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Created on : Friday, April 06, 2007, 11:39:40 am
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Allison Quets made headlines around the world when she allegedly kidnapped her 17-month-old twins across the border into Canada this past Christmas. She had given them up for adoption, but did she do so under duress? She now says she suffered from a pregnancy disease called hyperemesis that left her malnourished and sleep deprived to the point of complete exhaustion. See an exclusive interview with Allison from behind bars where she awaits trial on two counts of international parental kidnapping, with a possible sentence of three years behind bars. Then, look inside the life of a woman who is only three-and-a-half months pregnant and so sick with hyperemesis she spends most of her day on the bathroom floor. Plus, find out what all women need to know about hyperemesis: How you get it, how to know you have it, and whether it could kill you or your unborn child. Join the discussion.

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June 16, 2007, 10:32 pm PDT

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I just had to post to say  "thank you" for bringing attention to HG as well as the effects it can have on its sufferers, including the friends and family involved. 

I am in the midst (18 weeks along) of a second HG pregnancy.  I've had four hospital visits for rehydration and treatment, Zofran since week 7, and this past week learned the excessive vomiting had caused a hernia and abdominal muscle separation.  And my HG is a very mild case!!!  I've spent many days crying on the bathroom floor, struggling to take care of my two year-old, and overwhelmed with the guilt of knowing I'm not the mother/wife I was and want to be.  I find myself too weak to function many days... there have been days that I'm sooo incredibly thirsty and starving, but can't even manage to swallow any drinks or nourishment.  Imagine having the stomach flu or food poisoning for months on end?  Can a person in such condition really be expected to make any logical decisions?  Or be capable of looking after themselves?  Forget working and managing a household... it's impossible. 

The sympathies of friends and family wear out quickly.  I can't tell you how many times I've been told "Oh, so sorry to hear you are one of the unlucky ones with morning sickness... have you tried ginger ale and crackers???"  This is more than simple vomiting... for me, it has meant constant vomiting/nausea, dehydration, rapid heart rate, shaking, weakness, constant lethargy, hot/cold flashes, and now the hernia/abdominal issue.  It's more than not keeping meals down... there's blood, bile, and more yukkiness than I had ever experienced before pregnancy.  And to those who think it's psychological... for many HGers, the symptoms began before we even knew we were pregnant, myself included.

I was not an unhealthy woman.  I was fit, walking miles and miles a day, trim, and on a very balanced healthy diet.  I began prenatals six months before conception and had a preconception check-up and labs before even considering a second pregnancy (due to my previous pregnancy and experiences with HG).  Despite my good health and best efforts, HG struck again.  I lost 10% of my body weight by week 7 of this pregnancy.  I couldn't stand up without making myself ill.  And the Zofran, while it helps, certainly did not put an end to the nausea/vomting. 

But the worst is the lack of support and being forced to second-guess myself.  And all HGers experience this to some degree.  Marriages, relationships, friendships suffer.  Family wonders why we can't "suck it up" and deal with pregnancy like every other woman does.  I've been told "What do working pregnant women do?  If they can manage, why can't you?"  Do you really think an employer would tolerate having an employee running to the bathroom hourly???  Not to mention the fact that I barely have the energy/strength to hold my head up some days.  Yes, every pregnancy is uncomfortable, that is the nature of pregnancy... but HG is not a normal pregnancy symptom and women suffering from HG should not be expected to tolerate it as a normal pregnancy happening.

I recently read of Alison Quets story... Being abroad presently (in Australia) I had not heard her story.  After hearing of her here, on Dr Phil's website, and catching up on her story online, I feel nothing but sympathy for her.  A person with a real, debilitating, life-threatening illness should never be placed in a position to make such a life-changing decision.  To be so misunderstood and placed in such a circumstance... my heart goes out to her.  HG is so often overlooked or misdiagnosed, to think of the horrible position it places so many women in is... well, it's nauseating! 

Best of luck to Alison Quets and other HGers out there... It's a battle, but a battle worth fighting.  I have one adorable daughter to show for my first HG efforts, and soon, in four months time, I'll have another reward to hold and snuggle.  Thank you, Dr Phil, for addressing this horrible illness and helping women out there who are suffering but did not yet have a name for their disease.  Bringing attention to HG has the potential to save many lives and the sanity of many suffering already.

I just read your post and thought it was me writing it! I would like to talk to you about the abdominal separation. I recently had surgery for it and want to pass on the info. I also had a huge ventral hernia and my abdominal wall never closed- Email me at pattyk813@hotmail.com with subject HG.  I want to tell as many people as I can about this! If anything I would like to make a friend online with someone who is so simular to me.  I am still recovering and my kids are 4 and 1. Hope you had a good day -  

 
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June 17, 2007, 5:25 pm PDT

04/12 Twin Tug of War

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 I'm almost scared to watch this show.  I was also diagnosed with HG shortly after Christmas of 2005 and it was at this time that I found out I was pregnant with twins.  My doctor was amazing.  I showed up at his office, with my husband practically carrying me, and within a few hours I was on home IV health care.  For months, a nurse would come change my dressings and help me adjust my Zofran pump.  I think the only thing I really "drank" during the first couple of months was Lactated Ringers from my IV.  During the worst of it, my husband would help me sponge bathe.  I was too weak to take a shower, and couldn't take a tub bath due to the IV lines.  I couldn't brush my teeth everyday, as that would start the vomiting again.  (My teeth are now stained from the bile eating away at the enamel).  I also had to invest in "adult undergarments" since I would lose bladder control from the pressure and spasms of wretching.

At my worst, I alternated between:  wishing I had never gotten pregnant, pleading with God for the misery to end, begging my husband to kill me and desperately trying to keep down frozen carrot slices so that my babies could get SOMETHING.  I was about 110 lbs. when I became pregnant and at my HG peak, weighed 90.  By the end of my pregnancy, I was up to a whopping 127.

HG sucks all of the joy out of pregnancy.  There were many occassions when I was CONVINCED that the babies were trying to kill me.  I would lay on the sofa, stare at my belly and wait to die. What I find horrifying, is that my case of HG is probably not even one of the really bad ones.  Bad, yes... but by the middle of my second trimester I was off all medications and able to eat (albeit a  limited menu).  There are so many women out there who go through this condition throughout the entire pregnancy.  Some are even so severe that they must terminate the pregnancy in order to live.

I want to watch this show, to see what Ms. Quets has to say.  I'm also scared to watch it because I have a feeling that I'll be sobbing the whole show, remembering how horrible it all was, and knowing that if not for the support of my husband, family, and doctor, I could easily be where she is now.

I missed the show, but a friend told me about it.  At the time, I was home on the couch suffering from HG myself.  You are right in that HG truly takes the joy out of pregnancy.  I wanted a child more than anything, and was so excited when I found out I was pregnant.  However, within a week of having the pregnancy confirmed at the doctor's office, the vomiting had already started.  I would barely make it to work; and then sit at my desk with my head hanging over the trashcan all day.  Nobody knew of HG yet, and told me this was normal morning sickness.  I couldn't even imagine how women functioned with this while I could barely hold my head up.  Finally, I was diagnosed with HG and put on disability leave.  I usually say that with HG, my world as I knew it stopped.  The disease took over my whole life, and I could no longer function as before.  I moved to the couch because it was lower than the bed, and easier to roll over and use the trashcan than to get up.  I lost about 20 pounds.  I was too weak to stand and take a shower, and could not take a bath with IV lines and the Zofran pump attached.  At times, my husband literally rolled me in a chair down the hall just to use the bathroom.  When I did get up, I would become extremely nauseated and nearly black out. I ended up in the ER twice for dehydration, and eventually a home health agency came and hooked me up to IV fluids and a continuous Zofran pump in my leg.  I cried all the time, and was extremely angry with the circumstances.  I did not know how much longer I could go on this way.

 

Luckily, after about the sixth month, the nausea began to subside and I slowly begain to start eating again, and putting on some weight.  I'm now 7 1/2 months pregnant, and can pretty much eat whatever I want, but the nausea is still there.  I still take Zofran several times a week to help with that.  I feel so fortunate that I am getting my life back.  I can finally leave the house, run errands, and eat out.  However, I tire easily and battle the nausea often.  But I am so thankful to be better.  I completely feel for those women who must suffer through this for the entire nine months, as well as to a much worse degree than I did.  It is a nightmare for anyone to have to endure for any length of time.

 

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August 12, 2007, 11:17 pm PDT

Allison is still in the county jail

Is anyone still reading here?  Are producers alerted when a post appears in an archived discussion?

 

Allison Quets is still in the county jail, a facility for short term stays.  She was not given laundering facilities and was washing her underwear in the toilet....just another injustice for this poor mother.  Apparently, the laundry situation is fixed, but her ongoing stay at a short term facility has got to be frought with problems for her and for the staff there. 

 

The children remain in the physical custody of the Needhams, who have not since the start acted in their best interest. 

 

The more I read and research, the more I see clearly: something is very wrong with adoption law in this country.  When sick women are forced to sign papers, something is very wrong.  The judicial system is ignoring laws...it's disturbing to say the least.

 

Dr. Phil, will you do a show on the problems in the adoption system in the US?  It is so sad to see unethical attorneys getting away with selling children to the highest bidder.

 
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September 1, 2007, 1:45 am PDT

Hyperemesis Survivor - twice!

I too am a Hyperemesis survivor.  I only caught the last 15 minutes of this show but was nearly reduced to tears as I remembered my two pregnancies and felt for others that had suffered or were suffering from Hyperemesis.  My first pregnancy I was first admitted to hospital at 6 weeks when too dehydrated as not even a sip of water would stay down.  This was nearly 6 years ago now but the memory is still so vivid.  I was in and out of hospital till about 22 weeks and suffered at home till my daughter was eventually born 7 days late!!  I was only offered Maxalon and Stemetil in hospital and drip fed fluids but nothing seemed to help.  I talked to many medical professionals afterwards asking if it could happen to me again but was told that the medicines were now better and if I was unlucky enough to get it again that I would be better cared for.  This was not to be....  4 and a half years later after my first experience I was pregnant again.  A much wanted pregnancy but when hyperemesis once again hit I could think of nothing more than ending the pregnancy or taking my own life.  These thoughts were not normal for me.  Zophran was now available but like all the other drugs I had tried before it did very little.  This time I needed to be hospitalised for much longer and due to excessive weight loss was fed through the nose to the stomach.  Long term use of zophran caused severe constipation that caused my digestive tract to shut down (only way I know how to describe it as I did not go to the toilet for over 6 months!!).  This was a side effect that was only discovered long after damage had been done.   Frequent vomitting, migraines, headaches, nose bleeds, gums bleeding, hair loss, etc.  My boy was 8 days late and induced as never thought the nightmare would end.  Without the support of my family I would have never survived these pregnancies.  I can not imagine how Alison had the strength to survive the pregnancies as she didn't appear to have the family support I had.  If she had the support she may have been protected from making rash decisions.  Thank you Dr Phil for getting the word out there about this disease.  I am blessed with 2 beautiful children but I feel scarred by this experience and never want my daughter to suffer like I did.
 

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September 28, 2007, 8:05 am PDT

Very sad

This show aired in Australia today, and i was reduced to tears for Allison. She does NOT deserve to be in jail. She was bullied into giving her Children up for adoption. I seriously hope and pary that she is freed from jail ans is rightfully given her children back. I just feel so sorry for her, her poor babies need and should be with there Mother. I hope we see a happy follow up story on Dr Phil about this soon.
 
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October 17, 2007, 4:21 pm PDT

HG Survivor

My name is Karly and I am a two time survivor of HG.  When the show about HG was done on by the Dr. Phil show, I was actually on the mend from HG and was able to find hope again.  I am truly happy that HG has had some light shown on it, but I really feel that more must be done.  HG truly does affect the women and families of the women that suffer from HG.  I suffered with HG during both pregnancies, but I must say that the second time around was much harder.  I went from being a full-time working mom who never missed a moment with my 3 year old son or my husband, to literally being bed-ridden in the hospital, throwing up so much that I lost count, with a PICC Line in my left arm again.  What was even more heartbreaking was the reaction that my 3 year old had to me being sick which I think caused even more guilt and anxiety for me and made my HG even worse.  At one point, my doctors decided to have me isolated from visitors, including my husband and son to see if it would help my HG.  It was explained to me that with all of the medication that they were giving me to try and ease up my symptoms, that my body no longer was receptive to reacting to different emotions correctly, so even if I felt happy when I saw my husband, son and friends, my body was resonding in a negative way and my symptoms would instantly get worse.  I had to re-teach my mind and body to work together and function correctly.  I made it through, and gave birth to my second son this past May and my family and myself are still trying to cope and recover from the devastating affects that HG has had on us.  I find that I am easily stressed and worry all the time about my two children.  My son, bites his nails now, and begins to show signs of anxiety when he notices that I am not feeling well, and I know that it has to be the after affects of HG.

I really feel that it would be beneficial again for the Dr. Phil show to do another show on HG and focus on the affects during and after a woman has HG.  We need to keep doing what we can to get people to realize how devastating HG can really be.

 
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December 28, 2007, 9:11 am PST

It's so said

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Is anyone still reading here?  Are producers alerted when a post appears in an archived discussion?

 

Allison Quets is still in the county jail, a facility for short term stays.  She was not given laundering facilities and was washing her underwear in the toilet....just another injustice for this poor mother.  Apparently, the laundry situation is fixed, but her ongoing stay at a short term facility has got to be frought with problems for her and for the staff there. 

 

The children remain in the physical custody of the Needhams, who have not since the start acted in their best interest. 

 

The more I read and research, the more I see clearly: something is very wrong with adoption law in this country.  When sick women are forced to sign papers, something is very wrong.  The judicial system is ignoring laws...it's disturbing to say the least.

 

Dr. Phil, will you do a show on the problems in the adoption system in the US?  It is so sad to see unethical attorneys getting away with selling children to the highest bidder.

I live in the Netherlands, so we are a little behind on the show. I just saw it today.
What i was wondering, do the children see there mother? And are the Needhams telling the children what is going on, as far as you can explain in "children lenguage", because i think that (how young there may be) all children have also a voice and there own mind about things, do the Needhams even speak of Allison? And how can they live with themselves knowing what is going on? Iff i had an adoption, and i found out what was going on with the biological mother, then i would give the child back, as hard at it may sounds. And they had the children not for long, only a few months, they did'nt even bother to come on the Dr.Phil show, so i think this whole case stinks a lot!

I hope, and i will think of Allison every day, i do not have had this illnes, but what i saw, it's veryvery hard!!
To Allison: Keep up your fighting, in the end you will win, because you fight for your kids, an that is the most important thing!! Iff they grow older, they will understand what you did for them, that you put up a fight, not giving up hope!!
I hope that you will continue to keep up, and fight, be strong, and don't let them get to you!!!

With love, from a young mom in Holland.
 

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December 30, 2007, 8:45 pm PST

hello

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I live in the Netherlands, so we are a little behind on the show. I just saw it today.
What i was wondering, do the children see there mother? And are the Needhams telling the children what is going on, as far as you can explain in "children lenguage", because i think that (how young there may be) all children have also a voice and there own mind about things, do the Needhams even speak of Allison? And how can they live with themselves knowing what is going on? Iff i had an adoption, and i found out what was going on with the biological mother, then i would give the child back, as hard at it may sounds. And they had the children not for long, only a few months, they did'nt even bother to come on the Dr.Phil show, so i think this whole case stinks a lot!

I hope, and i will think of Allison every day, i do not have had this illnes, but what i saw, it's veryvery hard!!
To Allison: Keep up your fighting, in the end you will win, because you fight for your kids, an that is the most important thing!! Iff they grow older, they will understand what you did for them, that you put up a fight, not giving up hope!!
I hope that you will continue to keep up, and fight, be strong, and don't let them get to you!!!

With love, from a young mom in Holland.

Allison's attorney had her plea in September, and the sentencing was recent.  She got time served, probation, and fines.  It's all terrible if you ask me.  The Needhams hadn't even signed the papers or gotten the children when Allison said "no."  How sad is that?

 

I do not know if the Needhams have spoken with the children about Allison, only they would know that.

 

I agree. The whole case stinks.

 
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January 17, 2008, 7:24 pm PST

Another HG survivor

 I'm not sure if the producers still check this thread, but I just wanted to add as another HG survivor a huge THANK YOU for bringing some awareness to this issue.  It is not unusual for even health care workers to be unaware of HG.  When I was diagnosed during the 9th week of my pregnancy, the ER doctor had to read the diagnosis off of a peice of paper and mispronounced it.  My case, thankfully, was mild compared to many and responded to medication by the third trimester (only 3 hospitalizations and a very healthy baby).  Still, at it's worst stages I was vomiting bile every 20 minutes for several days and taking only IV fluids and medications.  I was finally able to rest after one very kind nurse found my writhing in pain from the lesions in my esophagus and insisted that the doctor give me demerol.  In addition to the physical devastation that I felt during my pregnancy, I suffered emotional damage due to lack of support from loved ones and health care providers.  It is my firm belief that if this illness were given more publicity, less ridicule would come to sufferers.  As it is, most people have not even heard of HG save those who have had it.  Again, to the Dr. Phil show - thank you.  I only hope you can devote another show to this HG to continue to promote awareness.
 
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January 27, 2008, 10:29 am PST

unbelievable

im watching the show and i am in disbelief at how you can put her behind bars when she is clearly not a criminal...she was very ill at the time she is the mother and if those were my kids i would definantly have done the same just like dr phil says in other shows i wouyld have gone out of my way.....and then some soreal situation ...well that is what she did fought for her children come on us give her her kids and get her out of jail what about when thosechildren are older and living their life in resent for not having their mother around because of this whole situation its disgusting to be facing 6 years in jail their her own kids and she has done nothing wrong in her life ............oh my gosh!

 
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