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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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April 26, 2007, 7:58 pm PDT

Wow! You make such good and interesting points!

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They have one major reason going for them:  Florida Adoptions are closed to the public.  That's the law and the Needham's and their attorneys have used it since the very second Allison signed the adoption papers.  Florida law is that a child given up for adoption under six months old, it takes place immediately.  Then they use this Adoptions closed to the public as their defense not to go public. 

 

It's not a very good defense considering the names of the children, all the adults, the attorneys, and the judge has already been put out to the public but it works because, again, it's the law.

 

But, IMHO, they would not have good answers for the questions that would be asked.  I'm not talking about  "the law" questions because they did operate within the law, but the moral questions that would be asked of them. 

 

Here are some questions that would be asked:  Why didn't you give the kids back when she requested them?  Couldn't you find other kids to adopt?  Why "these kids"?

 

Basically, they would be put on "The Morality Trial" vice the "The Legal Trial".  I like to make a point about the difference:

 

Morality dictates how the laws are made, not the other way around.  Most of us know that murder and stealing are wrong not because the law says it is but because our morals made those things wrong so we made a law against it.

 

Here examples of morality changing laws that were made.  Women right to vote and Abolishing Slavery.

 

Heck, our country was founded on morality!!  The people of the colonies saw it as immoral the way England treated them, so they made a constitution to change the laws.  They believed in it so much that they gave their lives for it.

 

That is what so hard about this case.  Even though you are operating within the law, does it make it right?

 

If I was the Needhams, would I go public and be submitted to these questions?  No Way!!!!!!

I think you are right on about the Morality thing...It is funny how we use laws to justify our actions...even when they are morally wrong....I don't know how people can live with themselves...Maybe they delude themselves with justifications that only make sense to them?  I know if I were the Needham's I would hope and pray that no one shows the children what happened to them...The accurate reasons why they are not with their Mother and why they are with them instead..."The truth" will be really hard to keep from them, since so much of this case has been made public.  Usually kids have to wait until they are 18 to begin searching for information on their parents and history but in this case, everyone who surrounds them will most likely already know their story.  I wonder if they know anything already...or if they have been kept in the beauty of childhood innocence.  I just don't know what the Needham's would say to those beautiful children.  I wish I could be a fly on the wall.  Instead, I will just be there, in court, or through the internet to hear what the Judge says is Justice.  May we all pray for Justice (if you believe in prayer).  Otherwise, may we all hope for Justice. 
 
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April 27, 2007, 12:46 pm PDT

Where is everyone? I don't see many posters anymore...

Is there anybody still reading this message board and following the posts?  I am wondering if people are still be as proactive to make sure that their voice is heard...If you are out there...I would love to hear your current thoughts and opinions on this case....
 
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April 27, 2007, 6:32 pm PDT

Still checking...

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Is there anybody still reading this message board and following the posts?  I am wondering if people are still be as proactive to make sure that their voice is heard...If you are out there...I would love to hear your current thoughts and opinions on this case....
I'm definitely keeping up with this board.  However, I haven't heard anything new on Allison's case.  I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for her, but sadly, I don't have much faith that the legal system will come down on her side.  I think too much money is involved in the adoption business for her to get a favorable outcome.
 
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April 29, 2007, 3:26 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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I'm a man thats been married for 37 years.  My wife and I have two children we love very very much.  My wife Rose and I both think Allison deserves to have her children back.  Allison doesn't belong in jail!  Any loving parent would do all in their power to have and protect their children.  Due to the hyperemesis, Allison was unable to function normally.  The lawyer and the people that received the twins took advantage of the terrible situation Allison was experiencing.  You asked if it was right to take the children away from the other people now?  I say a big, YES!  They haven't had them all that long considering how long the life spans of the children will be.  The real crime is if Allison continues to stay in prison and isn't allowed to have her babies back.  I HOPE ALLISON QUETS WINS THIS CASE. 

 

Jim & Rose Piatt

I agree with those who think the judge overreacted in revoking bail for Allison.  If Allison planned this vacation openly, had legal passports for the children, and registered in a bed and breakfast under her own name -- it doesn't make sense to treat her like a criminal.

 

This is a travesty of justice -- North Carolina is treating Allison like she was some crazy person.  I worked with Allison at Lockheed Martin for about 10 years, and know she is smart, patient, and logical.  She might have done something impulsive after months of frustration, but she is no criminal! 

 

What does it take to reverse a bad judicial decision?  Obviously the adoptive parents have lied to the judge, making it sound like Allison kidnapped the babies when in fact she had legal visitation rights.  What a dirty trick!  Does a citizen of this country have no rights to a fair hearing?

 

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April 29, 2007, 9:10 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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I agree with those who think the judge overreacted in revoking bail for Allison.  If Allison planned this vacation openly, had legal passports for the children, and registered in a bed and breakfast under her own name -- it doesn't make sense to treat her like a criminal.

 

This is a travesty of justice -- North Carolina is treating Allison like she was some crazy person.  I worked with Allison at Lockheed Martin for about 10 years, and know she is smart, patient, and logical.  She might have done something impulsive after months of frustration, but she is no criminal! 

 

What does it take to reverse a bad judicial decision?  Obviously the adoptive parents have lied to the judge, making it sound like Allison kidnapped the babies when in fact she had legal visitation rights.  What a dirty trick!  Does a citizen of this country have no rights to a fair hearing?

 

Bob

Bad decisions made by so many charged with upholding the law and protecting citizens.  Such a travesty of justice and violation of Allison's rights, not to mention the fact that these actions by attorneys and judges taint all properly conducted adoptions as well.
 
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April 30, 2007, 7:17 am PDT

Suffering from HG

I suffered with HG with my last delivery.  I was severly dehydrated and malnourished from the time I was 6 weeks pregnant.  After finally losing 35 pounds and being in the ER for the 6th or 7th time, they finally decided to put a PICC line in and administer home health.  I still had to work full-time and at night woulg get 10 hours worth of hydration.  I was given zofran every 6 hours and protonics every night.  Nothing seemed to help.  After still suffering endlessly, my doctors finally put me in the hospital where I received TPN and had my gall bladder removed when i was 18 weeks pregnant.  I was hospitalized for 15 days and still came home suffering with HG.  There wasn't a day that went by that I didn't feel like I was dying or even wished I would.  Severe depression and anxiety was an everyday ailment for me as well. I felt like my life was no longer mine.  After I delivered my daughter I finally started to feel better and never fully recovered before I found out I was pregnant again.  I am thankful for my children and would do anything for them, but I wonder what is the limit?  I am suffering again with HG and am on TPN for nutrition.  I am finding it difficult to cope and to even do more than come to work everyday.  I pray that the next 34 weeks will go by quickly and I make it at the end.
 
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April 30, 2007, 8:39 am PDT

Round 5 of Hyperemesis

I am a 32 year old mother of four who is currently 8 weeks pregnant with child number five.  I have suffered with both hyperemesis and its debilitating sidekick ptyalism with every one of my pregnancies for the entire 40 weeks.  I even continue to vomit and spit while delivering.  The ptyalism makes the inside of my mouth taste like rusted metal and there is an overproduction of saliva which forces you to spit all day every day uncontrollably.  The taste makes you nauseous 24 hours a day and disrupts your sleep.

 

Nobody understands what I have to go through and many people feel that if it were really that bad that I wouldn't have as many children as I do.  I had my first 3 children at the ages of 18, 20, and 24.  No doctor would tie my tubes before I turned 21.  I cannot take birth control pills due to debilitating side effects.  I had my tubes untied at age 30 after my second marriage to a man who had no children of his own. I thought that things would be different because it was a different person but it was actually worse. I had a continuous Zofran pack connected to my thigh for three months until I developed cellulitis which caused a boil to grow on my thigh which later exploded.  Oral Zofran caused sores to appear in my mouth.  I was hospitalized several times and put on steroids and given Phenergan.  My employer was extremely unsupportive and even said during a staff meeting with my coworkers,  "Why the hell would she go and do that again knowing how sick she would get?!"

 

My husband is self-employed and I'm now trying to hide my pregnancy from my current employer out of fear that I will lose my job, benefits, and home.  I am a paralegal with a law firm and am already referred to as "the woman with all of those children."  Although I put in well over 50 hours each week and am one of the highest performing paralegals with the firm.  I have dropped out of my summer courses for school because I know that I will not be able to complete them as my sickness gets worse.  I am afraid that I will surely lose my job once they find out because I'm losing strength every day.  I don't eat out of fear of vomiting.  I can't eat certain things at all due to the awful taste in my mouth.  I am dehydrated and spend most of my time thinking of how I can get out of this situation without having people think that I'm a bad person.  I sometimes even think of having an "accident" on purpose...but I don't want to leave my other children without a mother.

 
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April 30, 2007, 12:43 pm PDT

Considering doing it again

I am a 33 year old mother of two and am seriously considering a third child. I suffered with HG during both of my pregnancies,the first time being hospitalized 27 times in 37 weeks , getting a TPN , Zofran (pump in thigh) , Phenergan, and Pepcid through PICC.Although I delivered a healthy full term baby, I vomitted even during delivery and lost 38 pounds.The second child was the same scenario, onset at 6 weeks and same drugs a total weight loss of 34 pounds.Only this time I was diagnosed with gallbladder disease  at 9 weeks .I suffered with the attacks from that as well until I was 36 weeks pregnant and my OB  finally found a surgeon willing to touch a pregnant woman with all of my issues.The surgery was done at 36 weeks and I delivered another healthy ,full term baby girl.My fear is that I will again suffer with the HG to the same degree as the first two.I am also concerned that I am older at this point and may have more issues to deal with.I'm not sure how exactly to prepare myself for another HG pregnancy ,if there is even a way to prepare yourself for such a thing. ANy suggestions ???      
 
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April 30, 2007, 3:44 pm PDT

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences...It makes it so we can all see how life changing this disease can be

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I am a 32 year old mother of four who is currently 8 weeks pregnant with child number five.  I have suffered with both hyperemesis and its debilitating sidekick ptyalism with every one of my pregnancies for the entire 40 weeks.  I even continue to vomit and spit while delivering.  The ptyalism makes the inside of my mouth taste like rusted metal and there is an overproduction of saliva which forces you to spit all day every day uncontrollably.  The taste makes you nauseous 24 hours a day and disrupts your sleep.

 

Nobody understands what I have to go through and many people feel that if it were really that bad that I wouldn't have as many children as I do.  I had my first 3 children at the ages of 18, 20, and 24.  No doctor would tie my tubes before I turned 21.  I cannot take birth control pills due to debilitating side effects.  I had my tubes untied at age 30 after my second marriage to a man who had no children of his own. I thought that things would be different because it was a different person but it was actually worse. I had a continuous Zofran pack connected to my thigh for three months until I developed cellulitis which caused a boil to grow on my thigh which later exploded.  Oral Zofran caused sores to appear in my mouth.  I was hospitalized several times and put on steroids and given Phenergan.  My employer was extremely unsupportive and even said during a staff meeting with my coworkers,  "Why the hell would she go and do that again knowing how sick she would get?!"

 

My husband is self-employed and I'm now trying to hide my pregnancy from my current employer out of fear that I will lose my job, benefits, and home.  I am a paralegal with a law firm and am already referred to as "the woman with all of those children."  Although I put in well over 50 hours each week and am one of the highest performing paralegals with the firm.  I have dropped out of my summer courses for school because I know that I will not be able to complete them as my sickness gets worse.  I am afraid that I will surely lose my job once they find out because I'm losing strength every day.  I don't eat out of fear of vomiting.  I can't eat certain things at all due to the awful taste in my mouth.  I am dehydrated and spend most of my time thinking of how I can get out of this situation without having people think that I'm a bad person.  I sometimes even think of having an "accident" on purpose...but I don't want to leave my other children without a mother.

I was saddened to see that your co workers would not be thrilled for you to have another baby.  All babies are miracles and your co-workers need to see that you are willing to go through these difficult trials because the end result is worth it..You deserve to have the number of beautiful children you desire.  If you need support, just check out the helpher website or any other hyper-emesis websites.  We all know that you are doing what is best for your family.  Keep up the faith.  It will all be worth it in the end. 
 
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April 30, 2007, 3:46 pm PDT

Allison has new message boards on her website

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I'm definitely keeping up with this board.  However, I haven't heard anything new on Allison's case.  I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for her, but sadly, I don't have much faith that the legal system will come down on her side.  I think too much money is involved in the adoption business for her to get a favorable outcome.
Anyone interested in joining the discussion over on her website?
 
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