will hopefully be as delightful and lovely as my two "big" girls are today.

Yes... thank goodness there is an end to HG eventually.

 

Keep that in mind. 

 

When I was on the bathroom floor and really sick, I used to visualize pushing my baby out and imagining how happy that moment would be. 

 

Try to visualize something like that when you feel at your worst.

 
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April 20, 2007, 11:43 am PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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 Yes!  She is absolutely lovely and appreciates everyone's letters and thoughts so much...I adore her...I think she is such a nice person...
I really should take a little time out from posting on this forum to send her a letter.
 
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April 20, 2007, 3:07 pm PDT

I had the same war!

I was in awe of the show.  It felt like some of my same words were coming out of the guests' mouths.  I too released my baby for adoption under duress and then endured a 2 year court battle to get her back.  Eventually I did win and was reunited with my daughter.   It was a painful experience.  This happened in state of Texas in 1984.  If my story can help in any way please contact me.  I hope this message is read by actual producers or Dr. Phil himself. 

Let me know if I can help.

 
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April 22, 2007, 6:44 pm PDT

I Agree!

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Yes... thank goodness there is an end to HG eventually.

 

Keep that in mind. 

 

When I was on the bathroom floor and really sick, I used to visualize pushing my baby out and imagining how happy that moment would be. 

 

Try to visualize something like that when you feel at your worst.

I too suffer from this horrible disease!  I say I am basically "allergic to pregnancy"  right after the baby comes out I am back to my self.  I have 3 sons 14, 11, and 4...I desparately want another baby...maybe a GIRL!  But I fear what the sickness will do to my family...my husband has to take on everything and how will my children be able to "survive" months without their mother......I have been crying a lot reading all these stories...my story is the same...just the isolation and loss of sleep alone is something, but the constant nausea and total psychological effects of this ailment is devastating!

I could write on and on about my terrible months and months of horrow.....

I really appreciate Dr. Phil bringing HG to the masses.

Thank you!

Yehudis 

 
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April 22, 2007, 6:56 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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 I'm almost scared to watch this show.  I was also diagnosed with HG shortly after Christmas of 2005 and it was at this time that I found out I was pregnant with twins.  My doctor was amazing.  I showed up at his office, with my husband practically carrying me, and within a few hours I was on home IV health care.  For months, a nurse would come change my dressings and help me adjust my Zofran pump.  I think the only thing I really "drank" during the first couple of months was Lactated Ringers from my IV.  During the worst of it, my husband would help me sponge bathe.  I was too weak to take a shower, and couldn't take a tub bath due to the IV lines.  I couldn't brush my teeth everyday, as that would start the vomiting again.  (My teeth are now stained from the bile eating away at the enamel).  I also had to invest in "adult undergarments" since I would lose bladder control from the pressure and spasms of wretching.

At my worst, I alternated between:  wishing I had never gotten pregnant, pleading with God for the misery to end, begging my husband to kill me and desperately trying to keep down frozen carrot slices so that my babies could get SOMETHING.  I was about 110 lbs. when I became pregnant and at my HG peak, weighed 90.  By the end of my pregnancy, I was up to a whopping 127.

HG sucks all of the joy out of pregnancy.  There were many occassions when I was CONVINCED that the babies were trying to kill me.  I would lay on the sofa, stare at my belly and wait to die. What I find horrifying, is that my case of HG is probably not even one of the really bad ones.  Bad, yes... but by the middle of my second trimester I was off all medications and able to eat (albeit a  limited menu).  There are so many women out there who go through this condition throughout the entire pregnancy.  Some are even so severe that they must terminate the pregnancy in order to live.

I want to watch this show, to see what Ms. Quets has to say.  I'm also scared to watch it because I have a feeling that I'll be sobbing the whole show, remembering how horrible it all was, and knowing that if not for the support of my husband, family, and doctor, I could easily be where she is now.
My husband also had to "carry" me to the doctor's office!!I couldn't brush my teeth either---no way!!  I use to hold a lemon to my nose and spit up saliva all day long!!!
 
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April 23, 2007, 6:48 am PDT

God's plan for two parents?

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When this woman decided at age 47 to become a mother, she did not consider the results.  She had no husband, She was too old to be having her first child.  She apparently did not think about what problems could occur  She was artifically conceived, and when she got sick there was no husband to help her thru this.  God created two parents for each child as a back up system.  Now that the twins are almost two years old and the hardest part of raising them is over,  She wants them back.  Claiming she was sick.  Well she had a good job and education.  If she needed help with the twins when she gave birth she could have hired a nanny,  or gotten her family to help out.  Instead she realized how difficult becoming a mother could be and she signed them away.  Claiming she was forced by some boyfriend who seems to have had nothing to do with the childrens birth.  There is no way she should get them back or even have visitation rights.  These children need two parents who will live long enough to raise them.  If you think i am wrong,  you need to know I have two adopted children and two natural children.  My last child was born at age 40.  However, i knew what i was getting in to,  I had a husband and excellent family support.    Not once in her interview from the prison did she say she cared what was best for the children.  She was only saying i am the mother so i deserve them.  Wrong. being a mother means doing what is best for the children.  She puts her self first.  It also seems she is not emotionally stable enough to raise the children.    to take them from the family who adopted them,  stayed up all night to care for them ,  paid all their bills, and loved them would be the biggest crime on the children now.    In addition Dr. Phil i think you should stay out of this matter and leave it to the legal system.  This mother would steal the children again if she was let out of prison for even one day. 
 I have a major problem with your "God created two parents for each child as a back up system" theory.  Maybe you can explain God's plan in the following situation:

I met a young lady when I was going to Parents Without Partners.  She and her husband were married for 5 years.  They purchased a house in a very nice neighborhood and decided to add a child to their lives.  They found out  that she was pregnant  and was planning on celebrating that weekend.  The weekend didn't turn into a celebration but a mourning.  Her husband died two days after he found out she was pregnant.

I am not questioning God on why He took him but your statement on the "two parents" back up system.  Was she suppose to give up her child because there was no second parent?

It sounds like you have had a wonderful life compared to alot of situation out there.  You have 2 natural children and 2 adoptive children with no complications.  Here are some questions that I would like you to answer:

1.  If your husband would have died, got a divorce or became deathly ill during, or even after, your pregnantcy, would you give up your children to adoption?  Per your statement, God created two parents but, now you are one parent.  It would especially be true for your adopted children since obviously you adopted them to give them two parents. 

2.  Why did you want to become a mom?  Was it for procreation or so you can have the feeling of being a mom.  Allison wanted a child for probably the thousands of other women want child.  If you are a parent, there is no greater feeling in the world than your children!

3.  Have you ever had or known someone with a severe illness?  I have and it effects your psychological reasoning.  I was in major pain for months before the doctors discovered what was wrong.  I was in bed and major pain pills for months.  Even after they found out what it was and put me on the correct treatmen plan,  it took me more than 3 months to even make a little dent in the psychological effect it had on me.  Two years later, I am still affected by the effect of that desease.

I don't know all of Allison's story but even if part of it is true, then she was wronged by the attorney, her friend, the adoptive parents and the court system.  This whole thing wouldn't have happened if the adoptive parents would have done the right thing from the start and given the children back immediately upon her request.  They didn't  "bond" with the children within that short of time!!  They are the one who thought of "self first" vice what was best for the children. 

If the children are given back to Allison (which I hope),  I won't feel bad for the "adoptive parents" bacause they put themselves in this situation. 

 
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April 23, 2007, 8:05 am PDT

HG Sufferer for the 3rd Time in 3 years!

Hello to all the other women suffering as I have.  I am 16 weeks along with my 3rd baby in 2 and a half years.  I have suffered terribly with HG with all 3, 24 hours a day, the entire pregnancy.  I wake up gagging every hour or so at night to throw up, and several times a day.  I have lost teeth, and have lots so much weight I have never needed to wear maternity clothes.  I have been on every medicine that has been available.  This time they may have to finally out in a TPN so that I can stay out of the hospital-- I have two kids already and no one to help care for them if I am in the hospital, and since I am sick either place I would rather be at home.  After extended periods of vomiting I also have developed a panic disorder and have terrible anxiety attacks every day.  As I am sure many of you know, the regular "pregnancy heartburn" is also heightened to the point of often developing ulcers.  I did want to tell people that this time around, my doctor put me on a slightly different combination of drugs that seemed to help immensely.  Between Zofran, Vistaril, Paxil, Ambien, Phenagren, and some steroids I was finally able to get some relief-- not completely, but such a vast improvement that I was practically singing.  Unfortunately, it only lasted for about a week or so until the medication ran out and I found out that my insurance will not pay for any more unless I stay in the hospital, which I cannot do.  Now I am sick again, back to the usual routine, and as frustrated and disappointed and miserable as every other woman who has a very severe and unrelenting form of this awful disease.  --I do want to tell other women who are suffering from this, TRY ALL MEDICATIONS.   The steroids really did wonders for me in combination with the nasuea medicines and the Paxil for the anxiety.  It was the most incredible difference and not one of the dozen doctors I had ever seen had decided to try it.  I think if you have not tried it it is worth asking about.  I sympathize with you all on such a deep level and my heart just goes out to you all.  I really hope that you are all able to get through it and if this is your first bout with HG and you are thinking that you are never ever going to feel better (I truly believed that with my son) I promise you, you will.  I threw up all through both labors and deliveries and the INSTANT the baby was out of my body I immediately felt great.  Depleted, but wonderful compared to the Hell of pregnancy.  It is our responsibility to make sure that people become educated about HG and begin to take this seriously for once so that maybe there will be enough focus on finding a treatment or a cure that work.  THANK YOU SO MUCH TO DR. PHIL AND HIS WONDERFUL TEAM FOR SHEDDING SOME LIGHT ON THIS-- WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET!  PLEASE DEVOTE AN ENTIRE SHOW TO THIS TOPIC AND HELP US TO PLEASE GET THE HELP WE NEED AND DESERVE!  THANK YOU SO MUCH.  THIS SHOW IN ITSELF IS A HERO. 
 
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April 23, 2007, 9:56 am PDT

You should know the facts before making this comment

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When this woman decided at age 47 to become a mother, she did not consider the results.  She had no husband, She was too old to be having her first child.  She apparently did not think about what problems could occur  She was artifically conceived, and when she got sick there was no husband to help her thru this.  God created two parents for each child as a back up system.  Now that the twins are almost two years old and the hardest part of raising them is over,  She wants them back.  Claiming she was sick.  Well she had a good job and education.  If she needed help with the twins when she gave birth she could have hired a nanny,  or gotten her family to help out.  Instead she realized how difficult becoming a mother could be and she signed them away.  Claiming she was forced by some boyfriend who seems to have had nothing to do with the childrens birth.  There is no way she should get them back or even have visitation rights.  These children need two parents who will live long enough to raise them.  If you think i am wrong,  you need to know I have two adopted children and two natural children.  My last child was born at age 40.  However, i knew what i was getting in to,  I had a husband and excellent family support.    Not once in her interview from the prison did she say she cared what was best for the children.  She was only saying i am the mother so i deserve them.  Wrong. being a mother means doing what is best for the children.  She puts her self first.  It also seems she is not emotionally stable enough to raise the children.    to take them from the family who adopted them,  stayed up all night to care for them ,  paid all their bills, and loved them would be the biggest crime on the children now.    In addition Dr. Phil i think you should stay out of this matter and leave it to the legal system.  This mother would steal the children again if she was let out of prison for even one day. 

First, I agree wholeheartedly that this is a terribly sad, difficult situation.  None of us in the public know all the facts or all the details.  But I have to say that while maybe she should not get her kids back, maybe she should.  The main thing I wanted to say here is that I find it ill logic and really, utterly preposterous to say that she merely did not think about what problems could occur.  As someone who is suffering severely for the 3rd time with extreme hyperemesis, I find it laughably obvious that you have never suffered from this.  You really think that ANYONE would be able to consider having this disease if they had not had it?  It is so rare most people have never heard of it until they are diagnosed with it.  Also, I have a huge family, many of who live within minutes, and not one person who helps me, so it is simply stupid to imply that she or any mother has some magical waiting list of available babysitters.   My husband works most of the year out of the country, and we are happily married, but he is not here to help so even though we are married, how is that fact helping me any more than her, and yet you are so quick to stitch a scarlet letter onto her chest.  You obviously did not pay attention to the FACTS of the story, either.  If you had, you would realize that she was seriously screwed over by that man.  NOW that the children are two, I am not cerain what is truly best for them, but I do feel that given her condition (that you have no knowledge of) they should never have been snatched away from her.  No, she should NOT have kidnapped them, but those children were kidnapped twice.  --I am completely dumbfounded that you or anyone would ever tell Dr. Phil to stay out of it.  He is an expert and does nothing but help the world.  Would you still tell him to "leave it to the legal system" if this were one of the child molestation cases we have seen him bring to light?  Just because your personal, uneducated opinion is not HELPED by Dr. Phil telling the truth does not mean he should ignore it and leave this terrible disorder in the dark to the world.  Last, I have to say-- how DARE you assume you have any idea what this debilitating disease is like.  If someone has had cancer and you have not, you do not tell that person that you KNOW what they are going through and then pass judgements on them.  You have no earthly idea what HG is like, and you need to stop some of your criticisms long enough to be thankful that you had two normal pregnancies. 

 
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